Hoid Slayer

Lettuce

I think we oughta try and figure out who was converted after we get rid of all the OG elims, mainly using the argument that this way we’ll get down to a single elim faster and parity becomes less of a threat

Now, can someone remind me/explain to me why we think Lettuce is more likely to be an elim over Star when they were both pseudo-elims?

I agree with TJ’s sentiment that Xino would be somewhat OP and that a meta-elim Coinshot woulda taken his shot and not hesitated

Oh and also guys I am officially in full swing vacation so I should have a lot and I mean a lot more free time, probably not for this game cause it’s nearing the end but maybe a little and I should sign up for the next one as well

@Qianweilian I must admit I am somewhat disappointed to have just checked my PMs and found nothing

17 minutes ago, Myst said:

Did I die before I could give you mine?

Your what, investiture?

I legitimately don't know, I haven't been tracking how much I have

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’ll claim the title of Ghost of Nalthis Past, since I was on Nalthis every pseudocycle but never wrote into the docs. Definitely got swindled by both Striker and coco for my breaths, and never ended up with any investiture of my own.

Hey me too!

Waitup, legitimately why does Wian not have a visible role in the AfterPseudo?

43 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If we’ve figured out all the current elims then I’d guess the last one will probably just convert on the way out. Which is gonna make solving functionally impossible . But if not then they probably already used it.

We’ll functionally restart the game, with a single elim

25 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

No kill means that there was a conversion this cycle. Thought there was a chance they might delay it but it appears not. 

I think we should go after the potential Coinshot today and I think that is Qianwellian

ed1t: I will note that giving the elims a pseudoGM AND a starting Coinshot in Xino is also a tad too OP, I might be leaning village by that. And by the fact that they did not use their kill. 

Coco was already dead in the pseudogame, right?

So yeah, Qian

Yip yip hooray

13 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

@coco.pudding @Stardust @StrikerEZ @Qianweilian @Divergent @Hoid Slayer @___ @xinoehp512 @Araris Valerian @Kit_Kat @Questioning Lettuce There is only about an Hour Left in the Cycle, so remember to submit your Action

Broski

Whaddaya want me to do

32 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yeah so why are we interrogating Hopper? He’s dead an confirmed village…has been for a while 

Like seriously what are we doing here

Oh…

Killing you  

1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

There was an error on our end. We are working on resolving the issue.

Ahh okay

Good to know

So that isn’t reason to suspect Hopper

8 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

I scanned Striker and was told only that he was a Newbie (in black text).

Okay, what’s the confusion

That your role doesn’t match up with your info?

Can you just confirm what your role is?

@The Unknown Medallion@Through the living Wahr can you confirm there isn’t a mistake on your part?

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why do these actions seem like they would line up pretty well with a meta-elim who is feeling out what the attitude toward a village win in the pseudogame will be?

Coincidence

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Yeah, yeah. I’m just a little frustrated because a lot of my reasons for suspecting Hoid line up with my suspicions of coco. 

And this is more reason for you to kill Coco over me

Heya guys

As it turns out, I have a confessions to make

I tried to keep this moderately secret until now cause I didn’t want to get targeted by the elims, but TJ has helped me realize it is really useless now and it might be useful information for the village

I am the other PseudoGM.

Cycle 1, I made TJ Tineye, cause I thought he might be the mole and I wanted to incapacitate him without making him vanilla (in which case he’d have been able to upgrade again with enough investiture)

Cycle 2, I made myself Coinshot, with the ideas of:

a) giving myself power, which I like

b) proceeding to claim in the elim doc that I’d been converted to Tineye as well, alerting the elim mole that there was some Pseudo-elim PseudoGM going around deliberately weakening p-elims and hopefully eliciting a reaction from them

Naturally, I didn’t realize about the abilities of a PseudoIM (that’s what I get for skimming the rules) and so those plans didn’t last long

Cycle 3, I made TJ a Coinshot, cause as I explained to him, I liked the idea of having someone I know is good weaponized and capable of fighting crowd consensus when necessary

Cycle 4, I planned on creating another Coinshot, but never decided on who and forgot to put in the order

I wrote the PseudoGM writeups for the first few cycles, before my activity went down

Any questions?

46 minutes ago, Myst said:

I highly doubt both coco and Hoid are meta elim

As do I

For, uhh, obvious reasons

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

That's curious, given that you are the largest suspect for the mole in question.

Oh

And why's that?

19 minutes ago, Myst said:

Well, I think we can reasonably say the GM who converted TJ is probably village. And I’m 90% sure Hoid’s said GM(I have no confirmation of this though, unless he claimed in the dead doc since I last looked)

Hoid has confirmed no such thing

5 hours ago, |TJ| said:

edit: but yes, leaning Qian as the Coinshot over Diver over Mippo

[Verdant, Coco, Qian/Dive, Mole] team

Ehhh, it would be very obvious and suspicious, and the reasoning you gave (if they said they were convinced by your reasoning) would be v v tame

They had an evil Coinshot who was hidden. Why wouldn't they use that over revealing their hand by killing themselves?

I am in agreement with TJ here

2 hours ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Consider them to be dead for PM purposes

That was a copy and pasting error (I was using Xino to get the red)

I will fix it

Wait can we use PMs or not?

I don’t know the rules

12 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

For the mole, I doubt it was Star, for obvious reasons

What obvious reasons?

Who killed Star

And how quickly can we kill them

Wait lemme do some solving real real quick

There are two PseudoGMs

My guy made me and TJ Coinshots

Xino and Myst started out as Coinshots

That means the other guy (Verdance) likely made Coco, Coder, and Star Coinshots

This should be easy

I mean, what is Coco even still doing alive

5 hours ago, Myst said:

Whats wrong with my reasoning?

: )

Nothing specifically, just the fact that you’re a single guy who could be wrong

19 minutes ago, Myst said:

Yeah, we know Lettuce is, and we only need to know one for the exe. The Elim NK, can self target, and then we’re good.

Also, I’m 90% sure Coco’s elim(wow, I’ve never said that before) and the fact that she’s fine voting Mippo is not something I like. A Meta Elim who voted on a psuedo Elim win is fine with any exe other than a pseudo Elim.

I agree with this, but I’m really not sure with the evidence I’m aware of that the meta-elims banked on a pseudo-elim win other than the fact that it’s logical

Can someone other than Myst explain the reasoning to me?

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Well I completely forgot today was rollover so my bad yall

looks like we got Ver anyway tho so that’s good. Took us long enough.

@Kit_Kat are you the one who moved Hoid/Slayerman’s vote? And if so, why?

So Ver obviously changed either my role or Slayerman and TJ’s roles (we’ve established that was the same person, right?). I see TJ has claimed otherwise but there’s no way to verify that. 
Along that thread, what’s the order of actions here? Could we possibly have another new meta elim coinshot running around? @The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr

I like this. (I was already assuming Araris is village but this solidifies it for me a bit.) I can agree on Mippo. Some of what he’s been saying in PMs has had him on my watchlist but there hasn’t really been a moment when we didn’t have a good target. 

Ig the other course of action is going for pseudo elims instead? I could be willing to do that but if we keep getting rid of them it’ll be too late to turn back soon and we’ll have to commit to foiling a pseudo elim bet. 

I do feel like it’s worth somewhat clearing Araris for that Verdance exe

7 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Is no one noticing that Araris just claimed he scanned Hoid as a MetaElim??? We’re just glossing over that??

Bruh are we being serious right now

23 minutes ago, Myst said:

Well, exe either Coco or Ver, I don’t care which

Waitup Coco's still around?

Coco

59 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Additionally, if you don’t want us to exe Verdance, you really need to suggest an alternative. Executions are a valuable resource and executing nobody puts us further from winning.

I get that, and I do have to admit that I don't really have much better suggestions

I'm voting Coco now cause of the pseudo-GM business, but I guess that is still falling into the same trap I condemned with your Verdance train

Still, if anyone is willing to back a counter-train, here it is, I'd trust my Pseudo-GM with my life

I don’t like voting Verdance for that incident, it struck me funny then and I feel like it was too long ago

If we exe people like a list we’ve had since cycles ago, it means we aren’t making any new analysis and it means anything the elims are doing now is slipping past us cause we’re still hung up in the past

So yeah I oppose a Verdance exe

I don’t have any other ideas though

My Pseudo-GM turned TJ both times, btw

I’m sorry for my inactivity guys I really can’t maintain my normal standards this game

Can someone please summarize what has happened to me cause I’m lost

1 minute ago, Divergent said:

Why did you want to try to save Myst again? I saw it play out, but it wasn't very clear to me why 

I didn't believe he was meta-elim due to the fact that the pseudo-elim NK was supposed to be on him, and I was fairly certain that there was a meta-elim mole in the pseudo-elim doc who did not resist

6 hours ago, CadCom said:

Ok. So far, Hoid, Striker, and Araris have all asked if we could, or directly voted for Coco. Oddly enough that gives me townread on all of them. Since COCO IS DEAD HERE. I would think the M!Elims would know that by now and be a bit more coordinated. Even though I have leaned a bit more town on Striker, they're still in my Neutral zone, so I don't know how I feel about voting KitKat, right now. 

@gms @Through the living Wahr @The Unknown Medallion Maybe this was in the rules but I missed it, but after a pseudo-elim is killed in the pseudo-game, do they still have access to the pseudo-elim doc? and can they still comment in it? Maybe @Hoid Slayer or @xinoehp512 could answer that question since you were both pseudo-killed? 

Edit. Can I vote for Coco?

I have access to the doc but I’m not supposed to talk in it

Also yeah @Divergent we’re actively hunting meta-elims, not pseudo-elims, in the pseudogame (I tried to keep up the real game facade a bit but broke it to try to save Myst and it quickly deteriorated from there)

There’s a lot of stuff going on but no real synthesis and so I really don’t know who to trust

I’m lowkey happy I don’t have to really do anything this cycle cause I’m not following this

I wanted to when I joined the game, but ehh that didn’t really work out and I don’t feel like extensive analysis this time around

Good luck guys, someone please summarize for the love of Preservation, and I’ll rejoin society in the meta-game