goody153 Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 Quote "He shall defend their ways, yet shall violate them. He will be their savior, yet they shall call him heretic. His name shall be Discord, yet they shall love him for it." Even Telsin mentions about Harmony becoming Discord like capital in one of her lines. Ohhh boy Scadrial is gonna in fun times. Also the epigraph saying so much irony of Discord is gonna helluvah interesting this is how you end an era with a big question Thoughts ? Theories ? 8
lacrossedeamon Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 I'm not sure the Terris prophecies are Scadrial specific but might actually be a more cosmere constant thing. Given that the contents of them has been tweaked over time there is some wiggle room. But they could also be seen as applying to Dalinar, Vasher, possibly others.
kenod Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 Turns out it's really an era 3 prophecy, of how they'll invent the internet, and the Path and earrings morph into a chat service. 8
CarTorSan he/him Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 I like this. I think Harmony is going to become Discord in Era 3. We'll see how that goes. 5 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said: Given that the contents of them has been tweaked over time there is some wiggle room. I'd bet this "Discord" part wasn't changed by Ruin, because he didn't even understand it, so he should've left it intact.
lacrossedeamon Posted November 20, 2022 Posted November 20, 2022 9 hours ago, CarTorSan said: I'd bet this "Discord" part wasn't changed by Ruin, because he didn't even understand it, so he should've left it intact. Source on this?
Rorzikel Posted November 24, 2022 Posted November 24, 2022 The chapter that epigraph was in was also the first chapter that Sazed ever appeared in. 2
SteelBagel Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 yeah, Harmony is definitely becoming Discord. Probably either in era 3, or between eras 2 & 3, but it only gets revealed that he did in era 2. He's already got his evil clone hanging out with him, it's not long now...
lacrossedeamon Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) The Shard's Intent was always Discord, it's just that the Vessel is fully succumbing to it's influence now. Puts the letter from Sazed in RoW in greater perspective. Edited December 2, 2022 by lacrossedeamon
Frustration Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, lacrossedeamon said: The Shard's Intent was always Discord, it's just that the Vessel is fully succumbing to it's influence now. Puts the letter from Sazed in RoW in greater perspective. That's not entirely the case Spoiler Argent When Sazed picked up the Shards of Preservation and Ruin, did he actively choose to be known as Harmony (instead of, for example, Balance, or Equilibrium, or Stability), or is there some Cosmeric law that says Preservation + Ruin = Harmony? Brandon Sanderson He chose the name, but in part because it FELT right to him. Argent Is this similar to how a Shard's "personality" overwrites the Shardholder's over time? Brandon Sanderson Similar, yes. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 17, 2015)
lacrossedeamon Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: That's not entirely the case Hide contents Argent When Sazed picked up the Shards of Preservation and Ruin, did he actively choose to be known as Harmony (instead of, for example, Balance, or Equilibrium, or Stability), or is there some Cosmeric law that says Preservation + Ruin = Harmony? Brandon Sanderson He chose the name, but in part because it FELT right to him. Argent Is this similar to how a Shard's "personality" overwrites the Shardholder's over time? Brandon Sanderson Similar, yes. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 17, 2015) Whether it felt right to him doesn't mean its necessarily the truth. Sazed stating the Ruin had ALWAYS been stronger implies never having actually been in Harmony.
Frustration Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 Just now, lacrossedeamon said: Whether it felt right to him doesn't mean its necessarily the truth. Sazed stating the Ruin had ALWAYS been stronger implies never having actually been in Harmony. It was Kelsier that said Ruin had always been stronger(TLM 486). And it felt right to Sazed because that's what the shard wanted.
lacrossedeamon Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: It was Kelsier that said Ruin had always been stronger(TLM 486). Don't have the novel in front of me at the moment but pretty sure it was Sazed thinking it. 4 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: And it felt right to Sazed because that's what the shard wanted. That's your interpretation of the WOB.
Frustration Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lacrossedeamon said: That's your interpretation of the WOB. What's yours? Edited December 2, 2022 by Ookla the Frustrated.
lacrossedeamon Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: What's yours? Wishful thinking. Rayse saying he is actually Passion probably felt right to him as well.
Isilel Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 4 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said: The Shard's Intent was always Discord, it's just that the Vessel is fully succumbing to it's influence now. One of the things that I enjoy about cosmere books is that future sight isn't set in stone - it works off probabilities, not certainties. Prophecies _can_ be circumvented, not just misunderstood. People have real agency, their decisions actually matter. We have already seen Shards "breaking bad" and will no doubt see more in SA, given Heraldic flashbacks planned for the second arc, whatever Cultivation is up to and, well, TOdium. But if it is all we see, it will become boring and repetitive. "Powers that man isn't meant to wield", yadda, yadda, ad nauseam. So I really hope that with Sazed and Harmony we'll get something different. And "Sixth of the Dusk", ironically, gives me hope. Because "The Ones Above" are clearly trying to work around some non-interference rule that feels very vintage Sazedian. IMHO, the future of Scadrial will be shaped by the tension between Sazed's "freedom of choice" stance and Kelsier's "pre-emptive defense" one.
lacrossedeamon Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 44 minutes ago, Isilel said: We have already seen Shards "breaking bad" and will no doubt see more in SA, given Heraldic flashbacks planned for the second arc, whatever Cultivation is up to and, well, TOdium. But if it is all we see, it will become boring and repetitive. "Powers that man isn't meant to wield", yadda, yadda, ad nauseam. So I really hope that with Sazed and Harmony we'll get something different. I do think Era 3 will deal with actually bringing Sazed's two intents into balance but I think from the get go they haven't. And I wouldn't say we really seen a "breaking bad" but already "broken bad" so exploring the actual process isn't repetitive.
Frustration Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 11 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said: Wishful thinking. Rayse saying he is actually Passion probably felt right to him as well. Odium is heavily related to Passion on some relevant level. Spoiler Valhalla Ruin and Odium, they both talked about their passion, and it was italicized both times. Would any other Shards talk about passion in that same italicized way? Brandon Sanderson Yes they would. Valhalla Would any of them not talk about it that way? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Excellent, good questions. Idaho Falls signing (July 21, 2018)
Bragtown Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 I think because there are two shards that Sazed holds, there is two possible intents available to him - Harmony and Discord. If he were to hold a third shard, perhaps there would be six possible intents?
lacrossedeamon Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 Possibly a lot more if you take into account scenarios where intent strength are all different order plus scenarios where some or all are tied.
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