Shard blades are about to become scarier. (SP #4)

[Rg2045]

So I listened to secret project 4 the other day and I was shocked by how auxiliary was still able to shape shift   dispite being “dead” so I started to think how this might be related to “freeing the dead eyes” that RoW set up with Adolin and shallan. And i started to connect distant dots that became scarier the more I thought about it. 

first: we don’t know if dead eyes can come back in a traditional sense. That being full restoration, free thinking and being able to bond those that they choose. 

second: the rosharian magic systems are vary powerful but are a bit limiting with the oaths that need to be spoken to access their full potential.

 
third: BAM capture really effected the spren in ways that were not anticipated. We don’t know the repercussions for releasing BAM and if it’s an actual good thing. (We have kalaks words but common. All the haralds are crazy) 

forth: we know that wile a bit limiting a person with a haralds blade is really dangerous especially because of the lack of oaths binding them to their power.  (Same with dead shard blade and plate) 

fifth: we know that shard blades (dead) are not always practical weapons. Example being when adolin killed sadeus  both didn’t go for their blades because they knew it would be a disadvantage.

 

using the above knowledge I think this is what’s going to happen. I think when BAM gets released their presents will “Zombify” the shard blades. They will become more practical honor blades ultimately. I don’t know if they’ll have access to surges but I can see a case being made for both ways. 
TLDR: I think that BAM release will make the (dead) shard blades now, honor blades 2.0 radiants without oaths 

[Frustration he/him]

Part of what is weird about Aux is that Sigzil used to have a Dawnshard, so we don't know if other "dead" spren would act like him.

[Rg2045]

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

Part of what is weird about Aux is that Sigzil used to have a Dawnshard, so we don't know if other "dead" spren would act like him.

I partially contributed the “other effects” a dawnshard interfered with 

1) the inability to fight of course, (seems that the oaths actually override this, that’s cool)

2) being able to use other invistagers (unsure now after RoW) 

3) being able to “connect” with the planet 

4) being able to “jump” across planets

 

but still I think that adolin is moving forward with what’s ultimately better for spren but we don’t know will be better for roshar 

[LewsTherinTelescope]

Moved to the Secret Project forum.

[Lunu’anaki he/him]

12 hours ago, Rg2045 said:

I partially contributed the “other effects” a dawnshard interfered with 

1) the inability to fight of course, (seems that the oaths actually override this, that’s cool)

2) being able to use other invistagers (unsure now after RoW) 

3) being able to “connect” with the planet 

4) being able to “jump” across planets

 

but still I think that adolin is moving forward with what’s ultimately better for spren but we don’t know will be better for roshar 

It's also quite possible that a significant change happens on Roshar that alters or changes the magic system prior to this AND Nomad has traveled more of the cosmere than potentially even Wit (at Wit's own account). So it's possible or even likely that he has access to more magic systems and that some things he can do have nothing to do with Aux.

[+ShardlessVessel]

On 08/04/2022 at 9:56 PM, Rg2045 said:

I was shocked by how auxiliary was still able to shape shift   dispite being “dead”

I'll have to look for the quote, but I'm pretty sure that Maya transforms (in a small way) to help Adolin in Oathbringer.

[Frustration he/him]

1 hour ago, ShardlessVessel said:

I'll have to look for the quote, but I'm pretty sure that Maya transforms (in a small way) to help Adolin in Oathbringer.

No, Adolin was just able to summon her in less than ten heartbeats.

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

20 hours ago, Lunu’anaki said:

It's also quite possible that a significant change happens on Roshar that alters or changes the magic system prior to this AND Nomad has traveled more of the cosmere than potentially even Wit (at Wit's own account). So it's possible or even likely that he has access to more magic systems and that some things he can do have nothing to do with Aux.

Wit has actually traveled more than Nomad.

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College_advice12

Wit claims Nomad has seen more of the [Cosmere] than him, is this assessment accurate? How has Nomad seen so much in comparison considering their ages?

Brandon Sanderson

No, he hasn't. But, he's been running from the Night Brigade for a long time, so he's been on a lot of, lot of planets. Hoid has actually seen more, but Sigzil at this point is up there. Probably top 5 for number of planets in the Cosmere visited. So, so while he's not...Hoid is...perhaps deliberately underestimating his own breadth of experience, Sigzil's is up there.

Secret Project #4 Reveal and Livestream (March 29, 2022)

 

[+ShardlessVessel]

2 hours ago, Frustration said:

No, Adolin was just able to summon her in less than ten heartbeats.

I couldn't find the scene yet, anyhow. Probably confused it for Shallan in the chasms.

[LewsTherinTelescope]

6 hours ago, Frustration said:

No, Adolin was just able to summon her in less than ten heartbeats.

There's a mention by Moash that he's relatively certain that there's some very subtle changes to the balance and such depending on the circumstance, which I'm guessing may be what @ShardlessVesselis thinking of?

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“I saw Prince Adolin throw his Blade,” Vyre said. “Three months ago, on the battlefield in northern Jah Keved. He is no Radiant, yet his Blade responds to him as if he were one.…”

“Maybe it was just a lucky throw.”

Vyre threw his Blade again. It clanged uselessly off his target. He narrowed his eyes, then dismissed it into a puff of mist.

“No,” Vyre said. “He must be able to change the balance to allow for this maneuver. And it returned to him faster than ten heartbeats, even accounting for the accelerated pulse of battle.”

 

[Rg2045]

13 hours ago, ShardlessVessel said:

I couldn't find the scene yet, anyhow. Probably confused it for Shallan in the chasms.

It’s in oathbringer in the final battle when adolin is about to die  he begs maya to come to him quicker and she appears in 7 heart beats instead of 10. 

[+ShardlessVessel]

9 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

There's a mention by Moash that he's relatively certain that there's some very subtle changes to the balance and such depending on the circumstance, which I'm guessing may be what @ShardlessVesselis thinking of?

 

 

54 minutes ago, Rg2045 said:

It’s in oathbringer in the final battle when adolin is about to die  he begs maya to come to him quicker and she appears in 7 heart beats instead of 10. 

No, the quote I probably won't find because it's probably not in the books and I'm misremembering involves Adolin needing Maya to be smaller so he can use her in a cramped space. I'm probably confusing it for when Shallan needed Pattern/Testament to shrink so she could cut handholds for climbing the chasms:

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She started climbing them. Standing on one and clinging to the highest one, she summoned the Blade again and tried to cut a step even higher, but the thing was just so blasted long. Obligingly, it shrank in her hand to the size of a much shorter sword, really a big knife.

Words of Radiance, Part Four, Chapter 72

I've been ctrl-F-ing my Kindle copy but haven't managed to find the Adolin quote yet; it probably doesn't exist.

In times like these I wish I were an Archivist. Memory is so unreliable.

My final conclusion: I retract my previous claim; we have not yet seen a deadeye Blade change shape except for Auxiliary, who is a can of worms in itself.

[Rg2045]

1 hour ago, ShardlessVessel said:

 

No, the quote I probably won't find because it's probably not in the books and I'm misremembering involves Adolin needing Maya to be smaller so he can use her in a cramped space. I'm probably confusing it for when Shallan needed Pattern/Testament to shrink so she could cut handholds for climbing the chasms:

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She started climbing them. Standing on one and clinging to the highest one, she summoned the Blade again and tried to cut a step even higher, but the thing was just so blasted long. Obligingly, it shrank in her hand to the size of a much shorter sword, really a big knife.

Words of Radiance, Part Four, Chapter 72

I've been ctrl-F-ing my Kindle copy but haven't managed to find the Adolin quote yet; it probably doesn't exist.

In times like these I wish I were an Archivist. Memory is so unreliable.

My final conclusion: I retract my previous claim; we have not yet seen a deadeye Blade change shape except for Auxiliary, who is a can of worms in itself.

Well there is WoB that dead shardblades actually transform over a period of time especially when they have a long time owner

[Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him]

I assume BAM's release will be responsible for spren no longer being Dead Eye period, broken oaths or not. 

 

And it seems that Sigzil's Oaths aren't quite as broken in that preview as he and his spren seem to think based on his ability to call Aux as a blade