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  1. Top right of the timeline, not the whole page. Sorry, probably could have worded that better!
  2. Last year we announced our Interactive Map and Timeline of Roshar. With Rhythm of War now one year old, we're here today to announce a major update! We have expanded the timeline to include events for the entirety of Dawnshard and Rhythm of War, and we've added a few other new features that will be explained below. For a general overview, if you are unfamiliar with the project, see our previous announcement and this trailer. We hope that this map and timeline continues to be a useful tool for refreshing yourself on the books or simply exploring the world of Roshar! You can visit the Interactive Map and Timeline of Roshar at! New Features Events have been updated to include Dawnshard and Rhythm of War. Some previously existing events on the timeline have been updated for improved accuracy based on new information from the latest books. Search: You can now search events, locations, characters, and more! This feature can be found in the top-right corner next to the settings menu button. Measurements: We consulted the royal cartographer Isasik Shulin and did the math! Accessible from the compass-looking button to the top right of the timeline, you may now measure distances across Roshar and get coordinates for any location on the continent. As a bonus, the graticule we draw on the map should now be more accurate, too! Spoiler Filters: The book filters, under settings, have been reworked to act as spoiler filters! You can now disable events for any books you haven't read, preventing them from appearing on the timeline. Note that those events will still appear under 'Related Events' on the detailed view of locations or characters, however. Sharing: While we don't exactly have Spanreed technology, there are now easily accessible sharing buttons in the details views of everything you can view on the map and timeline! Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Tumblr are supported by default, but on supported devices such phones, you can use any available sharing option. Updated Shadesmar Map: We found a perpendicularity and had the chance to explore Roshar's Cognitive subastral! The map of Shadesmar has been updated with some of the locations we know so far. If you have any issues using the map or suggestions for us, feel free to comment here, use our feedback thread, or approach us on Discord. If you want to support what we do, including projects like this, find us on Patreon! Thanks, and enjoy!
  3. Rafe implied we will get it as a flashback in his Reddit AMA. It was among a few questions where people said "why did you cut X?" and his cheeky response was a simple "Did we?"
  4. Episode 4 was the best one yet, and the biggest divergence from the books. Just guess to show that book "faithfulness" isn't always best. The books do several things better, that a TV show simply can't do. But its easily doing some things better. I think there's room for improvement, but for the most part this show just keeps getting better.
  5. I've read the books a few times and I'm LOVING it. Others have mentioned how Brandon said you should view the show as "another turning of the wheel". My personal mindset is... how can anybody not see EVERY adaptation through that lens? What are people expecting? I mean even if you think that a show COULD and SHOULD be adapted as closely to the books as possible (both of those points being debatable in my opinion)... How could you possibly believe, practically speaking, that it won't be changed? It's foolish to open up any adaptation, in my opinion, prior to checking your expectations. For example, I'll pick on some of @Hoiditthroughthegrapevine's WTF points. (this is vague book spoilers and show episode 1 spoilers) Most of the complaints I see are just baffling to me. I've seen long arguments over things like... the design of Tam's sword not being book-perfect, and I just don't get it. I'm a HUUUUUGE fan of these books, but things like this just don't bother me. It comes across as hyperfixation to me, I guess. I feel like the show is doing nearly as good a job as I ever could have expected. I certainly have gripes that I'm happy to talk about (as I do with the books themselves). But those gripes are a reason to give it 4/5 stars... not 2/5 stars.
  6. Yeah, using it on the current site design is just a temporary-ish necessity. We didnt want to hold up the logos for a year while we try to get our act together on a forum redesign.
  7. Hey everyone! The Keepers of the Coppermind have a few quick announcements for you! If you haven't heard, this is a particularly special month: it's NaCoWriMo! You heard me, it's National Novel Coppermind Writing Month! That's a thing, right? Well, maybe you've got a friend participating in NaNoWriMo (for those of you taking that challenge, our hats are off to you!)... But say writing a 50 thousand word novel in one month isn't really your thing? We're here for you with a wiki-editing challenge! On the Coppermind we think more in terms of "bytes" rather than words, so anyone who contributes 30 thousand bytes (roughly three thousand words) in the month of November will get a super special NaCoWriMo award! Never helped edit the Coppermind wiki before? Have no fear! Editing the wiki is open to everyone because we are always thankful for any help you can give! And it's easy to get started on! There's a whole team of people on our Discord server who are more than happy to help you find an article you're interested in improving, to fix some tricky bit of formatting, or to answer any other question you may have. Fixing mistakes is easy. Your contributions are invaluable to us, and the best way to learn is through experience! To facilitate the NaCoWriMo effort, we've overhauled the Coppermind Claims spreadsheet. It's now easier than ever for you to hop over and claim an article (or just a section) that you want to help out with! As always, we recommend that you stop by our Discord server if you'd like to add something to the list because coordination goes a long way. Joining Discord is easy, so don't skip it! That should be it for now. We've got a small surprise coming in the next few days, as well as a batch of Skyward-related objectives to tackle in December. Keep an eye out for more details!
  8. Ah, sorry I was responding to this way too late last night. Yeah, we know that north is up on the map. I'm sure there's dozens of similar references, but the easiest one off the top of my head is that there are tons of references the Terris mountains are in the north. The Elendel map has no compass rose of course, and it's possible that Sazed rotated it around... Well.. actually, I guess we probably do have some direction references in Era 2... Yep, the bay adjacent to Elendel is described as being to the west. He still may have shifted the continent around, but apparently didn't rotate it (at least not significantly). Good question. I guess my instinct is to imagine maps like this where things just fade away. (but to a greater extent) Maybe a bit of best-guess extrapolation in some cases. They have enough technology to know the size of the planet, if Sazed didn't spell it out in the Words of Founding, so I think they should know where the Elendel Basin sits on the globe. They just apparently haven't had incentive to fill in the rest. I certainly imagine that maps like this of just the Elendel Basin (maybe also with the Roughs) are far far far more common than mostly-empty world maps.
  9. Familiar to Brandon. And we're talking further north than 60. (I think it was up near 70 for the Roughs?) The latitude isn't weird, but it's certainly weird (on our Earth) for somewhere at those latitudes having mild winters. Not sure about the directions. I would assume the compass is trustworthy, but the dominances ARE named oddly, knowing the directions they're supposed to be in. I don't THINK they'd do that with Elendel and Luthadel, but its wild enough that I'm not sure how I'd argue against it. XD Who knows, maybe.
  10. I don't disagree that what they're using is confusing. This is all guesswork and assumptions. I just think 192 is a more logical number than 160. Being able take clean fractions of a circle is very useful. 192 presumes less error in the map and less deviation from the size of Earth. Just my opinion though. I'd certainly like to ask Isaac. As for Antarctica being forested a few million years ago... Sure. Like I said, I agree we can make it work with Elendel at a more extreme latitude if we want. I'm just extremely skeptical that this is what Brandon has in mind. I think Brandon is writing a story that takes place at familiar latitudes. Maybe not... But I'm personally going to need a WoB or evidence to the contrary before I go a different direction with my assumptions. I would guess it's more likely that Isaac just made up the numbers, if anything. I don't follow the question on units. There are extremely practical mathematical reasons for using angular measurements on a globe. (and again, an alternative wanders into the realm of me being extremely skeptical Brandon is doing something highly unconventional for no particular reason) Furthermore, I'd say the changing distance between lines of longitude is a pretty clear indicator that this is what we're looking at. As for using arc lengths like you describe, that's effectively the same thing as an angular measurement, for a given radius. In any case 256 divisions of any kind just doesn't really work. 256 of the divisions shown--at the scale shown--yields a planet much larger than Earth (or else implies the map is highly inaccurate). I don't believe either either intended.
  11. I think the reason to use 12 over 10 is one of practicality rather than cultural. Twelve is a very convenient number while 10 is very inconvenient. Other than having ten fingers and ten toes, ten is really an awkward number unless you're using a base ten number system. (which they aren't) Twelve was used in a lot of old number and measuring systems specifically for this reason. (like 12 inches in a foot) It's also at the extreme ends of my error range, implying Scadrial is a good bit smaller than Earth or the map accuracy is really poor--and I'm just skeptical that's the intent I guess. (to be fair, very possible they just didn't look into these details so extensively... I think they gave it SOME thought though because it would have been easy to leave those latitude/longitude lines off the map or leave them unnumbered) But I would agree well enough to say that 160 makes the most sense after 196, to me. With regard to Brgst13's question, if you go with 160 that's still pretty far north... Elendel up at 61 degrees north or so, just north of Oslo. Maaaaybe it's actually that far north... and Scadrial has less tilt, and an ocean current keeps the area warm... Also, great point about how the lack of a moon is a rather glaring difference from Earth. It's very possible I'm taking my insistence on comparing it to Earth too far. But... I dunno... Note that the area of the Roughs where Wax lived is up at 70 degrees North (using 160). I don't get the sense the climate up there is supposed to be more "arctic" either. This ALL just feels to me like a big stretch. The idea of Elendel being so far north I mean, with lots of little arguments to explain the problems away. My read of the books is that Elendel is simply down in the 30-40 degrees North range on a planet similar to 20th century Earth (geologically). Maaaaybe up to 50 degrees with a favorable current coming from the ocean, like Europe enjoys. But that's just my gut feeling... It seems rather odd to me that their latitude numbering would start somewhere more arbitrary than the North pole... but I agree that it's plausible, and it would certainly put us into latitudes that FEEL more right. Hard to guess what the basis might be though, if it's something like this. I guess I still feel like the most likely situation is that these are implicitly a second set of 16. So... Okay, presuming they use a 16-based number for degrees really helps here. Let's say they use 192 "degrees" in a circle. That means 48 degrees of latitude from the equator to the poles, which is three 16s. Maybe the upper 16 is "arctic" (60-90 degrees), the lower 16 is "tropic" (0-30 degrees), and in between you have the middle latitudes (30-60). If this is the case, I feel like it would be very reasonable for them to number each set of latitudes separately. Not terribly different from the way we count 0-90 north and south separately rather than numbering 0-180 from one pole to the other. They'd have a way to note which set of latitudes they're talking about of course, but in a map like this where the context is clear there would be no need. And that puts the whole map of the Elendel Basin between... 34 degrees north and 43 degrees north, with Elendel around 36 degrees North. (North Carolina, central California) That feels really reasonable and fitting to me. (Oh, by the way, I did notice that the map of Elendel itself says it is also by the Canton of Cartography, and it's dated to year 341, so I think it's very safe to say the map itself isn't older. But I think it's reasonable to imagine they would use an older numeral system in some contexts. Sort of like using Roman Numerals in modern times. It probably lends the map a sense of gravitas.)
  12. I think they would have enough technology to determine longitude pretty well? I'm willing to bet their knowledge Scadrial comes via Sazed in the Words of Founding, but that's just speculation. Yeah, I think I mentioned this in the post. There was a bit of variation--seems like maybe up to 5 pixels in one case, though most were the same measurement, or within 2 pixels of it. There's definitely room for a few more percentage points of error there. Not enough to change the premise of the main mystery though, I think. Brandon has reiterated time and time again that Scadrial is very Earth-like, so I think we need to assume it's effectively the same circumference as Earth and that a Scadrian mile is effectively the same as our mile. With my measurement of 135 miles between "Scadrian degrees" (two lines of latitude), that gives 184 Scadrian degrees. As you pointed out... there's... I dunno, let's say a cumulative potential error of 10%? So we're looking at between 165 Scadrian degrees and 203 Scadrian degrees? @Oltux72 pointed out they're using base-16 (at least in Era 2), and it's probably more likely that they're using a factor of 16 than 10. So assuming my wild guess on potential error is correct, maybe they're using anywhere from 16*10=160 to 16*13=208 degrees in a circle? I don't think Oltux is right that it could be 256 as that's well outside the error range I'm guessing. The map would have to be extremely amateurish to have that much error in the scale and lines of latitude as they're drawn... I suppose my personal guess would be that they're using 16*12= 192 degrees in a circle. It's on the high end of my assumed error, but it's not unreasonable. 12 is a nice number with a lot of factors. You can divide up a 192 degree circle, with prime factors of 2^6 and 3. So if it's 196 Scadrian degrees in a circle, Elendel at 12.5 Scadrian degrees down from the north pole is the equivalent of 67 degrees north. So... just over the arctic circle. Doesn't help much. I don't think that's safe to assume. It's a reasonable assumption, but it's easy enough to imagine that the term persists into contemporary Scadrial. We haven't seen the word used in Era 2 like this, but that's not evidence to the contrary. I think it's just as reasonable to imagine they are just use an older style of numbering, for example. Lots of natural, cultural reasons. After all, the map uses lerasium and that's no less of a mystery to the Scadrians in the early post-Catacendre days than the metals Sazed alluded to. It's not just a climate issue. At the arctic circle there's a point in the year where the sun doesn't rise/set. It's possible Scadrial is less tilted than Earth and the arctic circle is higher... This is getting pretty weird though, and Brandon has always seemed very emphatic to me that Scadrial is VERY similar to Earth. Unless we get evidence to support something like this, I'm very hesitant to believe it.
  13. It occurred to me today that the Elendel Basin map has a graticule on it... and we know that it maps onto the larger Final Empire map... And I don't think I've ever seen anyone do anything with that info. (If you're aware of somebody who has tried to do this, let me know!) I started to hail @Otto Didact and beg for him to do something with it, but I figured I'd take a stab at it myself first Here's the Elendel Basin overlayed on the map of the Final Empire. If it's news to you that they fit like this, I was not the one to figure this out. You can find several images of this overlay online. But I think I'm the first person to do it since we got a proper, high quality electronic upload of the Final Empire map on Brandon's website earlier this month. For the most part the match between these maps is dead on, but note the overlay isn't perfect at the northern edge of the coastline. Sazed must of made SOME adjustments beyond the Elendel Basin. (I mean, beyond raising the mountains around the edges of the Basin, tinkering with rivers, leveling the ashmounts, etc. etc.) Anyways, the fun thing I wanted to look at is the fact that the Elendel Basin map shows coordinates! So, if we make the big assumption that these maps are using the same projection, we can extend the Elendel Basin coordinates to the Final Empire map. It's not a terrible assumption, because the maps obviously fit very well ... But the Final Empire map is a lot bigger, so it's entirely possible that there's error with the overlay that's just too small to see at that scale, and the further we get away from the basin is compounds significantly. Generally, I think Brandon and his team prefer these maps to be intuitive, so I'm guessing the projections aren't terribly different. Longitude on the map seems to be quite simple. The numbers at the top of the page, from left to right, read "1, 0, 1, 2, 3" with the 0 longitude passing through Elendel. (Steel alphabet for reference) Obvoiusly they're using the longitude of Elendel as their prime meridian. But what's the interval exactly? I was going to guess that each of these is one degree, but the map also gives us a scale at the top left. I've measured the 100 mile scale to be 149 pixels. If I measure the distance between latitudes (which should be constant at all latitudes) I get something a little over 200 pixels (they vary slightly, which I take to be imprecision in the artwork). This means the lines of latitude are showing about 135 miles each. Now, Scadrial is supposed to be Earth, more or less. I think we can assume their miles are equivalent to our imperial/US miles for all practical purposes, and that Scadrial is the same size as Earth. If that's the case, I think this strongly suggests that each of these ticks is actually 2 degrees. The arc distance between latitudes on Earth is about 69 miles, or 138 miles between every two. I figure these numbers are too close to be a coincidence. So I'm going to assume that every line on the map marks every TWO degrees. The distance between lines of longitude varies depending on latitude. I measured the topmost line of latitude and got 96 miles and the bottom one to get 104 miles... Unfortunately, when I do the math on this it suggests these latitude lines are only 1 degree apart, with the map covering 46 degrees North down to 41 degrees North... And they clearly aren't, as explained above. They should span 2 degrees each. Anything else basically undermines the map scale entirely. I think my problem is that I'm abusing the scale. Scales on a map like this are always misleading because the scale changes depending on where you're at on the map... If horizontal distance a the top of the map is being stretched out and horizontal distance at the bottom of the map is being compressed (to give more of a rectangular grid) it means 96 miles at the top is too high and 104 miles at the bottom is too small... If I measure the distance between longitudes in the middle of the map I get about 101 miles, or 50.5 miles between degrees. This suggests that line of longitude is 43 degrees North. Taking every tick as 2 degrees, the top of the map is at 49 degrees North (and the scale here is stretched by a factor of 6%) and the bottom of the map is at 39 degrees North (and the scale is compressed by 3%). That's roughly in the latitude range of western Europe, so that seems reasonable. But then I'm seeing a snag with these latitude labels... The one I have at 43 degrees North corresponds to electrum, which is "12". And I'm struggling to reconcile those.... The latitude numbers down the side of the map are really weird. From top to bottom they read: "atium, malatium, gold, electrum, chromium, nicrosil". The last 4 are known to represent four numbers: "11, 12, 13, 14". You might assume atium and malatium represent 9 and 10, but in Era 2 they use cadmium and bendalloy for 9 and 10. I did find that Hero of Ages (original and leatherbound) just use ALL of the metal symbols (plus some unknowns) in sequence up to 23, and then repeat starting at 1 again. And in that case, they do use atium and malatium as the 9th and 10th. Maybe the map is just... using some older system of numbers? If we continue to assume every tick is 2 degrees, atium at the top would give 18 degrees and nicrosil at the bottom would correspond to 28 degrees. They're measuring latitude down from the geographic north pole, apparently. Using our system, this means the map spans from 72 degrees north to 62 degrees north. This means the map straddles the arctic circle, which... obviously isn't the case. So I figure, maybe these latitudes are implicitly the second set of 23? We're not going from 9 (atium) to 14 (nicrosil), but rather from 9+23=32 to 14+23=37. Assuming each tick is 2 degrees again and flipping to our system, that puts the map between 26 degrees and 16 degrees. Which... puts the map mostly in the tropics, which I also don't think is right. My best guess beyond this is that they're using some third system of numbers, which only counts up to 16 before repeating??? That would put it from 9+16=25 > 40 degrees north to 14+16=30 > 30 degrees. In other words, it fits right in the middle of the United States (in terms of relative latitudes). That fits well with the temperate climate... But that interpretation of the numbers is quite a stretch I think. My only other guess is that the metal symbols were just added for flavor. I was hoping to map the overlay onto a (earth) world map for comparison. Of course we don't know how much changed during the Catacendre... Does the former region of the Final Empire still look anything like what it used to, outside the Elendel basin? Does the latitude of the Elendel Basin region match with where it was during the Final Empire or did Sazed shift it? I don't we know for sure on these. So there would certainly be a lot of caveats... Unfortunately, with the latitude still a mystery it's hard to guess... Well... assuming my first guesses about latitude are correct (and the numbers on the side are nonsense?) I'm getting this: Curious if anybody else has helpful thoughts about what the latitude numbers might mean???
  14. Yes, but it's not a 1:1 change. It's absolutely possible? Converting from one currency to another is rather straightforward. You have to take into account differences in purchasing power, but that's not an uncommon exercise (much less impossible). The Wikipedia page about it isn't short. Generally purchasing power is based on comparing the costs of comparable goods and services. If bread costs 2 USD in the US and 4 CAD in the Canada, and the current exchange rate is 1 USD = 2 CAD, then we can say 1 USD and 1 CAD effectively have the same value. (if we are basing purchasing power entirely on a loaf of bread) It's basically the same thing as comparing the relative values of a single currency over time, with inflation in the picture. This is why I jumped towards looking at the price of bread. It's a very imperfect point of measurement to be sure. There's a reason that "market baskets" typically consist of a great many goods and services... But I think that approach to comparing value makes more sense than minimum wage. I'll fully admit this is pretty wonky though, and rather arbitrary, when we're comparing two different currencies across major time gaps. It's less like comparing the Euro to the US Dollar and more like comparing 2020 US Dollars to... Chinese currency in 1700. That I agree with fully
  15. I think this basis is problematic though. Minimum wage in a modern nation–one of the richest in the world–seems rather arbitrary. We could pass a bill tomorrow that changes the minimum wage. And the median daily income worldwide is quite a bit lower than this. The poorest people in the work living on more than $2 a day seems weird to me.