RShara Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I hope the title isn't too spoilery! Anyway the Diagram--did anyone else feel like it was a nod toward Isaac Asimov and psychohistory? And the Ghostbloods like the Second Foundation, trying to keep it on course? Can't wait to see what else he predicts. I wonder why Dalinar suing for peace means he has to be killed. Is it because of what's already happened (Parshendi betrayal) or something yet to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I hope the title isn't too spoilery! Anyway the Diagram--did anyone else feel like it was a nod toward Isaac Asimov and psychohistory? And the Ghostbloods like the Second Foundation, trying to keep it on course? Can't wait to see what else he predicts. I wonder why Dalinar suing for peace means he has to be killed. Is it because of what's already happened (Parshendi betrayal) or something yet to come? There's another piece that says they need the Alethi to kill the Parshendi off to stave off the Everstorm. I'd assume that's why. But ti didn't take into account that the war would push the Parshendi to Stormform when they didn't want their gods back... There are numerous flaws in the diagram, based around the fact that Taravangian seems to go full sociopath while Sherlockian Supersmart, and thus misses things like people trying not to destroy the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense? I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me. I shy back. Impossible. Is it? - From the Diagram, West Wall Psalm of Wonders: paragraph 8 (Notew by Adrotagia: Could this refer to Mraize?) I'm thinking this refers to Hoid. I wish we could get hold of the entire Diagram 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I totally think it is a Foundation reference. Brandon has said he really liked the Foundation Trilogy (I don't know if he's read the others), so I think it is likely. I also agree that epigraph could totally refer to Hoid. Though, Mraize is surely a Worldhopper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Or Zahel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Or Zahel Zahel is someone you have seen before I think Wanderer fits most with Hoid, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Yeah, Zahel has obviously traveled some long distances, but Hoid really gets places, and fits more with the unpredictable implications of the quote. For one thing, you never know what he's going to say next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Radagu Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I also got Foundation-y vibes from the diagram. My favorite part about the diagram is the transcription, specifically, all of the "books" we see in the epigraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I love the names they assigned to the phrases. Hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Yeah, I absolutely loved that. WORSHIP THE DESK DRAWER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsuoni Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I still want to read "The Revelations of the Chamber Pot, rotation 13" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Wisdom from a smear of Jam (Truthberry Jam of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I hope the title isn't too spoilery! Anyway the Diagram--did anyone else feel like it was a nod toward Isaac Asimov and psychohistory? And the Ghostbloods like the Second Foundation, trying to keep it on course? Can't wait to see what else he predicts. I wonder why Dalinar suing for peace means he has to be killed. Is it because of what's already happened (Parshendi betrayal) or something yet to come? It's worth noting that the Ghostbloods are probably not the people who know about the diagram. I think they're a different society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortez Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I don't think the Ghostbloods are linked to Taravangian's Diagramists. Their goals are similar but their methods and objectives are somewhat different. For example they seem to be focused on removing Amaram and stopping the Men of Honour and are unconcerned with Dalinar and the neo-radiants, on the other hand the Diagramist assassin Graves seems to be extremely concerned when Kaladin says the 3rd Ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I wonder what the title for some code he put a little bit of on each wall, using it's position as part of the key, would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 IMO, the most interesting Diagram quote is this one from the chapter 86 header - "One is almost certainly a traitor to the oth-" You've got the writings of, well, let's be blunt, a man who's so intelligent that he's effectively insane. And in the middle of his writing, he suddenly cuts off. Why? Also, the Diagram segment that appears to talk about the Shins' hidden Honorblades also seems to strongly suggest (at least to me) that the Diagram suggested manipulating events to bring about the creation of a Truthless. Or in other words, Taravangian may very well be responsible for the creation of Szeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 IMO, the most interesting Diagram quote is this one from the chapter 86 header - "One is almost certainly a traitor to the oth-" You've got the writings of, well, let's be blunt, a man who's so intelligent that he's effectively insane. And in the middle of his writing, he suddenly cuts off. Why? Also, the Diagram segment that appears to talk about the Shins' hidden Honorblades also seems to strongly suggest (at least to me) that the Diagram suggested manipulating events to bring about the creation of a Truthless. Or in other words, Taravangian may very well be responsible for the creation of Szeth. It doesn't cut off in the Kindle version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) It doesn't cut off in the Kindle version... Interesting. It does in the Nook version. I would have thought that they'd be identical. It's positioned in such a way that the hyphen could be a line break, but there's nothing further. "One is almost certainly a traitor to the oth- - From the Diagram, Book of the 2nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 27" Edited March 5, 2014 by junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondMind Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 It's complete in the hardcover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I've added it to the typo thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 ? Can't wait to see what else he predicts. I wonder why Dalinar suing for peace means he has to be killed. Is it because of what's already happened (Parshendi betrayal) or something yet to come? I believe it says if he sues for peace it would mean Dalinar would become a rival to Mr. T's quest to become King of Everything so he would need to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I saw that but it kinda doesn't make a lot of sense. Dalinar is probably a better leader, and at least has a consistent intelligence than Mr. T. I wonder how T-Centric the Diagram is... lol...Given that the more "brilliant" he is, the less common sense he seems to have, I think he has a really big blind spot on who would be best to lead the nations of Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Really hope is not Shallan the traitor... but don't see who else can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Really hope is not Shallan the traitor... but don't see who else can be I was thinking that it might be Adolin; Sadeas' death was brutal and done out of pure hatred. I know she may or may not be working with the Ghostbloods now, but it seems like everyone's primary goal should be surviving the Everstorm the next time it comes around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I was thinking that it might be Adolin; Sadeas' death was brutal and done out of pure hatred. I know she may or may not be working with the Ghostbloods now, but it seems like everyone's primary goal should be surviving the Everstorm the next time it comes around. Even so, I think Sadeas would probably still have been alive at the end if he hadn't started spouting his absurd conspiracy theory regarding Dalinar and the Parshendi. I think what finally pushed Adolin over the edge was the recognition that Sadeas himself had already gone over that edge. Sadeas's lust for power made it impossible for him to accept that Dalinar was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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