Haelbarde

Just now, Snipexe said:

I removed my vote from Ark (Ray)

Yes you did, sorry.

Lynch Tally
Snip (1): Alv, Hael, Drake{2}
Kidpen (0): Fura{1}
Ray (0): Snip
Striker (2): Fifth, Araris, Fura{2}, Striker{2}, Lum
Gaea (0): Rae{1}, Striker{1}
Bard (0): Drake{1}, Drake{3}
Lum (4): Striker{3}, Drake{4}, Devotary, Ray{2}, Rae{2}
Wilson (0): Ray{1} 

So cleaning that all up: 

Lynch Tally
Lum (4): Drake, Devotary, Ray, Rae
Striker (2): Fifth, Lum
Snip (1): Hael

Just to double check the tally independently, I think it's the following:

Lynch Tally
Snip (1): Alv, Hael, Drake{2}
Kidpen (0): Fura{1}
Ray (1): Snip
Striker (2): Fifth, Araris, Fura{2}, Striker{2}, Lum
Gaea (0): Rae, Striker{1}
Bard (0): Drake{1}, Drake{3}
Lum (4): Striker{3}, Drake{4}, Devotary, Ray{2}, Rae
Wilson (0): Ray{1} 

And that looks like it all checks out.

@Devotary of Spontaneity When did Striker PM you about the Lumgol scan?

EDIT:

I got ninja'd by Fura, putting my post on the start of the new page. Make sure you don't miss his RP post.

I've been a bit suspicious of Doc for this post:

So, vote tallies from that cycle.

Vote Tally Until Doc's Vote
Bard (2): Stink{1}, Araris{1}, Rath, Araris{3}
Shane (1): Rand
Devotary (0): Araris{2}
Araris (1): Sart
Hael (1): Bard
Rand (2): Fifth, Doc

This vote is made here. It was made 3 hours 45 minutes before end of cycle. This would be around 12:15 a.m his time.

Vote Tally when Rand claims Mistborn
Bard (1): Stink{1}, Araris{1}, Rath{1}, Araris{3}
Shane (0): Rand{1}
Devotary (0): Araris{2}
Araris (2): Sart, Striker
Hael (1): Bard
Rand (3): Fifth, Doc, Rath{2}
Fifth (1): Snipexe
Striker (1): Rand{2}

This happened 40 minutes before end of cycle.

Vote Tally at end of cycle

Bard (1): Stink{1}, Araris{1}, Rath{1}, Araris{3}, Devotary{1}, Doc{2}
Shane (0): Rand{1}
Devotary (0): Araris{2}
Araris (2): Sart, Striker
Hael (1): Bard
Rand (1): Fifth{1}, Doc{1}, Rath{2}
Fifth (1): Snipexe
Striker (4): Rand{2}, Fifth{2}, Doc{3}, Devotary{2}

It's worth noting that Rath's vote on Rand was most likely soothed, as it did not appear in the official vote tally.

Now, back to that post of Doc's. It's where he retracts his vote on Rand. He retracts simultaneously with Fifth (both posted 12 minutes prior to end of cycle). But what I'm suspicious of is why Rand claimed to Doc, and why Doc was even online. 

In the post, Doc claims that Rand claimed to him in a PM at 3 a.m. his local time, an hour before the end of cycle. Why I make a point of the timing is posting after 12am local time, that's reasonable. Closer to 3am though is much more likely to be out of the norm. Particularly given that Doc said he was going on a date that day and being well rested would probably be a good idea. Him being on to keep an eye on thread in case people decided to actually double down on Rand and be able to balance the votes again would help explain being up relatively late after he'd already signed off with his initial vote. He explains being awake to post on Rand claiming, but that still requires him to be awake 3 hours after his last post to even receive that email, so doesn't seem like a great excuse to still be online.

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

Rand claimed Mistborn to me about a couple of hours before he actually revealed it in thread

That's not what you said at the time. Based on the times you said in your post, he claimed in thread 20 minutes after allegedly claiming to you in a PM.

Anyways, for the moment, I'm suspicious enough of Doc to add a vote on him.

4 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Um, it's still frowned upon... It's just that there are now several players here who have made it their normal playstyle. : /

Alright, good to know it hasn't changed as much then. On MU, they basically killed you if you didn't put your vote where it would matter, i.e. on the bandwagon, or one one of them, if there were two, say.

First up - I was asked as the end of a PM chain to say that some used a Ledger on @Lumgol and had it turn up Corrupt.

I have some thoughts on that, but if possible I'd like to hear from Lumgol first.

3 hours ago, Alvron said:

And finally, kill Hael and collect his head which I have been after for oh so long now.

4 hours ago, DrakeMarshmallow said:

2. This is the second time you are minimizing the significance of your vote. Why?

3. Many players I know tend to put their vote where it will count in the last stages of the cycle, even if they don't like the options very much. I haven't played a lot with you before, are you not the type to do that?

2. What exactly did my vote achieve? And I basically said that half the reason I put it there was in the off chance that Rath was daggered, I'd get items.

3. That might be true, but that's quite a significant change in process from how games were played when I started. Bandwagoning was severely frowned upon and scrutinised. The prevailing wisdom of the time was vote for who you've got a reason to vote for, don't just pile on a bandwagon. I still subscribe to that point of view. If you look up the game I played for the first Mafia Universe Championship we participated in, I played in exactly that way (and got killed for it for they played more like you and found it similarly suspicious). I didn't want to make it harder to prevent a Constable lynch, so I didn't have a good reason to put a vote on any of the lynches. 

1 minute ago, Sart said:

Really, you're voting on Doc? The same Doc who voted on Randuir Day 2? The same Doc who revealed to the thread the Seeker's result? That's who you've decided is suspicious? I highly doubt the case against them.

That seems especially suspicious in hindsight, given that we know Randuir was not a Mistborn but rather a Spiked.

Doc revealing the seeker result is not relevant. If he didn't reveal it, who ever sent it to doc would know that he hadn't done so. Same if he changed the result. Makes it a bad idea to not reveal even if he were the inquisitor.

We don't know that Rand wasn't the Mistborn - you lose your role when spiked, with only a chance of getting a new one.

3 minutes ago, Hemalurgic Headshot said:

2. Burnt is dead, Burnt and Alv were buddies, and Burnt is Village. Being the only vote on your target is a sure way of getting your dagger back. Or, as others have suggested, this a Hot Potato Dagger being passed among Elims. If this Dagger is not named 'Hot Potato' I will be sorely disappointed.

Two points of order:

- we have no idea if Burnt was village. Now from my PMs with her I reckon she was probably village her but she knows how to manipulate and read me so that doesn't mean a whole lot. 

- Snipexe can't have been the one to use the dagger. You can't keep items you use successfully. If he had used it, the dagger would have gone to the constables instead, and we'd be able to see it in the blackmarket, where we see there are none (someone got the dagger from the shop then it seems).

52 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Personally, I don’t know why some people have immediately jumped onto a Snip lynch.

It's Alv and I playing up our annoyance at Burnt being taken out of the game day 1 for seemingly no reason. Alv and Burnt get on, and were likely to murderise people together if they got daggers. Burnt's also my sister, so I was hoping to work together with her this game. It's annoying then that we can't.

Plus, this just a poke vote. A threat of lynch to encourage someone to answer a specific question. Given this game needs two votes for a lynch, poke votes should come in pairs anyway.

21 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Haelbarde did you ever explain why you voted on Rath last cycle?

I didn't get to before rollover. I'll quote that post so I can explain what I was thinking at the time.

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I feel like I'd honestly rather not vote on any of the constables. We can live with 10-15% uncertainty in results for a little while. Rereading the writeup, because I'm sure that Joe left clues in the writeup, Wilson could well be the culprit, given that Altea survived a sip. I feel like Joe'd also do so to mess with Wilson. But as Wilson's PR Agent, I am not willing to actually put a vote on her in this game.

With only a few hours left, I want to poke the inactives:  @Bugsy,  @Arraenae, @Rathmaskal 
 
Rathmaskal - you've been on since cycle started? Any thoughts at all?

I didn't want to vote on any of the constables, at least not yet. I was hoping that if we gave it a cycle or two we might get a few more hints from writeups, or there's a chance that we could glean info from any corrupted senators, if we find them. But with only a few hours to go, there wasn't much I could do about the lynch. I mean, if someone else decided to join me on voting on someone, maybe, but that was unlikely with 2.5ish hours to go. Figured there was a chance maybe to at least try and get the inactives involved, make sure they knew the game had started - looks like Rae at least hadn't, so it did actually achieve something productive. Why Rath specifically - I've played with Bugsy and Rae before, but I've not played a full game with Rath before (I don't think?) so to me they're an unknown. Bugsy and Rae had been ofline for the better part of a day so seemed less likely to get on, whereas Rath had been online in the last 6 hours, and had been posting elsewhere I believe. There was little reason for them not to have seen that the game was active, or to have looked at the thread to see what's happening.  Felt like they'd be more likely to respond. If they'd turned up, I'd have removed the vote, which really, didn't achieve much in the first place, given we need 2 votes to lynch anyway. The final aspect to it was I think it's important to have a vote down as much as possible. It can help provide information if everyone is consistently voting, and in this game, if we have votes spread out, it's much easier to keep items in play if we have dagger deaths, which turns out we ended up with...

Just now, Furamirionind said:

What makes you say that about Snip?

Snip now has the dagger used to kill Burnt. Who ever killed burnt chose to kill someone who had a single vote, and would have known that Snip would get it.

2 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Snip!  You or someone you know killed Burnt!  Why?

This I would also like to know Snipexe.

I feel like I'd honestly rather not vote on any of the constables. We can live with 10-15% uncertainty in results for a little while. Rereading the writeup, because I'm sure that Joe left clues in the writeup, Wilson could well be the culprit, given that Altea survived a sip. I feel like Joe'd also do so to mess with Wilson. But as Wilson's PR Agent, I am not willing to actually put a vote on her in this game.

With only a few hours left, I want to poke the inactives:  @Bugsy,  @Arraenae, @Rathmaskal 
 
Rathmaskal - you've been on since cycle started? Any thoughts at all?

Alright, some vote tallies:

Lynch Tally
Bard (0): Drake{1}
Con. Joe (4): Striker, Bard{2}, Lumgol, Elandera
Burnt (1): Snipexe
Con. Gaea (2): Fifth, Drake{2}, Bard{1}
Con. Wilson (2): Araris, Ray
Fura (1): Elbereth

Election Tally
Alvron (0): Alvron{1}
Drake (2): Drake, Striker
Elbereth (2): Hael, Elbereth
Venture (2): Snipexe, Venture
No-Vote (2): Fifth, Elandera
Araris (1): Araris
Burnt Spaghetti (1): Alvron{2}

1 hour ago, Alvron said:

Thanks, now I feel really old.  I was driving before that movie was released.

Oh don't worry, it makes me feel old too. But you're welcome.

49 minutes ago, Hemalurgic Headshot said:

Hmmmmmmm... huh? Oh right, the new Governor. Tsk, tsk, so many voting for themselves. A bit conceited, yes? 

Yet, this Haelbarde fellow is humble/noble enough to nominate another! I would almost congratulate them. But what if they are simply trying to set up one of their comrades? Convenient for the Governor to be one of your own faction, yes?

But maybe... possibly... this Haelbarde knows that something so obvious would expose not only themself but also their compatriot? What then, if this nomination is purely innocent without a hint of malice or conspiracy?

*cough* 

I am too fond of rhetorical questions.

Have you not seen Pirates of the Caribbean?

Fun Fact: There are people learning to drive cars who were born after The Curse of the Black Pearl was released...

It's be a *very* long time since El and I played the same game, and it's been rare that we've had an opportunity to work together. I trust her to be a sensible Governor, and she'll do a better job than I.

Why hello there. If I had to guess, Altea Meza poisoned the wine. Could be the corrupt constable, but if we killed her, well, there'd be no more items, right? I'm sure we'd surprise Joe if we Day 1'd the black market

I'll start by throwing my support behind Senator Elentari (Elbereth) for Governor.  

I've time to remove my vote from RayOfSunshine and place it on Randuir instead, but any further thoughts will have to come later.

17 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

*pouts* why d'ya have to drag me out of my cozy pm cave for

Haven't had thoughts i felt were worth posting, though i've been talky in pms

I'll happily respond to any questions if people wanted to ask me stuff though.

Completeness, mostly. I know you're a PM Spider, but it's true that you've only posted twice, and that was Day 1. 

As an aside, did you get notified that I mentioned you? Not sure how mention notifications interact with edits.

So, that's the less active players. While I probably need to do another pass through the backlog, I'm struggling to pick out anything substantial to be suspicious of. There's maybe one or two small things I can look into and think about, but that's going to have to wait till I do another more in depth pass. 

For the moment, I would love to get people's thoughts on Stink. PM me if you don't want to share in thread for whatever reason, but I'd be of a mind to lynch him if he's mostly just had out of game conversations with everyone.

I will put a vote on RayOfSunshine. Of the inactives, their contributions have been the smallest, while their forum activity is high. This is still mostly a poke vote, but it really is past since time to contribute something.  

3 hours ago, Randuir said:

The one thign thatd eos strike me as somewhat suspicious is their apology for their vote on Lumgol. Pre-emptive apologies for votes always feel wrong to me. As a villager, you should be voting on a suspicion, and therefore there is no reason to apologize, while an elim would know that they where voting on someone innocent, which might prompt the urge to apologize.

I apologise oft and easily, sorry. More the issue there though was I'm happier when I've got theories and solid suspicions backing up my vote. Right at the start though, there's no real information, so there's no foundation to vote on. I think it's important to actually put down votes as much as possible, though I also dislike being entirely random about it, which is why I didn't vote last cycle. So I apologised for putting a vote on someone I thought was most likely not evil for a super small thing that someone else had vaguely suggested, because it's then on me for removing someone from the game right at the start for little reason.

Currently in the process of reading back through everything, making some notes. Taking longer than I expected, so I'm posting this now, and I'll either append further thoughts to this, or post again if someone posts beforehand.

Edit:

So, @Burnt Spaghetti, you've not posted since Day 1. Show yourself  

@Snipexe We've not heard from you since your post Day 2 where you promised us more thoughts. Hadn't your time freed up after finishing the project? You managed 5 posts day 1. 

@shanerockes You've posted 3 times Two reactive posts Day 1, and a random musing about the inquisitor day 2. Can you not put any votes down at all? What are your thoughts about the mistborn claim?

@Sart Again, two posts Day 1, one post Day 2, and the day 2 was just a poke vote you didn't come back and do anything further with. Same question, I guess. Thoughts on the mistborn claim?

I don't think I'm actually suspicious of any of you those, but please contribute a bit more to the thread.

Stink hasn't contributed much to thread, but I get the impression he's still active in PMs, not that he's talking to me - our PM sorta fizzled and died. None of it was game relevant though. I'd be of a mind to lynch him if he's be super active without actually contributing anything useful at all...

@RayOfSunshine You've contributed basically nothing, but are active on the forum. No thoughts at all? Again, thoughts on the Mistborn claim?

22 minutes ago, Rathmaskal said:

Vote Count:

• Rand (1) - Fift
• Hael (1) - Bard
• Bard (1) - Stin, Arar, Rath
• Arar (1) - Sart
• Devo (1) - Arar
• Shan (1) - Rand

(As I was typing this up, I kept seeing 4-letter name abbreviations, so I took creative liberty with Araris, Stink, Fifth, shane, and Devotary)

Time left in cycle: ~5 hours?

Yeah, we need more votes people.  I'm sure Alvron is giggling with glee at the potential this lynch has though.

Currently this lynch is excessively boring - no one dies unless there are two votes on them.

15 hours ago, Young Bard said:

"Don't roleclaim immediately" - in response to someone having already roleclaimed when it was already too late, so makes little sense for a villager to say at that point in time, but an Eliminator could be trying to say something that sounds villager-y, in which case, it makes sense to say something like that. Similarly with "RIP Aman. Really wish you hadn't died..."

I've always cared about being careful with sharing information, and as much one thinks that saying you're vanilla (assuming truthful, but that was my gut feeling) seems insignificant, it helps the spiked team find useful roles, which is a bad thing. I'd already commented about it earlier in the game (I think?), so I was a little annoyed they just posted that before anything at all. 

I think the activity of this cycle is evidence enough for why it would have been nice to keep Aman alive.

If you're curious about my playstyle from last time I played, the closest game to this I've played was LG22, where I was Padan Fain, a conversion faction. After the eliminators got quite the beating in the early game, I became a larger threat. 

Sorry everyone, been a super busy two days, and I agreed an hour ago to run an impromptu D&D game in 8.5 hours, most of which I will be sleeping through. I feel bad for not voting, but if I were put a vote, it would be with little basis as I've not been able to give the game much thought. I'm currently leaning village on Fifth and Bard, but that's about the extent of what I have to say. If some convinces me to put a vote down in the next 5 minutes, then I will, but otherwise I need to sleep and won't be back on till rollover.

Huh. I didn't notice Lum had said lives either. My vote was also due to being comparatively low activity - only 1 post up to that point and I didn't care for either of the other lynch candidates.

I will point out though that everyone else had been talking about the number of spikes, not lives, and that Lum says that they agree with fifth. Looking at what fifth said, fifth said 2-3 spikes. So really, if anything, fifth was underplaying the Inquisitor more, only they were actually talking which is more valuable.

I need to think...

1 hour ago, RayOfSunshine said:

Sup guys, I'm here.

I'm vanilla btw. So we killed a misting already?

Argh. Don't roleclaim immediately...

Sigh, that was a lot to happen. I'll need to read through it all again carefully.

RIP Aman. Really wish you hadn't died...

@Straw Is a conversion an action?

Does the conversion have to happen the cycle after a misting dies, or does just having a stockpile of misting corpses allow them to convert whenever?

Edit: Alright, I need to sleep. I'll see people next cycle (probably).

It'd make Alvron proud

(Edit: I had forgotten that we need 2 votes for someone to actually get lynched.)

Alright, if I had to put my vote anywhere, I'd put it on Lumgol. With I think only the one post, I'd also probably agree with Bard that it's not ideal to downplay the power of the evil team.

I do feel a little bad locking in two votes (short of vote manipulation), but I don't care for the other options. As it is, we've a 3 way tie if Aman does remove or sooth his vote... 

Again, I'd recommend everyone putting down a vote of some sort. There's 3 candidates currently, but there's plenty enough votes available to choose someone else. If you want one of the 3 to die, then do so. If you want the tie, vote anyway but try keep the tie balanced. 

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

I really appreciate everyone who supports letting me live (though I do expect most Inquisitors would lean on that side of things). That said, my level of activity shouldn't really be a reason to keep me around. I personally feel that every player can do everything I can do and more. It's only really a matter of time and motivation. While I'm not expecting (or  asking) for people to post 20+ times a turn, I do ask that everyone does their best / works the hardest they can. There's a lot of fantastic players in this game and the Inquisitor only has so many conversions, so I fully expect this game to end up a fun / close one.

To be clear, being talkative and supporting discusison isn't grounds for keeping you around indefinitely. But in my books, without good cause, it worth giving you leeway for the first cycle or two. After that, all bets are off. Just because everyone could do what you do, from what I've seen, most of the time they do not

Edit: Thanks Sart. I'll remove my vote. 

And now I've a problem. I think it's important for people to vote - it's something substantial we can look back on, and even if there's little to go on right now, just the act of how people do vote with such little info can be useful. That doesn't mean it's easy to choose where to put a vote, and if I'm going to put a vote down, this is the last time I'm able to do so this cycle. I'll reread and see if I can come up with anything...