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Another Kandra with a medallion thought
Underwater_Worldhopper replied to Tamriel Wolfsbaine's topic in Mistborn
In short, they could. They could probably do it without any extra help by just digesting more mass and applying it as muscles, but if they wanted to be discrete about it, they could totally use F-Iron. Really the main hurdle becomes getting bones that don't have prior connections, so something like a True Body, because we can reasonably say that as it stands now, a Kandra could probably use their Self-Perception hack to consider their bones to be a part of them, enough to be affected by F-Gold -
Not everyone can afford to have a Metalmind surgically inserted into their body, and you really don't want to do it yourself. Even just a Metalmind with a small part that pierces your skin, you run the risk of infection, perhaps multiple times. For Era 2 sure, but soon that'll just be an unnecessary expenditure. That's a good idea, but the amount of Aluminium in a mesh just doesn't make enough of a difference Allomantically to be worth it.
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Aluminium is light, and it's about to become very cheap, so I think as of Era 2 it's better to pierce your skin, but eventually you might as well just wrap your metalminds in several sheets of Aluminium, poke a hole in it, and be done with it. And you speak Polish? That's so cool
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I think you're misunderstanding Brandon there. He's talking about surrounding a very big source of metal, a gun barrel, with Aluminium (I just realised us british people spell and say Aluminium differently, Aluminum vs Aluminium, how weird) and Brandon answers that you could stop it that way, its just that a large source of metal like a gun barrel would require an impractical amount of Aluminium (impractical in that it would interfere with the Gun's machinery) covering to make it unaffectable. For something like a Metalmind, especially a small one, you'd need to cover it in quite a lot of Aluminium, but it is possible to make it inert that way.
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I was just about to say, what you said about a Human becoming a Singer needing specific circumstances also affecting this thought experiment, the Kandra isn't actually becoming a dog and losing the ability to shapeshift and such, just that if they changed their Self-Perception and tapped Gold, they could instantly become a dog physically. I was literally coming up with the argument as I was reading your response, how funny that we both ended up on the same point. You did however make some very strong points that are still applicable, like the bones having prior Connections and Identity which could mess up the process. I suggest going through your previous arguments and seeing which still apply, so we can focus on those. I'd do it myself, but I've had a LONG day and the last thing I want to do right now is comb through our discussion of the past several hours. I'd still like to theorise what could be possible for a Kandra with Investiture Healing though (Should we switch the discussion to a Kandra Radiant who has access to Dalinar so we don't have to worry about giving the Kandra F-Gold and how they'd get so much Health stored up and can just talk about how the mechanics of this would work, and then work backwards to apply to it to Feruchemy?)
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I don't think anything that has a Spiritweb complicated enough to hold an Invested Ability could be anything short of something like M-Bot
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That would require a lot of Investiture per spike (Something like unkeyed Dor), and the Hemalurgic charge might just vanish as soon as the Forgery stops taking, and you'll still have killed a being Sapient enough to have a Spiritweb
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I don't recall, but it most probably is. Looking at the WoB, I will admit that the Free-form shapeshifting is an extrapolation so it should be taken with a grain of salt, but I still think it should be possible. They already have all three, in F-Gold, a lot of Health stored up in a Goldmind, and a specific Self-Perception. I understood the "specific set of circumstances" to mean the 'possible something more' you're talking about, which given the context Brandon said it in is most likely to do with a Human becoming a Singer, and that is what I was saying probably doesn't apply to what we're trying to see if the Kandra can do. I can't imagine something so Psychological as an 'Ideal Self' to be tied to your body so specifically, especially for beings who can change bodies as easily as clothes. And Brandon says it should give them a unique edge as Cognitive Shadows, where they wouldn't have access to bones. He also says someone else could learn it, so it can't be tied to changing bodies at all. The Ideal Self is a Spiritual attribute that has to be filtered through the mind to affect the body, I think centuries' worth of practice being other people while also mainting a true identity the entire time should let them change their Self-Perception as they please, and therefore affect their Ideal Self
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I prefer Hunter over Detective, but I suppose something like Pursuer, Predator or just Radar would be accurate too
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Brandon said that the effects of Aluminium generally happen in a field around it, so if the entire outside is covered in Aluminium, and I imagine pulling on the opposite side would require pulling/pushing it through the Aluminium facing you, and the effects take place in a small field around it anyway, so should it not still work? Metal even a little inside you makes the entire thing practically inert, so being mostly covered in Aluminium should work also, right? If the 'field of effect' effect doesn't apply to Steelpushing/Ironpulling, then you'd still have to be a little higher or lower than the Ferring to affect their Metalmind. Alternatively, what if you cover the entire Metalmind in Aluminium except for a few key spots where it can touch your skin? That seems much more effective.
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I believe the specific set of circumstances are specifically about a human becoming a Singer, so it most likely doesn't apply to the Kandra Shapeshifting thing. As for the Spiritweb, I believe it doesnt apply to Kandra. They're essentially artificially evolved Mistwraiths, so their Spiritwebs are already fitted to extreme shapeshifting, and they have Hemalurgic spikes, which makes some holes in their Spiritwebs and makes them even more flexible. And on top of all that, they have extreme control on their Self-Perception, to the point where Brandon said somewhere that a Cognitive Shadow of a Kandra could basically free-form shapeshift because of it (that's actually where I learned about their malleable Self-Perception in the first place). I fully think they have the potential to instantly become other creatures through F-Gold or other Investiture healing. The only holdback I can imagine at the moment is that their Self-Perception is a bit too human-centric, but that can easily change if they start regularly using animal bodies. It really shouldn't be a problem, otherwise if Tensoon in a dog's body were to tap Healing, He'd instantly become a human, which I just can't see happening. As for being highly Invested, that's what the F-Gold is doing. Besides, they have two Hemalurgic spikes already, so they're more Invested than most other natural beings.
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Oh, that makes it a lot more flexible than I thought. If a Kandra changed their Self-Perception into an animal, could they just Tap F-Gold and become full on Shapeshifters (Beyond what they already are)?
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You're thinking of it the wrong way. If a Bloodmaker, let's say Wayne, gets a chunk of their arm blown off, the Health in their Goldmind will regrow the muscle from nothing to match his Spiritual Ideal, which is filtered through his Cognitive Aspect. What Trusk'our is suggesting is that if they change their Cognitive Aspect to think they should have more mass than they do right now, could they trick the Health into creating more mass than its supposed to? F-Pewter would work as you're suggesting, and they could do it with F-Bendalloy the normal—if slow—way, but I think F-Gold could be utilised too, given the Kandra's Self-Perception hack
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Cool!
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Non-God Metals aren't Invested, so I'd err on the side of the first one
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There's no reason that I can think of for why they couldn't Not unless they're very clever about it, because as far as I can tell, they don't have any form of natural healing, they just make their wounds close and heal via shapeshifting. Unless that counts as healing, in which case they could just leave some wounds open to store Health, then close them on their own without tapping their reserve, but that seems a bit too overpowered, so I doubt it. With the proper Self-Perception, I think they could. I actually think they could affect True Body bones like metal ones with F-Gold and A-Pewter too, Self-Perception should let them do it. Probably something like the First Generation in HoA, droopy muscles, weak, etc.
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Very good try. It certainly fits the theme, but I think it's a touch too far separated from what the actual powers do
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I very much doubt you'd need a lot. Vin's earring was incredibly small for a spike, but it still held enough of a charge to let her pierce Copperclouds even when she took it out often and for long periods of time, especially before she met Kelsier and he convinced her to start wearing it again. If that tiny charge was enough to withstand all that Hemalurgic Decay and still provide enough extra power to pierce Copperclouds, I can't imagine you'd need too much Aluminum to make it act Hemalurgically. I don't think the amount of metal is that important for removing powers, as long as you have enough for it to act as a spike in general, provided you have the proper Intent. If it does affect it, I think having too little would make your powers weaker/less efficient, rather than something like stopping some powers but not others. So the same amount of metal should do for both Mistings and Mistborn, but if that isn't the case it should still severely hamper the Mistborn's abilities to almost being gone Edit: Side tangent: Can a Mistborn burn a metal within a metal? Say Vin eats a bead of Bronze encased in a bead of Iron or a bead of Bronze encased in lead. Could she burn the Bronze without disturbing the Iron if she so chose, and could she burn the Bronze through the lead, even though it's not Allomantically viable?
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I keep circling back to something like Sleeper Agent, since thematically I'd imagine it's someone who'd act like a spy, periodically burning Copper to keep from being manipulated, and someone who wouldn't be quite so easy to dispatch or execute if they were figured out, but my brain isn't braining properly at the moment so nothing more specific than 'spy' is coming to mind right now
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Could you maybe get around that by killing someone with the spike and then alloying it into a more ballistic-friendly alloy? Strictly speaking, for mind control you only need a charged spike in the body, so even if the charge is inaccessible, it should still work. I know its still up in the air whether it needs to be charged in the first place, but considering Aluminium can hold a Feruchemical charge, I assume it could hold a hemalurgic one too and that it's necessary to cause the 'lose all powers' effect, otherwise all you would need to do to is stab someone with Aluminium in the right place with the right intent (preferably somewhere where they'd die if they pulled it out, like Penrod) to make them unable to access Investiture. If pre-charging it doesn't work, or you don't need to charge it, would coating a spike/bullet in Auminium technically count as an Aluminium spike?
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Simple question about Hemalurgic tin
Underwater_Worldhopper replied to Mistchemist16's topic in Mistborn
It seems plausible to me that you could, since we know because of TLM that (unless it specifically a side-effect of having a spike in your eye) you can gain permanent Inquisitor-like steelsight without needing to burn Iron/Steel, so permanently having Bronze sense is hardly outlandish, although it might take a bit more fiddling to achieve than just spiking it out of a Seeker burning Bronze. -
I've always thought of Duralumin+Emotional Allomancy a lot because psychology is my favourite field of science, but I really think that if you went to an extreme with it, specifically multiple Duralumin/Nicrosil bursts of emotional Allomancy compounded from inside a Bendalloy bubble (although if you Riot the right emotion in the right circumstances you could probably manage with just regular one Duralumin/Nicrosil blast), you'd likely cause a heart attack or at the very least trigger some form of anxiety or panic attack, not to mention lasting trauma that could potentially result in PTSD like Alder said. Soothing isn't nearly as dangerous as Rioting has the potential to be since you could make someone drop dead of a heart attack with itnstantly, but I can still very easily imagine a psychological horror story with a sadistic psychopath Hemalurgist who tortures people using extreme Rioting/Soothing
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What Copper Compounding does: A theory
Underwater_Worldhopper replied to Mistchemist16's topic in Mistborn
Clever, it opens up all sorts of doors for hot wiring other magic systems, like you said with Breaths -
The Kandra have a Contract with Harmony that let's him take control of them if they break it, right? And we know that breaking official contracts can make holes in the Shards that can leave them susceptible to attack, so maybe a creature that breaks a contract with a Shard becomes open to their influence in a more dramatic way, and only the Trellium and lack of 2 spikes kept Harmony from immediately taking control?
