PewterKrogan Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Ok I have had this stuck in my head for a while and I have searched our several things trying to figure out if it's just a coincidence, or if Brandon purposely put a correlation between the damage the shades of hel do to the people they touch and the damage Nightblood does to the individual wielding them. My biggest question is we know silver reduced the damage done by a shade, and we know eventually it will have a larger roll in the cosmere, but do we think it could reduce the damage Nightblood does to the person who draws it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol he/him Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) Good catch! I dont think its coincedental. I noticed the shades similarity to Nightblood too and have unsuccessfully been looking for an answer for years lol... the best ive come up with is that both Shades and Nightblood drain the people they feed on.... which i think we all knew already XD Threnody is kind if special and weird, and it makes me think that using silver on Shades and to reverse shade damadge might be unique. i dont think weve seen nightblood interact with silver at all have we? Even while drawn. Edited January 7, 2022 by Eternal Khol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) No I don't think we have seen nightblood interact directly with silver, or another shard blade for that matter yet. But my thought process is kinda like would wearing silver rings reduce the damage it does? and you might be right, silver might only have that affect on threnody because if the investment on the planet. I have so many questions about how Nightblood interacts with things... But so few answers LoL Edited January 7, 2022 by PewterKrogan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 well we do know that there is a sheath for night blood, we just dont have it described. could it be silver? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 I am pretty sure nightbloods scabbard is aluminum... But it could be a misdirection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trusk'our he/him Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 hours ago, PewterKrogan said: Ok I have had this stuck in my head for a while and I have searched our several things trying to figure out if it's just a coincidence, or if Brandon purposely put a correlation between the damage the shades of hel do to the people they touch and the damage Nightblood does to the individual wielding them. My biggest question is we know silver reduced the damage done by a shade, and we know eventually it will have a larger roll in the cosmere, but do we think it could reduce the damage Nightblood does to the person who draws it? I'm pretty sure that the corrilation between Nightblood and the shades of Threnody are coincidence. The shades work by corrupting the investiture within you, Nightblood works by devouring it and turning it into more of itself. However, there does seem to be some kind of correlation between Ruin and Nightblood, Quote Walin Does Nightblood contain any of Ruin's Investiture? Like, not atium, but... Brandon Sanderson Yes, technically; and I'm not wiggling around that, because technically, location in the Cosmere and who belongs to what gets really weird, right? Because Ruin's Investiture is everywhere--but I'm not talking that way. I'm talking the way you actually mean it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 So they both consume your natural investment, night blood is pulling it into himself, and the shades are "consuming" it as well just not as violently. Seems pretty similar to me. But I see your point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 I think the correlation comes from corrupted investiture, which Nightblood probably has and shades almost certainly have. I believe that Nightblood works by corrupting investiture (commonly from souls) and eating it, and the shades work by corrupting the spiritweb, perhaps eating some of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, Nameless said: I think the correlation comes from corrupted investiture, which Nightblood probably has and shades almost certainly have. I believe that Nightblood works by corrupting investiture (commonly from souls) and eating it, and the shades work by corrupting the spiritweb, perhaps eating some of it. So does silver purify investiture then? Is that why it damages shades and lessens the damage done by them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, PewterKrogan said: So does silver purify investiture then? Is that why it damages shades and lessens the damage done by them? Your guess is as good as mine. From the WoB’s I looked up, Brandon hasn’t given any alternate uses for silver, although he has said that it has role in the Cosmere Quote Questioner In Mistborn, silver doesn’t play a role. But then in Shadows for Silence, silver does play a role... Brandon Sanderson It does. I still wanted silver to be part of the Cosmere. Questioner But we’ll never see it in Scadrial? Brandon Sanderson It does not, as they understand currently, interact with Allomancy, with the three Metallurgic Arts. Silver does have a Cosmere role. Boskone 54 (Feb. 18, 2017) What that Cosmere role is, I have no idea Edited January 8, 2022 by Nameless 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 Shades are really weird because, while they wither you, they also seem to Invest you, since they make you hang around as a Shadow... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 well, to answer your question @Nameless I think I know. shades are cognitive shadows that have been as they die highly invested with a combination of Odium's and Ambition's powers that were left behind in the spiritual realm and the cognitive, as it has been mentioned that there is a wound upon the cognitive realm. so if they are cognitive shadows which I believe to be true, cognitive shadows can be killed by silver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 So maybe silver doesn't purify investiture as much as it just pushes it to the beyond? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, PewterKrogan said: So maybe silver doesn't purify investiture as much as it just pushes it to the beyond? ye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewterKrogan Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 So Aluminum blocks investment, but silver moves it onward... Does that mean enough silver could push the DOR into the cognitive realm and make it safe to travel to Sell again? Sorry so many questions... LoL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 11:46 AM, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: well, to answer your question @Nameless I think I know. shades are cognitive shadows that have been as they die highly invested with a combination of Odium's and Ambition's powers that were left behind in the spiritual realm and the cognitive, as it has been mentioned that there is a wound upon the cognitive realm. so if they are cognitive shadows which I believe to be true, cognitive shadows can be killed by silver. The thing is, someone would have noticed that, particularly on Roshar, where cognitive entities such as spren are extremely common. Considering that scholars like Raboniel have searched for a way to kill spren, the ancient Radiants doubtless tried to figure out how to kill the fused, and Honor thought that the oathpact was a good solution, I think that it is highly unlikely that silver affects every cognitive shade. If not for that WoB, I would have said that silver affecting shades was just a quirk of Threnody's magic system, and maybe it is. If shades or threnodite magic systems have Cosmere roles, then silver will probably be part of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 9:46 AM, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: as it has been mentioned that there is a wound upon the cognitive realm Spiritual realm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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