Kadrok

Chromium and Duralumin have effects on your surroundings even though the change is in you. So does Iron for that matter. For the same reason that a Skimmer standing on scales would see their measured weight change, so too would a Firesoul heat up their surroundings. Heat balances out; if I heat up in cooler water, the water becomes hotter. As for them burning up, there's an 'immune to the effects of your own powers' WoB floating around somewhere, and I'm betting Kurk knows where. If not, I'll edit it in later tonight when I'm on a computer. EDIT: (Thanks Kurk) http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=977#30 Except we refine Chromium in real life, apparently with Thermite (not a metallurgist, just going by what has been said)... so how do we contain the heat in real life, and why can't similar methods be applied by Scadrians to a Brass furnace?

So they might not have the Thermite to create the heat needed to make those metals like we do, but you know what they do have? Brass-compounders. Perhaps they make Chromium and Nicrosil with Brass-compounders.

The MAG talks about Time bubbles interfering with electricity in the AoL supplement, if you want another salty snack: Page 206 for anyone playing at home. The MAG and its supplements can be acquired from here: http://www.crafty-games.com/ (When referencing the MAG I feel obligated to recommend it). EDIT: More detail, same page: I think the best use of Cadmium has already been suggested... hire a Nicroburst and a Pulser, and time travel to the Future (you can't come back though). If you need it to be consistently running, have a tube down the Pulser's throat constantly feeding them Cadmium to burn, and give the Nicroburst enough Nicrosil to constantly burst the Pulser. You'll get to the distant future one way or another. I'm considering having my mad scientist Mistborn character do just that (albeit using Duralumin instead of a Nicroburst) to skip to the guntastic Alloy of Law era in MAG.

On the current status of the Kandra and their contract, the Alloy of Law supplement of the Mistborn adventure game has this to say (take with salt): Page 261 for those reading along at home. The AoL supplement also talks about Rogue Kandra who weren't interested in the new contract, and made their own way, but that seemed less relevant given the one we're looking for is an Agent of Sazed. MAG and its supplements available here: http://www.crafty-games.com/

From the Chapter Nine epigraph of The Well of Ascension Hero of Ages (thanks Outis!): For him to learn what he does about "the nuggets of metal in the Chamber of Ascension" upon taking the power, the nuggets would have needed to already be in existence.

My theory was that Lerasium once held a Feruchemical charge, and that those very beads left at the well were drained of that charge by the first Terris Feruchemists. If this is in fact the case, the depleted beads would only grant Allomancy, and not be a threat to the Lord Ruler in the way that concerns you. Still, all this raises the question of how the beads got the charge in the first place, and how they would be so charged again... which is why this is a hunch and not a proper theory.

I'M BACK, AND I FOUND IT!!! For those stalking me and keeping score, this was the conversation I was talking about here when I mentioned I'd disappeared under my rock mid way through a conversation. Now that I remember where I was talking about this... Okay, fair enough; that makes sense. I'll need to remember to postulate in through medium of starting topics. Ooooh, cool. Thanks Tempus! And I'm in distinguished company too! I wonder what my standing is since I disappeared under the rock...

There is a neat little description buried in the "Justice, like Ash" module of the Terris Supplement (page 131; no spoilers here, but spoilers for the module if you go to that page, due warning): So the way I see it, of the currently remaining Cantons: Finance are Bankers and Accountants. Resource do resource management (duh) and probably town-planning type stuff. According to the Coppermind, they also do tax. Orthodoxy are the Thought Police/Big Brother and according to the Coppermind cover the more priestly side of things too. Inquisition are the Anti-Magic Squad, and probably pull SWAT team type work for the rest of the Ministry. Inquisition probably also handle "magical research" as well, given they likely have the monopoly on both Hemalurgy and the little Feruchemy the non-Terris have, as well as the strongest Allomancy of the Ministry. But a lot of this is redundant to what has already been said.

Hooray! People do read my ravings! They are explicitly stated in the HoA epigraphs for chapters 32-24. To be fair, the epigraphs are in world, and people in world (even "gods") can make mistakes... I'm not ready to confidently stride forward and claim that Sazed is wrong there, but that distinction does leave us a tiny gap to doubt in. Someone in world saying something is "obviously" x tends to raise red flags for me, given my experience with Brandon's worlds. Except this objection ignores the difference between the burning effects of each metal. Lerasium's ridiculously powerful "grant full Mistborn powers to you, and Allomancy to your descendants, and also secret *hush* *hush* stuff Brandon hasn't told us yet" also doesn't seem to fit with Atium's "see a few seconds into the future of everyone around you, kind of like external Electrum". I thought this was an Outis/Mac/Darnam(is that your other name or am I confusing things?) thread when I clicked on it for that very reason. I also may have gone "Oh no, Mac's diabolical plan to get the clunky 'system of investiture' replaced with the streamlined 'arcana' is working!"

Not sure if accidentally posted on the wrong topic, or troll to further confuse and intrigue Kadrok...

Exactly my thinking! You don't find Lerasium and go... "I should swallow this strange metal because it might give me magic powers" unless Allomancy is already a recognized thing (or you learn about burning through the Well of Ascension, like the Lord Ruler).

I'm going somewhere with all this... just saving this bit in case Ete'ni wipes these posts... Okay, so I can reconstruct based on all this what Ete'ni/Aetae's post was originally, and I can reconstruct what they were based on context and quoting in other topics like this: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4918-originators/ which is where I came from to here. My question is this... what happened? It looks like Aetae/Ete'ni has gone through and replaced all the posts s/he had made that s/he could find with "-" at sometime between the 11th of June and the 24th of June (the earliest and latest edits for these that I've seen). I'm assuming the negavotes have come since then, since the posts seem quite reasonable. But seriously, what when down? My curiosity over this oddity is killing me guys!

It was quite a nice rock...

Here stands a man who has been burned by poor scholarship before... I completely agree with this sentiment. I'm not here to give an answer, just to "help a brother out" by noting that it's convenient that the MAG puts a limit on tapping, but as is tacitly assumed by your inquiry, there seems to be no limit on what you can pull out of a metalmind in the canon (unless I'm reading this quote wrong): Source (29)

When I first started getting into all this, I was all like... "If I were in the Cosmere, I'd travel from world to world collecting and studying magic systems, and learning about all the places!" And then I met Hoid...

I haven't bothered to read the thread (just the OP), so sorry if this has been covered (lazy much, Kadrok?). I just wanted to give a shout out to my two favourite female villains. Technically they're both from Science fiction, so let's add irrelevance to the growing list of crimes I'm committing in this post. SHODAN from System Shock and System Shock 2 Darth Treya from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 Both the big bad, and both awesome. I obviously don't intend for this to be a counter argument to the OP (that would be dumb... wrong genre, and two examples are drops in the ocean), I just wanted to extol their virtu... vices? Carry on with relevant discussion...

I'm back! I know I've been absent for a while (and I think I was midway through a conversation on another thread when I left; awkward!). I'm just here to post a theory in the vain hope no one else has thought of it before me (like what happened last time...) Onto the Theory/Hunch: relatively recently I encountered a WoB that blew my mind: Source Now you may recall me theorizing back in 2013 that, just as one acquires Allomancy through burning (Lerasium), one would acquire Feruchemy through tapping. You also may recall that the Well of Ascension (and its cache of Lerasium beads, encased in their weird pottery) was formerly in Terris. My theory is this... Feruchemy came from the ancestors of the Terris, to whom the prophecies were given, tapping the beads of Lerasium at the Well of Ascension to gain Feruchemy. Once each bead's charge was tapped, they were left at the Well; either no one told them the beads could be burned (and why would you stick something sacred in your mouth?), or else the beads didn't have the Allomancy charge at that stage. If the latter, it is possible that being left at the well gave them the ability to make Allomancers, though that is just idle speculation, and not directly relevant to my totally iron clad speculation that the beads were the source of Feruchemy. Thoughts? Further evidence? We-thought-of-this-ages-ago-Kadrok-go-back-to-the-rock-you've-been-hiding-under?

I'm going to do the double faux pa of necroing a thread and quoting myself, but... @Claincy: You're still a Worldsinger! COSMERE FIVE (Connecting Roshar and Scadrial)!!!

I see all the "get a call from Brandon Sanderson"'s have been snapped up. Any word on who got them, and how they're going to use them to further our knowledge?

I don't know if any of these have been posted already, but someone was asking for advantages of storing Feruchemically, other than the obvious Iron and Brass ones, and I came up with these... Storing Strength in a Pewtermind to fit into clothing you're too big for through diminished musculature. Storing Health in a Goldmind so you can call in sick to work. Storing Determination in an Electrummind to manage your overbearing personality in specific social situations.

I'll find you the quote, but my understanding is that he basically rigged it so that instead of Cadmium and Bendalloy mistings appearing, there'd be Atium and Malatium mistings. No change for Mistborn. Give me a sec to find it... EDIT 1: Still looking, but found this which partially addresses the issue, and is just plain interesting: Will keep looking. EDIT 2: WHERE IS IT?! I know I've read it somewhere... EDIT 3: FOUND IT!!!! Source: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27mistborn%27 (Number 147) So... that doesn't really answer your question, does it... I mean it does tell you that he did change how Allomancy (or perhaps snapping) worked by "[taking] out..." some of the metals... but it's not very specific. Hopefully someone has a more specific quote, because that's me tapped out.

Brilliant. I love it.

Wrought of Copper includes 100 pages or so of an adventure called 'Justice, like Ash', so if you want to play with a premade adventure, I highly recommend WoC. Plus the fancy metalminds are fun (if numerically inferior to the standard issue) and the descriptions of what it feels like to tap and store various metals could help any Feruchemist players you have.