PallonianFire

I'm gonna have to come up with a delicate way to ask about this at the Denver signing. Maybe see if I can lead him into a non-RAFO answer. Cuz I really want to know, now.

I don't necessarily think it was splintered ON Threnody. It could have happened somewhere else, and the people who lived there/worshiped it left due to the cataclysm of the splintering and founded a new world named after it. Of course, this is all baseless conjecture on my part. But I really like the idea of the world being named after a Shard.

Oh, duh. Man, I'm really struggling today. But Ashyn is not. WoB is that Odium, Honor, and Cultivation were the only three Shards in that system, right?

So it really does come down to the question of what Threnody is named after, whether it's an homage to a Shard called Threnody or if it's simply a memorial to the death of someone/splintering of a Shard named something other than Threnody.

Do we know what all of them are? And do we have WoB that there really are ten? I've never heard of that before. 1) Sel 2) Nalthis 3) Scadrial 4) Roshar 5) Taldain 6) Aether of Night world? Vax? 7) Yolen (likely) 8) Braize 9) ? 10) ?

That's what I'm thinking.

That would make a lot of sense, actually. Taldain would be the fifth, once White Sand is out this summer, and Ashyn(?) the sixth, if/when he gets around to publishing Silence Divine. Although I guess Aether of Night is back in play, after this last State of the Sanderson. Hmm. And this is of course discounting planets introduced in novellas, so no First of the Sun or Threnody.

I'm saying that I think there once was a Sorrow Shard, perhaps just called Threnody, and it was splintered, after which some people who followed/worshipped/whatever named the place after it.

The impression I got is that the Set is a Scadrial-specific part of a larger worldhopping group called the Series. I don't have my copy of BoM on me right now, so I don't have the specific quote, but I remember mention of the Series implying it was higher up in the organization.

So I'm in the midst of a Book of the New Sun reread, and for anyone who's read this, you know what kind of vocabulary Wolfe uses. The chapter I was going over today had the following line: Emphasis mine. With my dictionary handy, since that's kind of a necessity with BotNS, I immediately jumped at looking that one up. It comes from the noun "threnody", meaning "a lament." Now, this makes plenty of sense, considering what sort of life people on Threnody are living. But seeing the word used in the context of a funeral, I immediately started thinking about what kind of further meaning it might have for the history of Threnody. The intuitive one is that a Shard was splintered there, but perhaps the civilization of Threnody established itself there and named it after the death of a Shard. If God has divine hatred, might God not also have divine sorrow?

Smh, totally misread that as January 2016. I can number good and stuff.

I thought this exact thing. I can't imagine that Nazh's knife won't show up again. BoM spoilers:

But why RAFO it after he had already answered it months previously? I can't believe he would forget something like that.

...I apparently erased that particular bit from my memory. Rats. So much for that. But still, for the Expanses, I think Densities makes more sense for Sel than for any of the other worlds we know about. Roshar would make sense, IMO, but the Expanses are clearly other worlds than that. Vibrance has to be Nalthis. And Broken Sky makes way more sense for Taldain than Densities.

It certainly seemed clear (at least to me) that where the fortress was was not Scadrial anymore, at least. And the solid geography of it=density. Do we have a WoB that the CR for Sel has the Dor "floating around"? I've never heard of that before beyond conjecture, since the Shards are splintered.

I don't know why, but it's the first place my mind jumped upon reading it. And I feel like it would be a very Sandersonian thing, giving us this misdirection and dropping a casual reveal that could slip by easily.

NovaSeeker:

So we know from WoB that, on the map of Shadesmar we're given in the SA books, the Expanse of the Vapors is Scadrial. And he said that the Expanse for Sel made sense for why it's hard to worldhop to/from there using the CR. I always figured that meant Sel was the Expanse of the Broken Sky (splintered Shards, broken land, etc.), but the location and geography of the fortress and the fact that the Ire are clearly from Sel makes me think Sel is actually the Expanse of the Densities. (And Taldain is Broken Sky, Nalthis is Vibrance). Agree/disagree?

That's really weird. Huh.

Bingo. It would solve some logistical issues with...certain things. Like worldhopping to Scadrial to start religions without ticking off Ruin or Preservation by shoving a whole Shard in their faces.

SH spoiler I feel like Odium is involved, in some manner, though. Just not that he's "Trell".

The fact that the name changed from Trelagism to Trellism and seems to preach something different in Era 2 indicates that it has most definitely been hijacked. This is a tricky one. I'll have to phrase it delicately and ask at the Denver signing. There are...layers to it, though.

And his particular Intent allows him to splinter Shards more easily than other Shards might be able to.

Hardly means it's Odium. Odium may very well be involved, and we already know that Bavadin and Rayse were buds and have worked together. There's too much that makes sense for Autonomy being "Trell". Too much evidence, including a WoB that I got at the Denver SoS signing. Have to wait til June to post my full theory on it, though.