The One Who Connects Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, lookupwards said: Sebarial and/or Palona are secretly a Heralds of the Almighty. This would certainly be an interesting twist. I think its viability depends on how long they've been public figures. The Heralds don't exactly seem to get older, at least not very quickly, so that might get noticed if Sebarial has been Highprince for decades. Palona is only his mistress, so there is a chance that she hasn't been involved in the court for too long, and she appears to have a lot of authority in his Warcamp... I like this idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 If they're Heralds, I literally couldn't take the Heralds seriously anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamstick Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Zennix said: I didn't read anywhere that the Parshendi have gemhearts. If they did, then I'm very sure that Rosharans would be harvesting their Parshmen. I think the small gems in the beards and the reverence for the dead are good indicators that they may in fact have gemhearts. Navani writes about capturing spren in gems for fabrials. Eshonai transforms using spren. I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest that all native (carapaced) life has or can make a gemheart as part of their physiology, just like most molluscs can make pearls. If so, their gemheart might be why they have a much stronger connection to spren, and why interbreeding (Cultivation!) would bring traits to the Horneaters allowing some or all of them (like Rock) to see spren, and explain why radiants leak light but chasmfiends don't. Also, I'm now shipping The Lopen and a large female Chasmfiend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookupwards Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 10 hours ago, lookupwards said: Sebarial and/or Palona are secretly a Heralds of the Almighty. Well may as well explain my thoughts a bit about Sebarial and Palona a bit more. It stems mostly from Sebarial's sudden decision to actually go with Dalinar on the final expedition. Everyone recognizes it as strange. Someone who has paid to not do gemheart runs suddenly deciding he's willing to fight means either Shallan has convinced him off screen something valuable is there or he already knows/believes something valuable is out there to be found. But the even stranger part to me is when the 2 storms are approaching, we see Sebarial and Palona relaxed eating and drinking while pretty much everyone else is panicking and scrambling for their lives at this point. This stands out to me as a little crazy/mad and crazy/mad are sort of what has become of the Heralds after thousands of years (and I believe by word of Brandon too). Maybe I should make a separate thread on more of my thoughts because I have more but part of me thinks it's a bit crazy and likely wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, lookupwards said: Maybe I should make a separate thread on more of my thoughts because I have more but part of me thinks it's a bit crazy and likely wrong. Please do, it'll be an interesting discussion. You can even quote the post you just made as part of your theory evidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, lookupwards said: Well may as well explain my thoughts a bit about Sebarial and Palona a bit more. It stems mostly from Sebarial's sudden decision to actually go with Dalinar on the final expedition. Everyone recognizes it as strange. Someone who has paid to not do gemheart runs suddenly deciding he's willing to fight means either Shallan has convinced him off screen something valuable is there or he already knows/believes something valuable is out there to be found. But the even stranger part to me is when the 2 storms are approaching, we see Sebarial and Palona relaxed eating and drinking while pretty much everyone else is panicking and scrambling for their lives at this point. This stands out to me as a little crazy/mad and crazy/mad are sort of what has become of the Heralds after thousands of years (and I believe by word of Brandon too). Maybe I should make a separate thread on more of my thoughts because I have more but part of me thinks it's a bit crazy and likely wrong. Or maybe they're just a holes lol (because apparently even censorship isn't enough for this Mormon dominated fandom) Edited May 18, 2017 by Tal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 44 minutes ago, iamstick said: I think the small gems in the beards and the reverence for the dead are good indicators that they may in fact have gemhearts I love this idea, but I don't fully understand why reverence for the dead has much to do with the possession of gemhearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamstick Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Figberts said: I love this idea, but I don't fully understand why reverence for the dead has much to do with the possession of gemhearts. Going by the "Fun (but probably wrong)" principles of the thread: it allows the gemheart to be removed not by force but by natural decay, preserving the honor and "spirit" of the deceased. handwave handwave handwave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger Posted May 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) @The One Who Connects lol I think it would be awesome if a whole rash of new interesting and original theories spawned from simply joking about theories Post away my friends! Edited May 18, 2017 by Radiant_Jaeger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 hours ago, lookupwards said: Well may as well explain my thoughts a bit about Sebarial and Palona a bit more. It stems mostly from Sebarial's sudden decision to actually go with Dalinar on the final expedition. Everyone recognizes it as strange. Someone who has paid to not do gemheart runs suddenly deciding he's willing to fight means either Shallan has convinced him off screen something valuable is there or he already knows/believes something valuable is out there to be found. But the even stranger part to me is when the 2 storms are approaching, we see Sebarial and Palona relaxed eating and drinking while pretty much everyone else is panicking and scrambling for their lives at this point. This stands out to me as a little crazy/mad and crazy/mad are sort of what has become of the Heralds after thousands of years (and I believe by word of Brandon too). Maybe I should make a separate thread on more of my thoughts because I have more but part of me thinks it's a bit crazy and likely wrong. Sebrarial doesn't want to be onto the losing side of any internal war. He only sided with Dalinar after Adolin's victory gave him enough edge to make him believe he might have the upper hand. We can be sure Sebrarial had a back-up plan in case his involvement with Dalinar failed: this is just his nature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger Posted May 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, maxal said: Sebrarial doesn't want to be onto the losing side of any internal war. He only sided with Dalinar after Adolin's victory gave him enough edge to make him believe he might have the upper hand. We can be sure Sebrarial had a back-up plan in case his involvement with Dalinar failed: this is just his nature. I think Sebarial is the Demigod son of Wit ( the Shard of Humor) and that his plan is to be the opposite of his father instead of sly stories and slight elbow bumps that change the course of history he shall of course be blatant, non manipulative, and of course on occasion flatulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galendo Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 My personal "fun and probably wrong but hopefully right" theory is that there are actually ten Radiant oaths. The thing is, there's literally ten of everything else to do with the magic system (ten gemstones, ten surges, ten Orders, etc.), so it just seems wrong that there are only five oaths. Besides, think how much fun speculation on future oaths and associated power-ups we could have then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Wit is actually Odium Edited May 19, 2017 by Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 28 minutes ago, Tal said: Wit is actually Odium Hoid would like a word with you mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am Witless Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 I used to believe that Alcatraz versus the Evil Librarians was Hoid's childhood backstory. After all, the sense of humor is pretty near right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Sovereign said: Hoid would like a word with you mate. And I'd like a word with him. Unfortunately, he and Wit are not the same person to the best of my belief Edited May 19, 2017 by Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, Tal said: And I'd like a word with him. Unfortunately, he and Hoid are not the same person to the best of my belief Wit tells Dalinar that he is called Hoid. They are definitely the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Calderis said: Wit tells Dalinar that he is called Hoid. They are definitely the same person. Yes, I'm aware of this. In fact, he says that Hoid is not his real name However, due to some discrepencies in things like physical appearance (which may be explained by the fact that Hoid may or may not be a lightweaver/have similar abilities) and other things that Wit has said, I've always been under the impression that they are in fact, two different people. If you have some evidence to my contrary, please bring it forth as I'd like this to be reconciled, thanks. Edited May 19, 2017 by Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger Posted May 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tal said: Yes, I'm aware of this. In fact, he says that Hoid is not his real name However, due to some discrepencies in things like physical appearance (which may be explained by the fact that Hoid may or may not be a lightweaver/have similar abilities) and other things that Wit has said, I've always been under the impression that they are in fact, two different people. If you have some evidence to my contrary, please bring it forth as I'd like this mystery to be reconciled, thanks. Nah man they're definitely the same person. Hoid is a master of disguise! I don't have the WoB off hand but I'll post after work! Edited May 19, 2017 by Radiant_Jaeger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, Radiant_Jaeger said: Nah man they're definitely the same person. Hood is a master of disguise! I don't have the WoB off hand but I'll post after work! No wait, I forgot what my brain had done. For a while I thought that they might have been different people but quite recently I've taken a different turn. But the fact that he distinctly says that Hoid is not his name is something a little...off to me. In no other place does Hoid describe himself as anyone except Hoid, which makes me wonder if this is not actually who Hoid is? Idk, I'll probably go lurk on the Cosmere theory threads to see what I can glean. I also wish to see this mysterious Hood character you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) @Tal: Quote INTERVIEW: Oct 1st, 2013 Steelheart Signing Report - Argent (Paraphrased) QUESTION Will Hoid return as the King's Wit in the next/future Stormlight Archive book? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. TAGS hoid, stormlight archive, Edited May 19, 2017 by The Sovereign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger Posted May 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Tal said: I also wish to see this mysterious Hood character you speak of. Storm you autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tal Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Here let me attempt to make my inside thoughts clear (didn't want to go into to much detail since this is a Stormligh oriented thread, but hey, it's tangentially related) The thing that threw me off for a while was the fact that Wit denies his name is Hoid...which is bizarre because he IS Hoid...at least, the character we've come to know as Hoid. However, he speaks of the name as something he's (I don't have WoK on me at the moment but I'll check as soon as I can) stolen?? I believe. Or gotten from some old acquaintance, perhaps even someone dead. Someone... I almost wonder if Hoid is the name of an organization of sorts? That's the wrong word for it, but I can't really describe what I mean. An initiative, perhaps, of Worldhopping, though to what end I have no idea. It definitely revolves around storytelling, as that's Hoid's primary occupation through everywhere we see him. He tells stories, and he deals in information. BUT he also trained Sigzil as a worldsinger...taking him on as an apprentice, so that makes me think that there is perhaps something more behind his storytelling. Also the fact that Sigzil has a bizarre knowledge of Stormlight and things related. Like he knew about it. So it makes me wonder how much Hoid taught him... Anyways, there's my ramble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 @Tal Hoid stuff. Spoiler the character we know as Hoid has had many names and did take the name hoid from someone else. I'm sure there are WoBs on this but I suck at finding them. We've seen Hoid, we know of Cephandrius(sp?), and Topaz. There's probably others. An M one I can't remember? Anyways, the WoB @The Sovereign shared confirms Wit is Hoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Calderis said: @Tal Hoid stuff. Hide contents the character we know as Hoid has had many names and did take the name hoid from someone else. I'm sure there are WoBs on this but I suck at finding them. We've seen Hoid, we know of Cephandrius(sp?), and Topaz. There's probably others. An M one I can't remember? Anyways, the WoB @The Sovereign shared confirms Wit is Hoid. The M Name: Midius This is his actual name before he takes up the "Hoid" mantra in The Liar of Partinel excepts. Edited May 19, 2017 by The Sovereign Spelling is an undervalued thing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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