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Kill Ishikk Walin - 8 MeLaan - 10 Truth-is-Waiting - 10 TwinSoul/Prasanva - 10 Drehy - 10

Hurt Ishikk Ishikk - 3 Walin - 8 MeLaan - 10 Truth-is-Waiting - 10 TwinSoul/Prasanva - 10 Drehy - 10

Hurt Walin, Heal Ryan Ryan - 7 Ishikk - 9 MeLaan - 10 Truth-is-Waiting - 10 TwinSoul/Prasanva - 10 Walin - 8 Drehy - 10

Granted. You get pulled into shadesmar, where a Honorspren bursts with stormlight, who then lashes themself into the sky, screaming in delight. You do gain sentience though, but since you already had that, it doesn’t do anything. I wish for a perpendicularity to open in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Yeah, I’m actually really sad they cut the Saturday Evening session though, I liked having more conference talks. But yeah, there’s always something do everyone, I really felt Elder Wakolo’s was intended for me and my family, but there were so many other messages

I forgot about that, thanks. I still think my point stands, in fact, it might even be more likely. They’re all fallible, and since more people are able to accept oaths, the more likely you could convince one of them, even if you can’t convince the others.

It’s all good, I expect this to be similar I don’t think this explanation is even possible, as the oathpact was sworn after the fused were created. I suppose there could be scenario where the fused were given their immortality, and then later given their surges, but that seems really weird. Investiture repels other investiture, or rather, it’s harder to invest something already invested, meaning Odium would have had to sacrifice a lot of investiture, which probably could have been used to make an equal number of new fused with the surges, to give them the surges. Either way, I don’t think this one holds water. This would make sense, but the power would seek outlets naturally using the pre-established system(like feruchemy being established without direct shared involvement) whether he granted it to fused or not, it would still show up in the world in some form. Odium could decide to not grant people his surge, but the surge would show up naturally, which we don’t see. As for his surge being used to make the unmade, I’m not sure we know enough about the unmade. They’re basically splinters, Spren, and we haven’t seen other Spren able to use surges, so I don’t see how the unmade would be different. If the unmade were using Odiums surge, that would suggest that Spren could bond other Spren, yet we don’t ever see any hints of that being remotely possible I think being called Bondsmith actually does mean the same thing. We know Honor came over to Ashyn, so it’s entirely possible Ishar had access to Adhesion. Furthermore, they continued using the term when referring to that order. I don’t see why they would do that if they had different powers(unless we completely misunderstood what the term “bondsmith” refers too) I’m also skeptical of the possibility of being given a surge on Ashyn because we never get any mention of such a thing. Technically Lerasium and Atium are still around, which makes it seem possible that adhesion can still exist. Anyways, this, I don’t think I can answer till book 6. Navani goes unconscious, and Dalinar dies, so we don’t ever get an attempt from a Bondsmith to use an adhesion. Neither do we have a Windrunner attempt to do it. So I’m thinking we’re going to have to wait for a bit before discussing this. Especially since Honor was protecting the Spren and its other splinters, that same act may have prevented Adhesion from disappearing. We don’t know enough here. Yeah, that first part was my bad, I think I was misremembering something the sibling said when explaining why it lost its light. I’d argue that it was mostly Cultivation who had influence, Honor left for Ashyn, and when he came back, Odium came back with him, so I’d understand if it was mostly Cultivations influence, but not Honor’s. The oathpact happened after Odium came to Roshar, there still would have been time for his surge to manifest. Also, the Oathpact had nothing to do with the knights radiant, that didn’t happen till later. And the knights radiant still existed for a bit before Honor messed with it. Alright, yeah, I can see how that would change things. Shifting planets then. Now, we know that he killed Aona and Skai, and the Dor had enough time to invest the land. Now, Odium did have a smaller amount of time, but this is the closest example we’ve got. Odium still should’ve had time to have his surge manifest, especially since he was accepted by Roshar, and he was a pure tone of Roshar, despite being locked up on Braize. This was me not explaining well. I’m not talking about the oathpact, I’m talking about the original knight radiants oaths. The knights existed before Honor messed with them, so while the current system is because of his intervention, there was something before that, different oaths and all. That’s what I was talking about Alright, I can buy that, but then we have problems with defining exactly where something goes from “fair game” to “That’s Honor’s ability” That was kinda the point I was making. Because fallible beings are deciding what oaths you can and cannot swear, they can mess up and accept an oath like this. Either on accident, or because you convinced them to(I don’t know if they could make you deswear? an oath) Fair, it’s really well thought out.

It was great, I liked Elder Wakolo’s talk though.

Can I join that team? It’d be fun

Alright. So obviously, avoid spoilers in dead doc. How are you planing on votes being cast? In the dead doc? Or in GM PM? Will you flip alignments on death? After being revealed Elim, an Elim in the dead doc will have their votes scrutinized and everything. (Think Burnt after we realized she had the stone mask in LG110, she couldn’t really do anything) The main problem I see is a lack of anything for the alive village to do. The idea(as I understand it) works better without an exe, so there’s not really anything for the alive village people to do until people are dead and they have options to mess with the shades I’d suggest maybe letting the people alive be able to scan the shades for alignment (perhaps a role that only activates C3+) but I’m not sure about the early turns. You could perhaps just start with 2-3 people as shades to begin with.

Courtesy of Doc in the dead doc Sadly I didn’t guess their reasoning correctly

Well, the dead doc was close. We got 3/4

Thanks for linking the thread. I looked through it, and it seems no one brought up the sibling or Odium(not in the way I’m going to, at least) So. If there’s a surge for honor, and a surge for cultivation, what about the surge for Odium? He could have done the 8 surges plus his own pseudo surge rather than cultivations. I’m glad you brought up feruchemy. The existence of shards on a planet shapes the magic system. With the Sibling, when Odium got accepted by Roshar, it messed with everything, making it so that the sibling could make tower light, and so they had to leave urithuru. In the visions and the gems that come after that point, there’s never any mention of people having to relearn how to use stormlight or the surges, there’s no mention of a new order of radiant for this surge(if Cultivation and Honor have a surge, Odium must as well) and yet we never have any reference to it. The closest we get is voidbinding and that seems(from what we know) to work completely differently from the surges. My understanding was that the orders were founded, the ideals sworn, and then Honor came in later to change the ideals to match his intent. While I agree with everything you’ve said here, I was thinking of things a lot more drastically. Basically a Windrunner swearing the ideal “I accept that I will never be able to say the 4th ideal” as the 4th after swearing the first three like normal by convincing their Spren that it was the ideal they needed to swear. To me this ideal goes against a lot of what Windrunners, and knights stand for(but if you think otherwise, that’s fair) also yes, Edgedancer Sazed From the amount of threads about this, it seems you’ve put a lot of thought into this, I’d be kinda sad if I convinced you to change your mind

I can agree with most of this, except I have two problems. 1. The knights radiants are based off the honor blades, which are only made from Honor’s essence(Cultivation wasn’t there when the oath pact was made) that means each surge must have, at the very least, a small part of honor in it, otherwise the Honorblades couldn’t have been able to grant the surge of progression. That means your assumption that progression is only of cultivation cannot be true. We get in-world confirmation of this through the Fused, who don’t accept Honor or Cultivation, but accept progression as a surge, but not Adhesion. Going a bit more into this, from WaT, we know Honor messed with the knights Ideals to make them fit his shard so they could use more of his investiture, but we don’t get that from Cultivation, and considering her stance on not interfering with Honors and Odiums frequent wars, I don’t see why she should. The only way Cultivation is involved in the orders is because she helped make the Spren who people bond. 2 It’s all up to the Spren. Every time someone has said an ideal, either the sibling or the storm father approved it. They’ve even said no to an ideal being sworn (Venli). They have control over what oaths you swear, if the Stormfather thinks that an ideal isn’t the right one for you, you’re not saying the ideal. Furthermore, the other spren determine when you’ve broken your oath. Honorspren are the easiest example. Nale even said that they prove Spren are fallible. What this means is that if you can argue something well, if you can make someone feel something, you can swear whatever oaths you want. If you’re a Windrunner, if you can convince your Spren that the oath is right, and you can convince the Stormfather or the Sibling that it’s the oath you need to swear. That’s the oath you swear. so these things may be the common ideals, but a Windrunner could swear pretty much any ideal, it’s the Spren that determines the surges after all, not the oaths. Also different personalities or mental states may produce ideals drastically different from the ones you have. These are my thoughts, maybe you’ve already considered them, maybe not. But I do like the framework, I just disagree with the premise and part of the result

I slept in, and missed the first hour of Saturday, but the afternoon and today’s morning session were great.

Trance rose up to the air, flying over to the goals. He knew how to do this. Watch the quaffle. Don’t get hit by the bludgers, and block the shots. ”You’ve got this Trance” he told himself. Surprisingly, he believed it. Slytherin seemed to be grouping up, with the other two houses in various states of chaos. As long as Orry got some points, Trance felt confident they wouldn’t lose terribly

Trance got on his Nimbus 1999(for cannon reason he can’t have a 2000) and pulled his Hufflepuff jersey around himself. The last day or two was fuzzy, and despite never riding a broom before, he felt surprisingly confident He called over to Orry, confused by the expression he got back, “c’mon, it’s just us two, we got this”

Continuity-wise its Drakes fault and yes, we’re all still dead edit: his fairy powers mess with reality

Actually, we’re allowed to participate, as long as we don’t say anything related to the game. so you’re not the only player on the team. Due to cannon, Trance can’t be the seeker, which means unless you want to outplay the entirety of the other team, you have to be seeker. Trance, who somehow learned to play quidditch in the past 2 days can be keeper

I haven’t heard of it. What does it focus on?

The Bible existed before the creation… then that book went and became human and “died”(how does a book die?)… And then it got written… yeah… that’s too much

That’s…. A very interesting take…. I would not be prepared for that either

Okay, I completely forgot about this song… but, 10/10, loved it. I did agree with it though

I think so

Like I said, I am the best target. Plus, getting any other houses prefect says that they have an Elim in that house. Thats not the case with Hufflepuff