Quick Fix Game 23: You don't want to Play this Game.

[TheMightyLopen]

Just now, BrightnessRadiant said:

uck! i still feel like i would need to re read the thread a ton of times to get a good read on everyone! i don't have time...should i vote anyways?? I hate feeling rushed grrr

You could vote on Mage to prevent a multi lynch. Or you could cause a multi lynch. Sadly, I think the smarter move would be to prevent one, but it's up to you.  Well, ninja'd. I guess it doesn't matter at this point.

[Elbereth]

1 hour ago, DroughtBringer said:

Don't have much time to post today due to real life...I will try to be more active in the coming cycles, but no promises. Sorry.

Sabaneta Smedry - She admitted to being an Elim, and Joe would probably let us lynch her.

Really not a great idea. It's been done. It didn't really end well then. I'd rather not have this game end through everyone exploding, etc?  

This is a slightly more interesting turn now. I... gah. I'd prefer lynching Ecth over Mage somewhat, but don't want to tie the vote particularly. Though I suppose as is both (or Ornstein and Mage, instead) could die to vote manipulation, which isn't ideal either. Though... no. I was tempted for a minute to leave things as they are and look to see if vote manip happens, but we can't guarantee that'd be the eliminators and we wouldn't learn much except that someone more is dead because we didn't have a strong enough lynch. 

So... Mage. >> 

Ninja'd by Steph. *sigh* And Lopen. He's right, it doesn't matter terribly much, and I realized I never greened my vote on Ornstein in the first place. >> Mage. Joe, what happens if you make two votes? Which is counted, first or last? 

[queensteph]

@BrightnessRadiant you have 3 minutes so you better make up your mind  someone could swing the vote still to kill 2 people (I think ?) so i'd say vote but its up to you

Edited May 14, 2017 by queensteph
wow ninja'd by Lopen and Elbereth o well

[BrightnessRadiant]

I will have to trust y'all and vote mage 

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[Ecthelion III]

"Would you like to get married?"

My mouth hung wide open. Did she just... Were we really...

And at that moment, sitting across from the most beautiful woman in the world, on a date to read books without any books, both of us blushing and giggling, I knew I was in love with Jemma.

"Yes!" I exclaimed, and jumped up to wrap Jemma in a tight embrace. "Yes, I would love that! Now how about we go into town and get what we've forgotten."

"The books?"

"No, silly," I said, and then kissed her. "The rings."

[A Joe in the Bush]

17 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Sabaneta(1): Drought(I'm unsure if lynching the GM is wise, tbh. If this even counts as lynching the GM of course.)

Just noticed the write-up was in! I love it Joe. XD

Heheh, it's def unwise. And thanks!

3 minutes ago, Elbereth said:

Really not a great idea. It's been done. It didn't really end well then. I'd rather not have this game end through everyone exploding, etc?  

Joe, what happens if you make two votes? Which is counted, first or last? 

Heheheheh, Lynching Sabaneta doesn't end the game, or do anything too bad.

I count the last vote made. Makes it easier on me.

Also, that is 
TIME!!!

[A Joe in the Bush]

Cycle 4: That Shattered, Spineless, murdering Idiot!

I’m going to kill him!!! I’m going to rip that jerk face a new mouth in the back of his head! One that Won’t be talking about me behind my back! I heard every word you said about me Master Namer Smedry! I am coming for you!

Full of Hatred, Sabaneta Smedry

 

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Knights of Crystallia After Action Report

17/43/1153 W.R.

Operative's Code name: Nightblood

Reason for Report: Inability to fulfill initial mission due to active criminal events.

 

Report:

Operative Nightblood left the Crystal Spire at approximately 1400, with orders to detain a Suspect of Hushlander Involvement. The Operative left their predetermined course when they heard maniacal laughter and screams for help. Nightblood made their way to the source of the screams, and found the newlywed Master Namer Smedry bleeding profusely, with a broken arm. He was running through the streets, being chased by 19 year old Sabaneta Smedry. The Young lady had some sort of barbarous Hushlander artifact that she called a ‘Baseball Bat’. The object was secured, along with both the assailant and the victim. Unfortunately, in the time Nightblood used securing the three of them, and escorting them back to the Spire for questioning, their target left their home, and has not returned since.

End report.

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Well. . . at least he won’t be talking crap about me behind my back any more. . . I probably shouldn’t have beaten a relative up like that, but, well, he was talking smack about me. Calling me a Hushlander. I mean, I am, but still, He shouldn’t be going around telling everyone that! Anyway. It took ages for those knights to let us both go. I haven’t seen hide nor hair of him since then. Ah well. I can take the rest of my anger out on another cousin, Shem Smedry. That old witch is always giving me funny looks when I walk into the Archives to talk to the other agents. I’ll just stick her in a coma and frame Ratsegam for it.

Toi bad about that really, Ratsegam was kind of cute.

With sore throats and Arms, Sabaneta Smedry

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No one got Married!

Magestar was Lynched! He was a Freeworlder

Seonid was killed by Hushlanders. He was a Freeworlder Librarian!

Votes:

Mage(4): Lopen, Ecth, Steph, Brightness
Ecth(1): randuir
Jedal(1): Unodus
Sabaneta(1): Drought

 

Singles, Dinosaurs, and other inclusive descriptors.

1. Yitzi2   (Jack) A Videogame Engineer
2. Ornstein   (Pavelock) A Physiologist who trains locks.
3. Herowannabe   (Herbert) a Micropachycephalosaurus (type of dinosaur) scholar who delights in regaling people with obscure trivia, usually about his own species.
4. Randuir   (Rand) Not the Chosen One of an Ancient world ending Prophesy.
5. OrlokTsubodai   (Orlok) An average citizen who does his best to ignore politics.
6. Elbereth   (Ella) A cute, innocent little girl)
7. Jedal   (Jedal)  a Guy with good tastes.

The Lopen Clan and Spouses:

1. The MightyLopen   (Celia) A Girl swept off her feet.
2. Unodus   (Agent Deuce) A detective, skilled at Seeping girls off their feet.
3. Queensteph   (Alex) A Girl who loves, and is loved by, Master Namer Smedry
4. DroughtBringer   (Master Namer Smedry) A Smedry with a talent for being around Alex
5. BrightnessRadiant   (Jemma) A Completely not Evil Lover
6. Ecthelion III   (Aaron) A very loving man

Dead/Detained/In Coma’s

1. Sart   (Thomas) Killed by Knights C1: Freeworlder
2. Bridge Boy   (Squirrelmort) Lynched C1: Freeworlder Smedry: Looking Ugly
3. Cloudjumper   (Fodder) Lynched Cycle 2: Freeworlder Knight
4. Cluny the Scourge   (Cluny) Killed by Knights C2: Freeworlder
5. _stick_   (Stick) Killed by Hushlanders C2: Freeworlder Librarian!
6. Magestar   (Ratsegam the Bold) Lynched C3: Freeworlder
7. Seonid   (Shem Smedry) Killed by Hushlanders C2: Freeworlder Librarian!

The cycle ends in :

[Droughtbringer]

Owch.

[Ecthelion III]

So that's the story of how my beautiful wife Jemma and I got married.

That being said, marriage isn't all fun and games. There are certain new issues I'm having to face: THE IN-LAWS. Specifically the one who's probably a serial murderer.

(Lopen)

[Yitzi2]

Ok, it seems clear that the Hushlanders are going after Freeworlder librarians, presumably to protect their own identities.  So if you are a Freeworlder librarian, it may be advisable to ask for protection and/or post what you've discovered so far, before you're killed.

The Hushlanders' apparent concern about librarians also strongly suggests that we should not ignore that trait as Ecthelion suggested.  In fact, Ecthelion is overall seeming somewhat suspicious to me (with significant influence to that decision due to Randuir's analysis last cycle, admittedly, but still).

EDIT: I've reconsidered, and my "Ecthelion as elim" theory isn't as solid as I first thought, so Ecthelion.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Yitzi2

[TheMightyLopen]

Sigh. Of course he was village. :/

1 hour ago, Ecthelion III said:

So that's the story of how my beautiful wife Jemma and I got married.

That being said, marriage isn't all fun and games. There are certain new issues I'm having to face: THE IN-LAWS. Specifically the one who's probably a serial murderer.

(Lopen)

Sigh.

I'm busy, atm, but I will try my best to get the promised analysis up before I go to sleep tonight. Just in case I don't though, we should really try to get more discussion going before the last hour of the Cycle. >> So even if I don't get all of my analysis done, I'll try to put a vote down at least, to help with that.

[Ecthelion III]

To be more clear, I have a couple of suspicions, mainly Lopen, because of the Magestar thing. That doesn't really require that much explanation, though I would like to call attention to this quote from last cycle: "Coupled with your vote on BB on C1 after multiple other players had stated suspicion of him, which could have been you trying to get ahead of a bandwagon(admittedly, one that I jumped on as well, but I know I'm village), I'm putting my vote on you." This reasoning is shaky at best, considering Lopen himself was the one who started the wagon from one other vote.

[Droughtbringer]

I currently, after talking with them, trust Ecth.

First off I scanned Etch and was confirmed that Ecth is not a librarian, which kinda throws off what Rand was saying last cycle with the whole:

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and his comment about how we should just ignore the librarian role also reminds me far more of an elim librarian than a village worried about people lynching someone just because he’s a librarian. There’s also his desperation to get married, which either means he has an important power (tripper or dancer, which might mean he’s actually village), or really wanted to get one (which might be elim behaviour). That comment and his courtship of BR might also have just been cover for two elims that had decided they needed to share a power anyway, and by arranging the marriage so publicly they would hope to avoid suspicion.

@randuir @Ecthelion III

You can't just trust my word on that, though. We would need another Librarian to scan Ecth, just to prove that he is not a librarian (We could, theoretically, both be Hushlanders, and attempting to throw the village off with this play, though)

There is also the whole marriage thing, and with that I think that it is a cool mechanic, that I have had fun participating with. I can understand just wanting to get married. It seems like it would be something fairly useful, and weather or not you had a power it could allow you to be useful to the village. With having a power you can give it to someone you trust, and not having a power would allow you to try and hide actual power trades distracting the elims from being able to just target people with powers. 

Conclusion: I have a decent amount of trust for Ecth, but, as with everyone, I will keep an eye on him.

[Herowannabe]

*Pops in long enough to see if he is about to get lynched or if his vote is needed anywhere*

*looks around*

*goes to bed*

 

(Also, X-Wing Tournament went really well today. I took 1st place out of 30 people. Woot! Now I really am going to bed.)

[Elbereth]

3 hours ago, Yitzi2 said:

Ok, it seems clear that the Hushlanders are going after Freeworlder librarians, presumably to protect their own identities.  So if you are a Freeworlder librarian, it may be advisable to ask for protection and/or post what you've discovered so far, before you're killed.

The Hushlanders' apparent concern about librarians also strongly suggests that we should not ignore that trait as Ecthelion suggested.  In fact, Ecthelion is overall seeming somewhat suspicious to me (with significant influence to that decision due to Randuir's analysis last cycle, admittedly, but still).

EDIT: I've reconsidered, and my "Ecthelion as elim" theory isn't as solid as I first thought, so Ecthelion.

This... unless I'm wrong, since I didn't see it, you edited that retraction two hours after the initial post. When others had posted after you. Please don't do that? It's annoying both for GMs and players. Even an edit a minute late can be annoying for someoen who's currently in the thread. You should most definitely be making a new post if you're editing it out that late. 

Also, you don't provide reasoning for your vote or your retraction? You imply that you had an actual idea for what Ecth had been doing/for his interactions that fit into him being evil, with your retraction, but you never clarify what that theory is. 

Other than that, the game's even closer now. >> No Knight kill, which helps a bit, but we're still 5:8 at this point. And Ornstein, Orlok, and Jedal are close to inactive, and Unodus hasn't been saying much. If none of those are evil, in theory the eliminators could control the lynch. We need to lynch an elim this cycle. 

I'm not terribly capable of forming coherent suspicions right now, though. >> I've a headache and have been reading about too many atrocities today. I'll post and vote tomorrow morning sometime. Night, all. 

Uh, temporary vote on Yitzi, both to drive discussion and because I'd like a bit more of an explanation than that. 

[DeTess]

3 hours ago, DroughtBringer said:

I currently, after talking with them, trust Ecth.

First off I scanned Etch and was confirmed that Ecth is not a librarian, which kinda throws off what Rand was saying last cycle with the whole:

@randuir @Ecthelion III

You can't just trust my word on that, though. We would need another Librarian to scan Ecth, just to prove that he is not a librarian (We could, theoretically, both be Hushlanders, and attempting to throw the village off with this play, though)

There is also the whole marriage thing, and with that I think that it is a cool mechanic, that I have had fun participating with. I can understand just wanting to get married. It seems like it would be something fairly useful, and weather or not you had a power it could allow you to be useful to the village. With having a power you can give it to someone you trust, and not having a power would allow you to try and hide actual power trades distracting the elims from being able to just target people with powers. 

Conclusion: I have a decent amount of trust for Ecth, but, as with everyone, I will keep an eye on him.

Alright, this does punt a dent in my 'ecth is evil' theory. I'm currently looking into Semdry talents, and if I can prove beyond reasonable doubt that BR wasn't lying about not having any powers nor having gained any by marrying ecth, I'll probably back off from him.

We have lost two village librarians already, so I'm going to be taking a closer look at Drought when I have time, as from a purely mathematics standpoint, he could have a decent chance of being an elim librarian. Just those odds aren't anywhere near enough to lynch him on, of course, but they do mean I'm going to take another look at his posts.

Edit: so I've taken a quick look through Droughts posts again, and I'd say that he is probably village. A number of his suggestions have been actively helpful to the village (reminding everyone to make PM's, for example), and the overall tone I get from is posts is that of an active villager invested in getting this game to a favorable conclusion. I would like to see those suspicions he mentioned last cycle though.

Edited May 14, 2017 by randuir

[TheMightyLopen]

6 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

To be more clear, I have a couple of suspicions, mainly Lopen, because of the Magestar thing. That doesn't really require that much explanation, though I would like to call attention to this quote from last cycle: "Coupled with your vote on BB on C1 after multiple other players had stated suspicion of him, which could have been you trying to get ahead of a bandwagon(admittedly, one that I jumped on as well, but I know I'm village), I'm putting my vote on you." This reasoning is shaky at best, considering Lopen himself was the one who started the wagon from one other vote.

Yeah, it's a QF, and no one has really done anything to prove themselves, considering we've only lynched villagers and the Knights have only killed villagers. All of the lynches have had shaky reasoning. Why are you so focused on me? I answered your accusations from last Cycle as best as I could, and put forward my honest opinions on who I thought was village and who I thought might be elims. I can understand being suspicious of me for voting on Mage, I consider votes on villagers as fair reasons to be suspicious of someone, but I find it suspicious that you said you were convinced one of me or rand was evil, but then voted alongside me to save yourself without really pushing hard for mine or rand's lynch, and now have gone back to saying that I'm "probably" evil.

Anyways, I don't want to just focus on you, since I've been wrong about you before(quite recently >>), and we really need to kill an elim this Cycle. You mentioned other suspicions, mind sharing those?

At the moment, I'm leaning village for randuir and El still, and Unodus to some extent, although given he hasn't really participated in lynches much, I'm less confident in my read now. As promised, here's some analysis:

Yitzi - First thing of note is that he responds to BB's declaration of being a Hushlander, basically asking for clarification from BB, but not in an accusatory way. He puts forward the idea of using a multi lynch. He eventually votes on BB, to 'close off the possibility of Hushlanders manipulating the vote off of BB.' It seems like he didn't really suspect BB initially for his odd claim to begin the game, but closer to the end of the Cycle, it seemed like he did think it was suspicious, so that is a little odd to me. I feel like it's pretty safe to assume he's not a Librarian, because of the way he acted when asking about the role. If he was a Librarian, he probably wouldn't have acted ignorant of the way the role is used, since if he got scanned, that would look suspicious. So far he's voted on BB, Cluny, and cloudjumper, all of whom have turned out to be village. He didn't post at all last Cycle, which is pretty disappointing, and now he's posted this Cycle, but without mentioning his lack of posting last Cycle or as El mentioned, why he voted then retracted on Ecth like he did. Overall, I've got a slight elim read on him, mostly from the voting on villagers and lack of posting last Cycle. One thing I do think is in his favor is that he's likely not a Librarian, but I don't know how much of an alignment indicator that is.

Ornstein - Has posted 3 one-liners. :/ He actually hasn't been online for around 30 hours or so. I don't really have an opinion on him, but I'm not sure we need to worry about him if he is an elim, considering his inactivity. Of course, he could participate in an elim hammer if he comes back, so I wouldn't mind asking the Knights to kill him, but I don't think he's a priority at this point.

Unodus - My reasoning for trusting Unodus is mostly because of my PM with him. He started the PM with his proposal, which surprised me a little, and made me a little wary that he was trying to get on my good side or something, but after talking with him for a while, he mentioned that he didn't even realize the marrying mechanic actually had a use, which isn't something I'd expect an elim to not know about, and I felt like he was being genuine about not knowing that. He hasn't voted so far I don't think, which I guess could be counted against him, but I kind of feel like an elim would try to vote at least once at this point, if only to avoid the suspicion that usually comes from not participating in lynches. Also, I'm kind of biased since we're married and his RP is great.

Jedal - Has only posted twice, and neither have really said anything alignment indicative, IMO. Basically, just look at randuir's analysis last Cycle. >> I really have no idea, since I've seen new players go completely inactive from either side. I guess I wouldn't mind the Knights killing him, but I don't feel like we should use the lynch on him, considering it won't give us any information to go off of for next Cycle. Similar to Ornstein, he hasn't been online in a while, so he's not a priority.

And that's all I've got time for tonight. I decided to analyse the more active players tomorrow(Brightness, Hero, Drought, Ecthelion), since I really need to get some sleep(looks like I'll only get like, 3 hours at this point, but I've only got myself to blame ). I should be around much earlier tomorrow than usual to get that analysis done, since I get up at a normal time on Sundays.  Although I do have church, so I won't be around much near rollover. Plus rollover for LG33 is tomorrow as well.

Edit: Oh, meant to vote on Yitzi. That may change tomorrow though.

Edited May 14, 2017 by TheMightyLopen

[Yitzi2]

7 hours ago, Elbereth said:

This... unless I'm wrong, since I didn't see it, you edited that retraction two hours after the initial post. When others had posted after you. Please don't do that? It's annoying both for GMs and players. Even an edit a minute late can be annoying for someoen who's currently in the thread. You should most definitely be making a new post if you're editing it out that late. 

Also, you don't provide reasoning for your vote or your retraction? You imply that you had an actual idea for what Ecth had been doing/for his interactions that fit into him being evil, with your retraction, but you never clarify what that theory is. 

Other than that, the game's even closer now. >> No Knight kill, which helps a bit, but we're still 5:8 at this point. And Ornstein, Orlok, and Jedal are close to inactive, and Unodus hasn't been saying much. If none of those are evil, in theory the eliminators could control the lynch. We need to lynch an elim this cycle. 

I'm not terribly capable of forming coherent suspicions right now, though. >> I've a headache and have been reading about too many atrocities today. I'll post and vote tomorrow morning sometime. Night, all. 

Uh, temporary vote on Yitzi, both to drive discussion and because I'd like a bit more of an explanation than that. 

Sorry.  What happened was that I edited in the retraction about a minute after, but forgot to hit the edit button, and then later on noticed that I hadn't edited it, so I did it then.

As for why the retraction: Part of my theory and then retraction was due to private knowledge that I don't think it would be good for the elims to know about quite yet, so I'd rather not post it.

EDIT: By the way, if I were a liar, I could just say that I reconsidered two hours afterward; nobody had posted yet, so editing rather than double-posting would still have been the right thing to do.  The fact, however, is that I reconsidered much sooner after, and even mentioned by edit (which I'd thought I had made) to Ecth in a PM.

EDIT2: @TheMightyLopen I was somewhat suspicious of BB at that point, but my main reason for the vote, as I said, was that the vote was strong enough that the village had next to no chance of saving BB, but the Elims might; as such, my vote would very likely be irrelevant except in a case where BB was an elim.

EDIT3: And now I'm suspicious of Ecth again; my original theory has become a lot stronger due to a PM I received.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Unodus]

"I woke up the next day in a pile of my own socks. Usually this would be unusual for me, but tonight it was just a mild footnote of a torrent of peculiar incidents wrapped up tighter than a silkworm with a severe case of alzheimer's, which was currently hanging outside the window in a plastic bag. Celica was out for this weekend to visit her family, so I'd decided to take a a full tree check on my office- thankfully no trees had snuck in overnight, for which I thank god. But the lock on the door had been jammed for as long as I could remember, and a cold chill swept through the door window which had been smashed in (technically not my fault). That's when I got the glass pager report on my desk. Shemmy Smedry, coughing up his last grapes at the pearly gates of Amsterdam last night. damnation shame. He and I used to go golfing, but we grew apart after the Morningdale incident (also technically not my fault). Breathing out cloud of smoke, I put a sock in the door and leaned back in my detective chair- feet up on my rickety desk. I noticed immediately that the crime scene had a striking resemblance to the Stick case. Seems like this out-of-town no-good crustaceanary recently received a large quantity of milk, and had therefore gone serial. I put a pin in all my current client contract work and slipped a notice to say I wouldn't be taking any new cases for a few days- because this Hush-up was big, possibly the biggest I've ever faced in my whole career. But if there's one thing you can count on- it's that sooner or later, milk goes sour. And when it does, you're going to go need to get some more milk. Because that's how milk works. Everybody knows that, sheesh."

[Jedal]

Sorry for being AFK for the last few days, guys. I'm new to this and I forgot that I was part of this game! Also, I may not be active a lot today because it is my brother's First Communion.

 

[DeTess]

Okay, so Yitzi told me about the mystery info that has been driving his suspicion of ecth. What he's told me does not clash with what I've found from other sources, and as I mentioned before I've more of a village read on him, so I'm willing to I've him the benefit of the doubt for now. I do want @Yitzi2 to post this bit of info next cycle (and if he dies before that, I will).

Edit: so, just to be clear, I don't expect everyone to just take my word for this. I told Yitzi that it would be better to just put everything on the table in the thread, but he was adamant that he needed a bit more time to work things out, so this weak-sauce endorsement is all I can do.

Ecthelion, could you tell me why, if you where so certain Lopen is evil, did you decide to follow his lead on voting for Magestar? You switched before he'd posted his defense of your list of his suspicious actions and didn't switch back when you found a fault in that. I just can't figure out why a villager fairly certain of someone's guilt would decide to follow his lead in voting.

And yeah, I know, I appear to be tunneling on Ecth pretty hard, but he seems to keep doing things that make me suspicious. At this point I just want to know his alignment for certain, because if he's evil, he's likely the key to this entire thing, and if he isn't then I can focus on others that have been below my radar or that I consider village (Lopen comes to mind).

Edited May 14, 2017 by randuir

[Yitzi2]

50 minutes ago, randuir said:

Okay, so Yitzi told me about the mystery info that has been driving his suspicion of ecth. What he's told me does not clash with what I've found from other sources, and as I mentioned before I've more of a village read on him, so I'm willing to I've him the benefit of the doubt for now. I do want @Yitzi2 to post this bit of info next cycle (and if he dies before that, I will).

Edit: so, just to be clear, I don't expect everyone to just take my word for this. I told Yitzi that it would be better to just put everything on the table in the thread, but he was adamant that he needed a bit more time to work things out, so this weak-sauce endorsement is all I can do.

Ecthelion, could you tell me why, if you where so certain Lopen is evil, did you decide to follow his lead on voting for Magestar? You switched before he'd posted his defense of your list of his suspicious actions and didn't switch back when you found a fault in that. I just can't figure out why a villager fairly certain of someone's guilt would decide to follow his lead in voting.

And yeah, I know, I appear to be tunneling on Ecth pretty hard, but he seems to keep doing things that make me suspicious. At this point I just want to know his alignment for certain, because if he's evil, he's likely the key to this entire thing, and if he isn't then I can focus on others that have been below my radar or that I consider village (Lopen comes to mind).

@randuirthat is fair; I will post the info next cycle.  I am simply concerned that posting the full details too early might reveal some information that the elims would dearly love to have.

And as I mentioned, I'm back to suspecting Ecthelion, so now I will vote for Ecthelion.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Droughtbringer]

Hmm...I have a PM going with Rand and I have a village read on him. I also think that he will be able to pull off something that could win this game for us. I, without all this useful information that is being hinted at, still trust Ecth. (Given my defense of him) 

But...I also trust Rand and would like to get information if he thinks it's worth it. So I will vote for Ecthelion for now. But if Ecth is innoocient then I don't think I will be able to trust Rand's decision for the rest of this game. 

[Ecthelion III]

Simple! Self-preservation.  Lopen said he  would vote on me  if nobody  joined  him in  voting on  Mage,  so I'd  rather there be 2  votes on someone who  could maybe be evil than 2  votes on me who I  know is village.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Ecthelion III
fixed the color

[DeTess]

29 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

<color=cyan>Simple! Self-preservation.  Lopen said he  would vote on me  if nobody  joined  him in  voting on  Mage,  so I'd  rather there be 2  votes on someone who  could maybe be evil than 2  votes on me who I  know is village.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't really make sense. If you thought Lopen was evil, you should have expected that Mage would most likely be village. Plus, I didn't think you'd cave to threats if you really thought someone was evil.

1 hour ago, DroughtBringer said:

Hmm...I have a PM going with Rand and I have a village read on him. I also think that he will be able to pull off something that could win this game for us. I, without all this useful information that is being hinted at, still trust Ecth. (Given my defense of him) 

But...I also trust Rand and would like to get information if he thinks it's worth it. So I will vote for Ecthelion for now. But if Ecth is innoocient then I don't think I will be able to trust Rand's decision for the rest of this game. 

Just saying drought, I'm not infallible, and can end up tunneling on an innocent or being fooled by elims just like anyone else, so please, please try to use your own judgement as much as possible. That having been said, if Ecth does prove innocent, I won't be trusting my judgement anymore either, so that would make two of us. I don't think that's going to be the case though.

If I do prove wrong, I really hope that we've got an active village Dancer that can compensate for it.