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I wasn't even touching miles there, that little possibility was completely irrelevant to him. Truth is that we still don't understand properly how gold works. With appropriately huge quantities of Feruchemical gold over an extended period of time it might be possible to subtly change your base state that Feruchemical gold restores you to. The thing that still gets me about it is the fixing of limbs cut by a shardblade. I was fairly sure that the shardblade caused spiritual damage not physical meaning Feruchemical gold could restore spiritual as well which would leave it open to all kinds of possibilities. Have we got any further detail on that?

I think it's also possible that it would take substantially more gold to eject the metalminds using it than to have them cut out then heal the wounds. Your still going to have to heal roughly the same amount of injury either way but getting them removed surgically you don't have to waste Feruchemical gold pushing them out.

Hrm that could be a tad difficult to do. Because the bullets are still going to have to pass through the bubble at some point and are going to deflect at that point. Making it dangerous for the slider and anyone else in the bubble.

Actually that's something I have been curious about. Have we got any confirmation on if lightweaving is similar on Roshar and Yolen, or the same? (Similar could be just a different focus or a little different in operation.)

I think it would be more of an asymptote, getting closer and closer but never quite reaching it.

Yeah Kelsier wouldn't have met Hoid before he used him as an informant that one time. I am guessing it was sometime while he was holding preservation's power that he discovered more about Hoid. Yeah, I reckon that breeze's instruction, combined with her own instincts would have been what alerted her.

Interesting Idea. It would make some sense if copper blocked it but if that were the case she wouldn't have sensed it unless it was stronger than her copper and she felt it anyway. Bronze is more possible but I don't think that's the case. That sounds like having a similar effect to what can be accomplished with emotional allomancy. Given that people can recognize when their emotions are being effected by allomancy. By that logic a sufficiently aware person (like Vin) could potentially recognize, perhaps not how they were being manipulated, but that there was *something* strange going on.

Ah right. Thanks for the confirmation/clarification. Knew there was something about that but had forgotten whether it was confirmed or a theory. Another possibility: unless Hoid was using lightweaving at the time he would actually look subtly different than Scadrian natives. Being technically of a different race. Or perhaps he *was* using lightweaving to make him look like a Scadrian but she noticed something subtly wrong or different as a result of the lightweaving thanks to her tin and unusual allomantic strength and instincts. That quote seems to support that hypothesis.

I thought it was confirmed that it was actually Kelsier. Who apparently doesn't like Hoid very much. I don't have time to do a proper search for the quotes atm. Can someone else confirm/deny this?

Interesting ideas. Though about turning you or someone else into a seer. I have always thought that the allomancy granting alloys would only contain small amounts of lerasium compared to the metal it was alloyed with, so as to make it feasible. My general assumption has been requiring a 1/16th the amount of lerasium that it would take to make a full mistborn. Thinking about it that doesn't quite cover it. I guess the amount of lerasium would determine allomantic strength? (I get the feeling that has been confirmed true or false before.) Anyway, would still be guessing that you would need a notably smaller quantity of lerasium in one of those alloys to create a misting of the same strength in that single metal.

Was searching for the Q&A to find a reference to my earlier post, then remembered that it was actually on the most up to date allomantic chart. Just read the god metal section in the bottom right. http://mistborn.wikia.com/wiki/File:Table_of_Allomantic_metals.jpg Though we could have told that Atium was mental/temporal just by its effect: It allows you to see slightly into everyone/thing nearby's future and expands your mind to deal with it. Agreed. Particularly given that we know ruin had patience to wait if he needed too. Even his original deal with preservation was going to be a very very long time before he got his end of the bargain...Which he didn't quite. He waited untold millenium and never got his end of the bargain..that's kind of sad. (Yes I am spending a moment feeling sorry for ruin).

Ok, on that one I think there might be a couple of atium/lerasium alloys. Mostly Atium with a little Lerasium might make a mistborn slightly more powerful with atium, or, it might turn them into a powerful seer instead. It is quite possible that there are other alloys: stuff we do know. Atium is mental/temporal/external and lerasium is physical/enhancement/internal and that both of them pass some of those qualities onto their alloys (of which they have multiple with each metal). This can be seen in Malatium (gold/atium alloy) as malatium is an external metal directly opposite to gold. An old common theory for what a more proportional alloy of the two would do is turning you into a feruchemist, but I don't so much think thats the case now.

Fairly certain that Lerasium is a complete overwrite. We get some details of how it works from the MAG. From that, for a mistborn to burn a base lerasium alloy might be a very bad idea. It also talks about a misting burning a lerasium alloy for their metal. In game terms it would increase their rating with the metal by 1. So essentially it is making them have the strength of a generation 1 allomancer. So I think you are correct in saying that this would apply to mistborn burning lerasium.

Welcome! Yay, another person who thinks mistborn is the best Brilliant characters. Stormlight is gearing up to take that crown though.

Welcome! Yeah, we try to ignore the pain of the wait by lots of theorizing and on very rare occasions we get it right Look forward to hearing your ideas.

Ah right. Thanks for that =)

Found it! http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27hemalurgy%27 number 26. Not certain how everyone works it. Pretty sure Phantom has a coppermind Personally I just remember facts from the many Q&A's of his I've read and try to remember the wording and google it to find the quote. Hmm, true, it would probably be impossible for anyone tapping substantial amounts of gold to become a savant. Honestly, it felt kinda weird to me that mistborn couldn't become savants in the MAG. The reply from the crafty guys in that forum was helpful about a number of things but still left it unclear if balance was the only reason that rule existed or if it was a canon thing.

heh, very true. Hmm, I would guess that there were some changes between desolations, and from that quote before if Nohadon in that vision is to be believed Odium was closer to winning each time. However, we come to this nebulous thing about "rules" which we know nothing about. Was there a limit of 100 desolations? probably not. But, how much direct impact can Odium actually do? Obviously something, but maybe not very much, cultivation is presumably still around and blocking him from major works. He may only be able to make minor changes, but does get to decide when to launch the desolation. Maybe the Heralds still have to fight there way out, but the opportunity to do so only comes when a desolation is about to come. So 1 person fighting their way out would likely have more difficulty/take longer. A win situation for these people? Well, if enough of them survive this last one to rebuild at all, they win For that to happen I strongly suspect that Odium (well, whoever holds the shard) will have to die for that to happen.

Welcome! Your going to enjoy Alloy of Law when you get to it =) Whats this "wasting time" business!? Spending hours discussing theories with almost no evidence except that they're convoluted and awesome couldn't ever be a waste of time

As a quick note: the lord ruler is probably not a savant. We have been arguing back and forwards whether mistborn can become savants on the craft forums as the rules for the MAG actually state they can't. As a quick summary, WoB is that the lord ruler was "Near savant in every metal". Which implies that he wasn't actually a savant in anything. Because of all this for the time being my theory is that being a savant results in changes to your sDNA that cannot happen if your sDNA is cued to mistborn. More details on the discussion (and other lerasium discussion) here: http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=7467.0 I personally have wondered for some time about his allomantic strength. He could get the powerful steel/iron easily through tapping weight. But things like his enormously powerful soothing are harder to account for, even given he was initially powerful and has spent 1000 years practicing. It was confirmed in at least one place (can't find the quote sorry) that the lord ruler also benefits from heamalurgy, in fact that the bracers that pierced his upper arms were haemalurgic spikes (the pair that vin ripped off). Unfortunately we can't really tell anything about what they were as spikes as at least one of them, but probably both were atium as he was using one or again, more likely both, as atium storages. Brandon has said that "he used haemalurgy to pull of his most dramatic effects". Hmm, yeah there was a quote about breaking the Earth's crust. Though did it say that you would need mor eiron than there probably was on Scadrial to do so or something similar?

Pretty sure we never got a confirmation about the time between desolations. However I think anything below 100 years would be too short, might need to be longer in fact. We get a couple of hints from the book, first that they came regularly as you stated. From tWoK (Dalinar's visions): "'They say that each time is the same,' the man said. "We are never ready for the desolations. We should be getting better at resisting, but each time we step closer to destruction instead.'" This suggests that the desolations were always far enough apart that humans, while not having forgotten about the desolations, had lost a bit of focus on them. People who had survive through one were not likely to forget so at least 100 years seems reasonable. A more telling quote: "'I ask myself the same thing. How could we let this occur? The Desolations are well named. I've heard initial counts. Eleven years of war, and nine out of ten people I once ruled are dead. Do we even have kingdoms to lead any longer? Sur is gone, I'm sure of it. Tarma, Eiliz, they won't likely survive. Too many of their people have fallen.'" This gives us a pretty good idea of the scope of the destruction caused by the desolations. 9 out of 10 people dead, and that was in Alethela. While that may have been the worst of the desolations that had occurred the others would not be much better. With ~90% of the population of the entire continent dead it would take hundreds of years to repopulate to the same level. One more: "'You cannot squabble as in times past. He's realized that you, given time, will become your own enemies. That he doesn't need to fight you. Not if he can make you forget, make you turn against one another.'" So what I draw from that is that Odium could have caused another desolation much much sooner but had realized that, given long enough, humans would forget the true horror of the desolations and turn on eachother again. With the heralds abandoning the oathpact and telling the people they won this time would just make it easier for Odium with people assuming they didn't need to worry about the desolations anymore. Pure speculation here. But I think that something that Odium does in the build up to a desolation, some vital step that he cannot skip, releases the Heralds. So he takes this step near the end of tWoK. So why is Taln late? II think it's simply referring to how lon git has been since the heralds were released and how much the kingdoms have forgotten, how unprepared they are compared to when the desolation would normally have come if it had followed the same pattern. Another possibilty is simply that it was harder for 1 Herald to get out than 10, so took longer for him to escape/be released? (apologies for nonideal quote delimiting, uncertain how to box them here)

Sounded familiar and its listed on the coppermind as a 10th heightening power. Unsure if that was confirmed in the book or outside. "A third ability granted is the ability to give commands mentally (Mental Command), although this is said to be difficult to learn. This is the ability that allowed the God Kings of Hallandren to pass on their breaths after their tongues were removed." Yeah, reckon there is a component for each realm like that but "focus" is the wrong word for the spiritual and mental components.

True, I expect that a drawn out ordeal like that would have a fair mental effect as well which, by including both mental and physical stress could make it less likely to cause accidental death and more likely to snap someone who's allomantic potential was quite low.

Why thankyou =) *wears with pride*. I also like this definition of the focus. Might consider the connection between the foci and the worlds thesmelves. Though the details of the connection are pretty unclear at this point. Beyond that, I really like the idea of there being 1 focus for each realm on each planet. It just seems to fit very well with realmatic theory. The same kind of idea was starting to trip around my head when Isomere mentioned the possibility of there being more than one focus active in awakening, though you put it better than I could have. Thinking of 3 foci, for Roshar could actually work quite well: -physical gemstones -mental the ideals (or something along those lines) -spiritual the spren, they appear to operate primarily on the spiritual realm and bonding with a human i expect changes the humans sDNA Nalthis -physical commands (yeah, i don't think colour is a focus, as it fuels it but doesn't determine what you can do, just that you can) -mental intent (fairly sure that was mentioned as being important somewhere -spiritual uncertain, related to sDNA, does having breaths somehow effect sDNA? Scadrial -physical metals -mental how you want to use the power, eg, which allomantic line to steelpush -spiritual sDNA? connection to preservation through it? (not really sure on that one) Sel -physical patterns (both symbols and movements are patterns afterall) -mental design of the symbol/pattern? -spiritual again unsure at this point. We don't know what it is specifically that allows elantrians to draw aons (i think). Although I believe anyone could learn forgery, making it a bit of an oddity, is that correct? thoughts? Edit: In light of this (which I didn't notice before) http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3179-new-info-on-spren/ the roshar bit doesn't work as well as before. Although i still think the nahel bond alters sDNA.

Seems right to me. The biggest question I have about focuses in general, is how closely they are tied to the world in general compared to the people on that world. In other words, supposing a Scadrial born allomancer travelled to Nalthis. Would they still use metals to access the shardic power (focus is set in spiritual dna by the world) ? Or would they use word-based commands (focus is entirely dependant on the world they are on)? The second begs the question of what would happen in space. They would presumeably keep the focus of their home planet. (In these situations, to my understanding, there would still need to be at least a sliver of preservations power accessable wherever they were to use their powers.)