QF60: The Parley for Elantris

[Quivil]

MehE!im sneaked up and poked Asri in the back of the head.

[JNV]

@The Unknown Novel if the kill is on the exe person will it say "was exectued and killed" or just not happen

depending on if heal shows or not we have roleblock complete inactive team or heal as options were at 5 2 now probably which might honety be better cause we just die instead of "oh guess were just doomed" 

If its inactive team then its Thaidakar and Bort this options less likely cause both hve technically been online Thaidakrs been popping off in other places Borts been on last 15 hours but not posting anything 

If its roleblocker you might want to claim now then we catch evil and if theres a healer they can protect you 

If its healer then you cant protect self so slightly risker you do the math yourself on if you want to die

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

Aw scud. That was an alignment scanner. Big implications for the distro. Kinda wish Xino had mentioned that. 

I mean on the plus side at least the elims dont get a useful role cause they arelady know alignment and stuff

9 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'll once again mention my suspicions of Mat. It felt like they were focussed on directing the kill, which an elim looking at a one vote margin for the exe might be concerned by. 

Ok so you said theyre too vote focused um yeah we only get two votes off ever (in world where elims actually got the kill off) theres no time for tied votes or floppy reasons or nonsense you gotta hit the ground running its go time if you flub its game over 

[Quivil]

Having gotten no reaction the first time, MehE!im poked Asri again. @JNV

[Experience he/him]

I blocked mat...

knew he was trying to pocket me.

Matrim

[Mat he/him]

And that's what I was waiting to post for

Experience is lying. I blocked him and was sitting on the results to see if anyone tried something with lylo being so soon. A fake result propels the 5-2 to 3-2 which is winnable depending on the roles of the elims, and Exp couldn't have known that the kill would fail anyway so that could have been the plan to begin with when the fakescan would have taken the game to 2-2, or a loss.

JNV can back up that I was holding out to post 'because because', this was it. We were talking in PMs before anyone posted.

I totally understand though if I get voted, I expected something like this to happen but I didn't expect it to be me :P. If you want, I'm cool with exeing me and KillRoleing Exp, or vice versa if that makes everyone feel better.

Edit:

42 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'll once again mention my suspicions of Mat. It felt like they were focussed on directing the kill, which an elim looking at a one vote margin for the exe might be concerned by. 

Again, ensuring an exe or caring about said exe has nothing to do with alignment on D1 when nothing is known. I was concerned about the 1 vote margin because I was in it.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Archer he/him]

Hm. Well I've narrowed it down to two options. :P. Little worried about Mat being on a three person elim team since they thought there was nine players. That'd make this exlo. 

JNV, can you corroborate and give flavor about what was said and when? 

[Mat he/him]

7 minutes ago, Archer said:

Hm. Well I've narrowed it down to two options. :P. Little worried about Mat being on a three person elim team since they thought there was nine players. That'd make this exlo. 

Go ahead and try to balance a 3-5 starting ratio, I'll wait :P.

[JNV]

22 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

JNV can back up that I was holding out to post 'because because', this was it. We were talking in PMs before anyone posted.

56 mins ago yeah I support I back up matrim all good on this end

12 minutes ago, Archer said:

JNV, can you corroborate and give flavor about what was said and when? 

See above for when as for what it was just a very very very very very very (infintity more verys) strong implication of important info didnt actually say the info also 3 people elim team makes no sense I know youre the mad paranoia guy but seriously 

Experience havee a nice day bad luck on your part I guess 

Oh Matrim were you told your action was successful same for Experience (if youre not allowed to share then hush hush but its relevant)

[Archer he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Go ahead and try to balance a 3-5 starting ratio, I'll wait :P.

Good point. The existence of an alignment scanner just has me spooked. 

The nice thing is the only reason either of you have to lie dichotomously is at least one of you is evil. So we're agreed Mat and Experience are our only options today, I hope. And killing either is better than a tie, so let's pad the margins on our consensus pick. 

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, JNV said:

Oh Matrim were you told your action was successful same for Experience (if youre not allowed to share then hush hush but its relevant)

I was, yes.

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, Experience said:

Knew he was trying to pocket me.

This resonates with me. So I'm torn here. Also, what're the odds that e!XP names Mat as the person they blocked. Then again, JNV, Mat called XP out in the PM by name, right? Short of Mat-JNV or Mat-XP collusion, an odd coincidence has occurred. Simplest explanation is probably XP failed to kill Mat and kept their attention on him because I like him as an NK choice. 

Good news is it's probably 2e:6v. Assuming two villagers die today, we're looking at 2e:4v, followed by 1e:3v which is exlo unless the NK is blocked or the elim is inactive. That's hopefully winnable, but honestly unless some clears make it through to that round I'll be tossing darts. 

Edit: Attention, kill role! Mat and XP have a strong incentive to kill each other tonight, should they wield the NK, so maybe, don't? Up to you, but remember we've a 50% chance of getting a lock villager out of this, which is a fabulous asset at exlo

Edited April 29, 2022 by Archer

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, JNV said:

@The Unknown Novel if the kill is on the exe person will it say "was exectued and killed" or just not happen

Executed and killed.

[Experience he/him]

I'm honestly not sure if this could possibly be a mat-jnv team. There's no way right?

I guess I should go read the rules at this point to see if there'd be any point in hammering this early.

[Experience he/him]

Double posting so it doesn't get lost. Should probably point out that there's an intermediary...they claim that they were told the roleblock was succesful

[Archer he/him]

4 hours ago, Experience said:

I'm honestly not sure if this could possibly be a mat-jnv team. There's no way right?

I guess I should go read the rules at this point to see if there'd be any point in hammering this early.

Sure, it's entirely possible because we haven't had enough discussion to solidify reads. It'd just be a bold play that's been well executed. 

4 hours ago, Experience said:

Double posting so it doesn't get lost. Should probably point out that there's an intermediary...they claim that they were told the roleblock was succesful

I'll assume it's not JNV, Mat, or myself, so... Tani, wanna corroborate? You're the only active option left. We need to judge your credibility against Mat's to make the right decision. XP has no reason to trust you fully, so they'll out you to save themselves soon anyway. 

Success of an action wording is something easily asked about in advance to prepare a lie so I put no stock in it. 

[Quivil]

I have heard nothing about this other than what was said in-thread.

Is the GM not an option? Isn't it usually the GM who tells people if their actions work or not?

Also, we have Mat and one witness against XP. We could lynch any one of them to try to figure out the alignments of the others. Honestly, I think it's best to lynch Mat first, because we have two lines of direct relation with Mat and only one line of direct relation with the other two.

So, for now, Mat. If this is a bad idea please stop me before I break everything something. 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Tani
one mislynch rn won't break everything. i think.

[Mat he/him]

1 hour ago, Tani said:

Honestly, I think it's best to lynch Mat first, because we have two lines of direct relation with Mat and only one line of direct relation with the other two.

So, for now, Mat. If this is a bad idea please stop me before I break everything something. 

Well, I know it’s a bad idea, and I can tell you that  Though if killing me first gets Exp anyway that’s alright with me

I was hoping to catch the whole team by holding out on revealing, because if Exp’s teammate had been the one to accuse me of submitting the kill, we’d know both. But they weren’t, so I only have a double witness against Exp.

Can you clarify your ‘direct relation’ thing? I don’t know what you’re referring to at all

Edited April 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Quivil]

It's like this: XP accused you, giving "proof". You accused XP, turning XP's "proof" back on him as a lie, and claimed JNV as a timeline witness. JNV confirmed their support. JNV and XP were never directly involved with each other - JNV didn't give "proof" against XP and XP didn't give "proof" against JNV. XP and JNV are only accusing each other because they're on opposite sides of the line you and XP drew in the sand.

You have a very nice line, Mat, and I like it, I just... am not sure if I should believe you right off the bat.

If you die because of me and flip vil, I will give you digital brownies as an Im-Sorry-Treat.

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, Tani said:

It's like this: XP accused you, giving "proof". You accused XP, turning XP's "proof" back on him as a lie, and claimed JNV as a timeline witness. JNV confirmed their support. JNV and XP were never directly involved with each other - JNV didn't give "proof" against XP and XP didn't give "proof" against JNV. XP and JNV are only accusing each other because they're on opposite sides of the line you and XP drew in the sand.

Wouldn’t that make me more credible to you, because I have a witness and Exp does not? This is fine enough reasoning if you assume JNV has to be my teammate if I flip elim, or that JNV is cleared when I flip village, but honestly I don’t think you could assume either of those. Exp’s teammate has some incentive to bus right now. 

[Quivil]

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

if you assume JNV has to be my teammate if I flip elim, or that JNV is cleared when I flip village

I'm assuming that JNV is either a teammate or pocketed. (ed1t: this is formatted as Mat/JNV:) V/V or E/E or E/V

But if you're village and XP's elim, JNV isn't elim because why would he do that? He doesn't know for sure all the tunnels people will dig, and it's a bad idea to try to get your one teammate killed.

This is my tunnel. No stealing my shovel.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Tani

[Archer he/him]

Point of order, XP claims to be relaying information from a the real roleblocker. So actually they're both part of a two person trust web. 

Thing is XP refuses to say who their source is... pocketed!XP dying for this doesn't directly lead to an elim flip because it's unclear if they were lied to by the source or we were lied to by Mat. Whereas if we kill XP's source, and the source corroborates their story, we're back to a guaranteed elim exe next round if this one flops

[Experience he/him]

Just now, Archer said:

Point of order, XP claims to be relaying information from a the real roleblocker. So actually they're both part of a two person trust web. 

Thing is XP refuses to say who their source is... pocketed!XP dying for this doesn't directly lead to an elim flip because it's unclear if they were lied to by the source or we were lied to by Mat. Whereas if we kill XP's source, and the source corroborates their story, we're back to a guaranteed elim exe next round if this one flops

I'm waiting on getting a question answered by TUN

thanks for your patience

[Mat he/him]

38 minutes ago, Tani said:

I'm assuming that JNV is either a teammate or pocketed. V/V or E/E or E/V

I mean, those are the only things we can be xD

38 minutes ago, Tani said:

But if you're village and XP's elim, JNV isn't elim because why would he do that? He doesn't know for sure all the tunnels people will dig, and it's a bad idea to try to get your one teammate killed.

This is my tunnel. No stealing my shovel.

e!JNV in this situation is less likely, sure, but voting Exp the way they did would give them a lot of credit (and indeed does). Technically the only vote that matters is the final one and we can’t know the final one until rollover. But really, idk the mind of elims, haven’t been one since May 2021 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Disregarding any ongoing animal themed games in which I may or may not be playing, of course)

It might be your tunnel but it’s my dirt you’re digging into :P.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Quivil]

27 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I mean, those are the only things we can be xD

check the edit

27 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

It might be your tunnel but it’s my dirt you’re digging into :P.

nono it's your castle wall I'm digging under. You only own the dirt on top of the ground.

31 minutes ago, Archer said:

Point of order, XP claims to be relaying information from a the real roleblocker. So actually they're both part of a two person trust web.

Oh, thanks.

 

In that case, we kill Mat, Mat flips (I'm thinking vil atm,) and XP either exposes their source or dies. If they expose their source after a vilflip it's an IKYK bc no "source" who doesn't want to be killed won't fight back. At that point, we either burn all our mislynches or flip a coin or something.

This is a problem. I don't think we have enough mislynches for this.

I changed my mind. XP please tell us your source.

[Experience he/him]

Fine.

There is no contact.

I'm suspicious of mat still, but he did bring up the point that there is a slight chance that it could be a thaid/ bort team who didn't submit a kill and we just both roleblocked each other. Still waiting on TUN to answer a question in pm to clear that up.

I was hoping to divert the elim kill to sombody else so I could continue to roleblock, but I can't do that now

Also that's not a very deep tunnel tani