Araris Valerian

That makes sense. I guess my take on it is that elims are already in the mindset of doing "fake analysis", so including themselves in a post like that would be easy.

@Cadmium Compounder I'm not sure how useful or honest it is to out yourself down in any of your suspicion lists, since you know your own alignment.

I just wanted to make sure that a converted Seeker wasn't taking advantage of a revealed role.

@Mailliw73, can you confirm that you deactivated your coppercloud last cycle?

I think Nohadon and STINK are probably village due to their extreme inactivity. I started to be suspicious of Jondesu because of his activity pattern, which could have caused a failed N2 kill. He also hasn't contributed that much to discussion. Of all the votes during Itiah's first lynch, I find Mailliw's the most suspicious: Sorry, I mean to tag @Ookla the Lumgol instead of CadCom, got the messages mixed up in my mind. And woah, now we’ve got a lynch train going. I’m not really sure where this entirely came from but I do see the reasoning behind it. I don’t agree enough to join it, and I am definitely more suspicious of CadCom now. I’d especially like to hear from Gancho if he knows when the scan took place? If it was N2 as well, I’ll probsvly remove my vote. If N1, I’m going to stick to it. Araris. I'm not quite sure what people find suspicious about me in this lynch, since my vote on Cadcom happened before Itiah was a lynch option. The second one I come off a bit worse on, and I'm honestly surprised at myself for not voting for Itiah in retrospect. If I get lynched this game I feel my vote that cycle justifies it :/. I just noticed that right after we lynched Itiah the first time, Rath posted a list of players he thought likely to contain the Seer, and it doesn't have Itiah in it. That could be oversight, but it seems odd considering that anyone with an extra life is a reasonable suspect for Seer. I think I'll vote on Rath. I don't think anybody picked up that his analysis didn't include anything about the previous lynch, which seems elimy to me. He also did a large analysis post this cycle but didn't back it up with a vote. No hard feelings if I die, since I probably deserve it for my Snipexe vote.

I'm going to try and make a post similar to what Mailliw has here, but I'm going to be busy with church and family stuff so I don't know how late in the cycle I'll get it posted.

Why does everyone keep saying we have a Coinshot?!? I'm pretty sure we don't. I'd bet nobody was assigned the role.

Well, I seem to have arrived late to this party. We've still got ~90 minutes before rollover, right? I'm kind of confused by Itiah's vote this cycle, since it isn't really doing anything. If Itiah wasn't up for the lynch then I'd probably read that as inexperienced village or elim, but it seems more like a village move here. I've expressed suspicion of Snipexe before, and find it odd that when the vote was tied between him and Itiah, a relatively large swing followed. If Jondesu was relevant in this lynch I'd probably go for him.

I'd guess that we just don't have a Coinshot. Also, how is a Smoker any more useful to the village in this game than in other Scadrial games? Edit: I'll have no internet access for the next 36 hours or so, but I should be back on roughly 5 hours before the cycle ends, so I'll vote then.

In retrospect it is a bit misleading, but it was not intentionally that way. I used the vote count to inform my own vote, and then just forgot to update it. It's interesting that Fura and Cadcom both have been scanned village but seem averse to lynching Jondesu. Not sure what I make of that.

So I guess I should probably retract from Cadcom if he was scanned village. Although isn't everyone in this game an obligator? I'll vote on Jondesu since he has reappeared and his activity pattern could explain the lack of a kill last night.

Current Vote Count: Snipexe (1): Araris Araris (1): Mailliw Devotary (1): Alvron Jondesu (1): Devotary Cadcom (1): Fura Lumgol (1): ITIAH STINK (1): Aman Gancho (1): Cadcom @Amanuensis, you haven't really missed anything. We've had 2 mislynches and no night kills by either village or elim, so everyone is really reluctant to commit to a lynch. I'm going to move my vote off of Snipexe, who doesn't seem to be around, and onto Cadcom. My reasoning is that Cadcom is the only player who has voted after being voted on this cycle. That would make sense for an elim that wanted to reduce the random odds of being hit by the lynch without drawing attention to themselves by dooming another player. Having lots of single votes is helpful to the elims because they don't have any need to engage in discussion. Every post seems to be some form of "I have no idea what is going on" with a possible "here is a vote on some random person I don't actually want to kill," with the exception of Mailliw's vote, which at least seemed more sincere to me. We need people to take sides on things.

I suppose a vote on me is better than no vote at all :/.

So the cycle has been going for over 24 hours and I'm the only player that has a vote. If we assume 3 elims, then we might as well treat this as a regualr D1 cycle and start killing each other like normal. @Jondesu, I din't realize my gaze was so intimidating

I guess I was strongly reacting to the strong wording in your post. I understood you to be implying that it is urgent that the aforementioned roles get their information to the thread. I usually find that players are their own best judge of when to reveal info to people, and that coordinated plans involving role reveals don't work unless the game is inherently unbalanced. On the whole PM safety thing, I agree that there can be a legitimate playstyle that helps the village that involves being somewhat open with your role in PMs. I also think that some (or even most) role reveals aren't thought through very well. I just like to maintain my position so that people will have second thoughts about revealing. My goal is/should be encourage thoughtfulness, rather than railroad everyone everyone into being the same as me. So apologies if I come off that way, and I henceforth maintain the above position. Specifically here, I don't think there is too much of a strategic problem with the Soother's/Rioters revealing information. The main risk is the Seer using that knowledge to convert a team with lots of vote manipulation, which isn't really that bad if we can find them quickly. I think Seekers and Coinshots are much more powerful roles for both alignments and should take more consideration into giving information, either directly or indirectly. I think the fact that there are two elim actions that can remove useful village roles in this game is something that weighs against role reveals more strongly than in other games. This is of course balanced somewhat by the possibility to catch the seer early and limit their conversions, as well as the possibility of people hanging on to important information getting converted before they reveal it. The only role reveal I don't have reservations about is a Thug that survived the elim kill. That would remove any need to focus on inactive players from the first 2 cycles if the claim was true. Said Thug would also not be giving any new information to the elims.

We don't know there is a Coinshot. Nowhere do the rules state that all roles are included. As for what Alvron posted, I'm still against mass role claims. The Seer almost certainly has another conversion or two, and also is able to kill people (in theory). If the lack of a kill was caused by inactivity, then presumably the converted player was active D1 to draw attention to themselves. That player would then have been inactive N2, and possibly D2 as a result. Everyone posted D1 except the following: STINK, Gancho, Nohadon, Coop, and Lumgol. These are possible Seer candidates if the Seer was inactive N1, causing the lack of a N2 kill. That means that the only living players that posted D1 but not D2 are Jondesu and Rath. I'm also fairly suspicious of Snipexe for his vote on Walin, which was pointed out to have bad justification. I'm not going to start out with a vote on an inactive player, since that won't generate much discussion, but if Jondesu or Rath reappears then I'll be watching them. So I'll vote Snipexe. There was no worry of a no-lynch going through (sort of impossible this game), so why vote Walin instead of one of the other 3 people that had a vote? (Not saying that an answer to this question will cause me to move my vote)

Well, maybe we should start looking at the players that are pretty inactive.

I’m goin to vote alongside Alvron on Ookla the Walinevitable, so that somebody dies that is not random. Like I mentioned, I’ve been really busy, so I don’t have any justification at all for the vote.

I'm probably going to be somewhat quiet this cycle because I have grad school applications to submit and finals tomorrow.

I would certainly vote for someone advocating role reveals in the thread.

I'm not sure how sharing roles in the thread will force the Seer into a corner. Presumably the Seer has some sort of plan for conversions that doesn't rely on role information at all. Thus, they could use that plan regardless of what roles are/aren't revealed in thread. Also, the Seer doesn't just convert. Everyone revealing would let the elim team know precisely who to kill to cripple us.

I feel somewhat obligated to say that the discussion about roleclaiming makes me somewhat uncomfortable. I would think that giving out information to all and sundry should wait at least a few cycles until the Seer has burned most of his/her atium beads. Something like Mailliw claiming Smoker is more helpful to the Seer at this point than to us in my opinion. Now it doesn't make too much sense for Mailliw to be the Seer, but I can totally see someone like Ookla the Heretical fishing for a Seeker convert early to inform further conversion decisions.

I'll sign up as Ookla the Inherited.

@xinoehp512, I probably would have gone after you more if two members of my House hadn't already been elims. It also wasn't too hard to have the highest reputation when the elims killed off all my competition :D.

I did like my prize :).