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There is something else different about flying using void light, besides differing rates of acceleration. Each time the fused carried someone in flight it was noted that they had to let them hang by their own weight, they had no lashing applied to them to lighten them. I don't think they are "falling sideways" , like flight with the gravitation surge. I listened to the audio book, so it's tough to find the individual passages.

Yea, stick to the topic!

It did get brought up here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6521-kaladin-the-collector/?hl=%2Bcaptivity+%2Bspren I thought the same as thejopen, these spren are cultivated emotions, and to see captivity spren, you have to truly feel trapped and desperate to manifest them, something Axies, who knows he can get out, isn't going to feel.

All of them I think, many multiple times, except for White Sands, which I need to ask for a copy of. Thanks!

Sweet, always new stuff to find, and that makes sense!

Thought I should introduce myself here. I read this site for a couple years as you guys had so many of the cosmere answers I was looking for. I've been a big Sanderson fan for years and have read all his published works. The Steelhunt led me to become a member and I've started contributing in the run up to WoR. Really appreciate all the insightful comments and serious work others here have done in unlocking the mysteries Brandon has woven into the universe he is creating. Cheers!

Or that Cultivation gave her body to form the crem and Honor gave his to the storm as above and this raised up the continent in the same manner.

Was reading the signing events forum and saw this line in an answer to a question about highstorms "but then he added that the highstorms are a natural occurring phenomenon that were on the planet before stuff started going down." I've also read that the Brandon got the idea for highstorms from Jupiter's great spot. So, could the secret simply be that the highstorm existed in a relatively stationary spot and the continent then formed from the crem layered down below, giving it it's symmetrical spiral shape. When Honor arrived he expended power to joint with the storm and move it off the land mass to make an environment humans could live in, and so have his body became tied to the storm?

Sweet! I had hoped spren were "cultivated" ideas!

The level of thought Brandon put into his systems from the beginning still strikes me as remarkable, especially when you see ideas like this run though works written so far apart. So, this issue as been unclear to me for a long time. If you can take a person's spirit from them by force with hemalurgy, what does this say about what makes up a person in the cosmere? It sounds like hemalurgy severely damages or destroys the spirit, not like taking DNA from cells from a mouth swab, but more like taking DNA by taking the whole head off. Does the remaining spirit stay "alive," and can it "heal" or does the person who had his spirit ripped to shreds by hemalurgy or Odium, or perhaps a shardblade, cease to exist? If you are a steel inquisitor, are you an amalgamation of spirits made into a new whole, or does the process simply add abilities? In WoR, it seemed that Hoid was suggesting non-existence as the end of severe spirit damage, as he says that if Odium got ahold of him, "then I become nothing - a soul shredded and broken into pieces that cannot be reassembled." But if this is true, than isn't Hoid wasting his time trying to reassemble Adonalasium as Odium has been shredded or splintered so much of him or it? Does this mean that the splintering Odium does is permanent? Is it in all three realms? Any clear ideas or WOBs on the subject?

I think the idea of a similar jumpstart for the other heralds makes a lot of sense. Shallash's may be jealousy over seeing Shallan welcomed as the new Shallash.

I had the same thought about Taln and posted it here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6464-talenelelins-madness-wor-spoilers/

I had the same thought as Grinachu, and to me Elkohar seems to fit the type of the broken individual putting on a brave front and propping himself up with lies. RE: the liespren leaving when Kaladin showed up, I wondered if a liespren would hide if his own kind showed up, and that info would a useful insight into spren politics, but it never got addressed. And there is just no way we're throwing a desolation and having only one spren per order RSVP to the party. I think this is even more true now that such an influential Spren as the Stormfather, who tried to stop Syl from crossing over, has let himself be bonded.

I think the structure of this theory nicely puts together what we already know and should be the working voidbinding theory. But we have so little info now, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point in arguing too hard for which forms fit where or which unmade are the equivalent of heralds for each order until the next book.

I emailed Brandon a long time ago, asking about whether is the spiritual or cognitive aspect that is affected by such things a Shallan taking a "piece" of someone when she draws then, or Cusicesh "draining" those nearby. Or, as you say what is happening with hemalurgy, or shardblades, or the forging of the Emperor's "soul." Unfortunately, the words soul and spirit mean different things to different people, someone may mean spirit or the spiritual realm when they say soul, or they may mean the mind, will and emotions, which would correlate to the cognitive realm. We need to ask the question in terms of the cosmere terms of the physical, cognitive and spiritual realms. Haven't got an answer yet and haven't found one on the forums. If it has been answered, I'd love to hear from some of the site gurus and linkmasters. It's the one question I will ask if I can ever get to a signing, and if it gets RAFOed, I'll try to rephrase or ask a subset of the larger question. Sadly, my 24 hour shifts fell on the signings near me recently.

I guess a lot depends on whether spren are pre-Cultivation or not. I like the idea that ideas in the cognitive realm were "cultivated", or delveloped into spren, and this may be part of why Wyndle, a very knowledgeable spren, calls Cultivation/the Nightwatcher "mother." Not sure however how that would fit in the timeline of the development of the giant crustacean life on Roshar, that according to a WOB, require spren to exist. Then again, once you throw magic in, creatures no longer need an evolutionary timescale to develop.

Has anyone commented on the fact that in the original map of Roshar, made in Gavilar's day, the compass rose is in the shape of the cymatic pattern of the fracturing of the shattered plain, not discovered, or rediscovered until Shallan's map of the shattered plains?

Yes, we have a WOB that Hoid is not a Sliver.

If shardic intent has long ago overcome the personalities of the ancient shard-holders, as we see with the kind of being Ruin led Ati to became, after starting as a kind and good man, then what kind of being is Cultivation now? If Cultivation is akin to development, the seed that she develops into a full formed plant could be of Honor or Odium, and she may not be concerned which, as long as working with that power allows her to follow her shardic intent. A bitterness can be cultivated into a life consuming hatred just as an honorable intention can be cultivated into a life of self-sacrificing courage. So, if she took the powers of honor and merged them with her own to own to develop/cultivate them into surgebinding, wouldn't it make sense that voidbinding is the fruit of the same kind of partnership with Odium. A recent post started developing the details of the system of voidbinding, and the question comes up, who is the woman, half in light and half in dark on what seems to be the voidbinding chart. I would say it is Cultivation. If she has fully embraced her shardic intent, this would explain why she remains alive, she may have no qualms with working with Odium. It may now all be the same to her, what kind of power she cultivates, develops and grows. It also may explains the nature of the Nightwatcher's, (what most seem to agree is likely her Spren) blessings and curses. If the powers she cultivates are of Honor and Odium, then what she brings to fruit must contain those two equivalent sides. I was originally a believer in the love triangle theory, (and thought I started it, but in searching, others came up with it before me) that when Culitvation chose Tanavast, the thwarted Rayse took up the Odium shard and followed Tanavast and Cultivation to this system in the hopes of doing in Tanavast and getting the girl. And this may end up being right. But what I originally pictured of the heartbroken Cultivation dealing out curses with her blessings to those rotten humans whose broken pledges were the deathblow to her partner, doesn't fit with what we know of the ancient shard-bearers. in thinking more about it, shardic intent likely now rules the actions of the shard-holders and the being Cultivation would likely not have any qualms about working with the murderer of her former lover.

Cool Argent. My first thought when I saw the golden hair color and Ym living there talking about their belief that is their 4th land was that they have the royal locks in their genetics and they have migrated from Nalthisand Adonalasium would be reforged in the "7th land." I believe I then saw something where Brandon said yes, there is a connection with the hair color. But now I've searched the forums and see this ground has been well covered, so we'll see.

Impressive theory. When I finished what we have of Liar of Partinel, I thought Yolen must have been site of the shattering of Adonalasium and it was the 16 shards, fallen to the planet, that created the safe zones and it was the destructive/shattering power that left the skullmoss behind. But it seemed as if Brandon's characters, and so perhaps he himself thinks, that any god who could be shattered is no God at all, so a powerful construct, made in the image of the "God Beyond" could make a lot of sense. Nice job!

It seemed to me that Ym's religion is telling the story of Adonalasium, who was One, but was broken up. Those pieces gave part of themselves to create various species of humanity and someday the pieces, and their experiences will be rejoined.

11thorderknight's theory fits with what we know. Which makes the fact that Taln gets locked up as a madman all the more tragic. Hopefully Amaran shows his excessive devotion to Vorinism by helping bring Taln recover. The glimpse we had of Taln catching the blow darts seems to point to how to do this, get him to break out of the mental loop he's stuck in by getting him into the action of defending people from the desolation, and watch him come back to himself as a voidkicking Herald. He always succeeded in the past in fighting where it was the thickest, where it seemed like hope was lost.

Not earth, but plenty of clues that Roshar has been a destination for many species of humans, but not their homeworld.

From the way you seem to rotary dial your destination and turn the shardblade to activate, if a gate is open at the other end, it looks like you can go to any of the 10 Silverage kingdom capitals + Urithiru from any gate.