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Well yeah, I wasn't suggesting a watch. more that if Lirin had a Clock, the palace probably had clocks... and maybe one in the room. However, maybe not.

I think Age is mute. Besides... well its been some time since I read Mistborn... but I've always had the view that Sazed, Ham, Breeze, and Clubs were much older than even Kelsier. Also Cleese could be made to look younger, and in any move I have seen him this mannorisms, voice, behaviors are all so spot on Breeze. haha

doesn't Lirin have a fabrial Clock? or am I pulling lies out of my butt?

This is also my thoughts on the matter.

I really like "The Tower" refrencing Uirtuiru (Sp). To me, that means "The fallen title" is mostly likely the title of Knights Radiant. Although I don't know what to make of "The Crown" in that case. Maybe just being "The Crown" as a refrence to Glory, but with the others being more specific, I doubt it. I don't think the Death Crys would refrence old Althikar Highpricne titles.

I think the Recreance was the Betrayal that was mentioned by the spren. To me I think that the Spren who had bonds were allowed to grow concience beyond the normal spren and were the "leaders" then when they lost their bonds, the Cognitive realm fell into a semi-choaitc state becasue all of the larger bond spren became lesser spren with the loss of the bond... Or something like that.

I do have to agree wiht the Collar. whenever i hear them talk about the coats and military style in the book I've always pictured a chiniese minimal collar type jacket. Like Bruce Lee wears... or a priest. which I think is an awesome style. Not modern large lepel style collars.

I was under the impression that stormlight is much like the mists. which is much like the breaths. Where as if per say Vin was able to channel the mist like Kaladin does stormlight it would grant her immortality. However, for whatever reason that isn't how Scandrials magic system came about. SO they don't hold the as you put it "untyped" investiture.

1. Dalinar not dying. 2. Kaladin growing trust in Adolin and Dalinar enough to tell them about his powers, or being forced to use his powers to protect them/his men while Adolin or Dalinar are present. 3. Plot twists involving who/what/where the voidbringers are. 4. more fabrial science. 5. more surgebinding. 6. Find out why Hoid is avoiding his "friend" on Roshar.

I completely agree with you. It is possible for people that are very similar to be in love and have a good relationship, however, its much more common for people with opposite views of life to be attracted to one another. I've always been confused about the Shallarin thing. Personally I think Shallan and Adolin would be a much more exciting and better relationship anyway. I also think Adolin will appreciate Shallans skill at art, and more importantly her quick wit. Even more than Shy Renarin.

I could actually get behind this.. I think I agree more with Aether that the lackeys of Darkness are probably not Radiants. However, I could see the Surgebinding giving agelessness. Also the holding of stormlight slowly lighteneing your eyecolor perminately. The Radiant in the Ferverstone Keep has almost white eyes. To me that seems to point to not only light eyes, but bright light eyes, and thats after he gave up his shards. I do think however, when the Radiants gave up their blades and plate, They also gave up their Bond and Spren, and they also, in my opinion lost their ability to hold stormlight and surgebind. So even if their surgebinding did provide Agelessness, after that, they were mortal and probably died.

I don't think a Naginata or a Gwan Dao would take that much adapting. I would take some, as the blade is much heavier. However both Weapons, Naginata and Gwan Daos, are known to have short or long versions between 5-6 feet. We know Kaladin is taller than quite a few rosharians. So a Short Gwan Dao wouldn't be that different than his current fighting style.

Exactly. Haha

I agree with AG. If Kaladin makes a Shardspear I don't think it will be a standard piercing spear, Although I don't think it will really be a Naginata either I think it will be much more like a Gwan Dao. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taoistmasterblog.com%2Fsuper-heavy-guan-dao-kwan-dao-kungfu-in-small-apartment-demonstration%2F&h=0&w=0&sz=1&tbnid=-FPkUnThn7v2WM&tbnh=173&tbnw=292&zoom=1&docid=NLjzc2Xri5gouM&ei=tHzNUrO9Aof8oASbqoKgDw&ved=0CAoQsCUoBA

You also need to remember taht Szeths people worship stone and think it a sin to walk on it (Yet I'm pretty sure the heralds are walking on it in the prelude...) Also that the voidbringers are not real. So, although he has some knowledge about the Radiants and Surgebinding he isn't exactly a reliable source. Edit: added the heralds walking on stone part.

I also don't find this its talking about Rysn to be reliable. We know Hoid has some way of knowing where to be for some things, but I don't think he would have any knowledge of Rysn.... or her finding a Shardblade. I do think there might be something to this anagram buisness, but I find it much more likely to be Hoid giving clues about shardblades, or about something to do with shardblades. Unless its Brandon just putting something in there for us to find that is cool, I doubt it has anything to do with Rysn.

I do think this is a good theory. I agree that the plate and blade where very personal items. I also think part of that is still there. (Hench why it is so difficult and so unnerving for Dalinar to think about the King loaning out his plate and blade for duels.) However, with them that connection isn't even close to as personal as I think the original Radiants was to their plate and blade. That being the case I do think something happend when radiants died. Also, we can infer some things from other works... Mistborn spoilers

ok...Lets see. You are correct, not that I doubted you, that the discriptions of the honorblades in the prelude actually lend more weight to your argument, perhaps. They are described as being flowing wokrs of art, inscribed with glyphs and patters, and unique. There is nothing aobut size. And even, the fact that we know they are Unique, unique enough that Kalak can identify whos blade is whos and Talns is described as being massive leads more weight that they most likely vary in size. However, One point. It does say not only is Talns sword massive but that it is specifically a massive shardblade. "..to his side he held a massive Shardblade..." Small but distinctive that I think his shardblade, correctly his honorblade is massive even in comparison to other shardblades. Other shardblades arn't, to my knowledge described as massive. Only larger than a normal sword, or as long as a man is tall. As for the behavior of Szeths blade....I have no rebuttal. Logically, I should be convinced by my own words.. You have made good points. However, I'm going to reserve the right to be illogical and still be not convinced.

I don't think he so much as changed Theology. To me its much more akin to the Enlightment movements of the late 1400's and early 1500's. When the Catholic Church was removed from faciliating all the knowledge about God to the bible being translated to english and the expanded theological knowldege. I don't think the theology or specific beliefes changed. To me we can see that as far back as the KR, (by way of the skyfall vision.) that Alethela, and by extention Alethkar had the deep rooted seed of one nation to learn and know war so others dont. That is a core of Alethi Culture, and not necessarily Vorin Religion. Now, With Alethkar being the largest Vorin Kingdom, and the one that happend to overthrow the Hierocracy, its easy to see how the overall Culture of Alethkar influenced the Vorin Theology, but I dont think it, or the Sunmaker specifically changed the Theology or its tenents, just set up the system that war, and fighting was the "Highest Calling."

mmmm. This is an intersting point. Good job.

Well to me it means the 3 "Ruled" by the way of the Oathpact. I think the Oathpact was made so Odium could be imprissioned for some gain to Honor on the conditions that he got to do something, much in the same way that... mistborn spoiler

I fully agree. If some lighteyes wanted to punish Gaz it would be to put him in a crew where his people would beat him down or make him run in the front first. Not where he would be an unknown. Furthermore, I know some have mentioned Gaz was being blackmailed and that is a reason he could end up in the bridge crews. He was being blackmailed by Lamaril, who was exicuted. So yeah thats not going to work. A dead man can't send you to the bridgecrews. and we know he is around for a short time AFTER Lamaril dies. Furthermore, Sending someone who owes you money or is paying you money to the bridgecrews seems just about the worst idea ever. You aren't going to get any money from a dead man, and little from the bridgeman that happens to live. As we know they are paid pennies.

I have a really hard time buying this theory for one reason and one reason alone. Honorblades in the Prelude, and Talns Honorblade are discribed as Massive. And yet Szeths blade is described as shorter than most shardblades, and WoB is "Noticable Shorter than Shardbaldes" So, for that reason ALONE Szeth in my mind cannot have an Honorblade. I think he is torture, is one the fact that he has to obey commands to kill and commands that he finds repulsive and evil, walk on stone, murder innocents, so on and so forth. And I do believe that he thinks religion wise that he is going to damnation becuase of it, not that he will live again to be tortured and so on and so forth. Furthermore, if Szeth has an Honorblade, and we know Honorblades disappear when the holder dies, unlike Shardblades that appear when the holder dies.... how in the hell are the stone shamans going to retrieve his blade?? Its gone, it disappeared, gone to... well who knows? to shardsmar? so unless the Stone Shamans have the ability to go to Shardsmar, if thats even where the Honorblades go when the holder dies, I don't see the Shamans getting it any time soon after Sezth dies.

This is a good point. Its my theory that the blades/plate did house the bonded spren of the KR. Or something very similar. Maybe they could store stormlight in the blades and plate? I dunno, that thought just came to me. And we have to remember that Intent has a Huge roll in the magic system. and the Blade and Plate are pieces of the magic system. So its not that far fetched that once they were discared by the KR they were ready to be filled, with a different Intent.

Well we do have the WoB that say "Great Magic Released here.." So yeah. Maybe the Shattered Plains are where Honor was Shattered? so not a shardpool/shardlake but maybe that is what realeased his power and created the shattered plains? I dunno, your comment just got me thinking.