Windrunner

No I definitely get where you guys are coming from, I've actually spent a fair amount of time pondering, whether emotion is spiritual or cognitive. I don't think there's an easy answer. I do agree that at first glance emotions seem spiritual, however we lack information on what the spiritual aspect of a person really is. So far spiritual power has been simply described as energy fueling magic and Cognition, with no mention of emotion involved. I would also argue that emotion is an important part of cognition, how people feel alters how they perceive the world and what choices they make. Does being a Drab really make them less emotionally intense? I don't remember reading that anywhere, but I could easily have forgotten, I haven't read Warbreaker in a while. Vin doesn't feel the kolosses thoughts, I''ll agree with that, but there are a couple of things to remember about the koloss. They really don't have much going on with cognitive power, their thoughts are rather simple and confused. Also for the most of the book Vin has control of a large amount of koloss, which would probably muddle individual thoughts greatly. Also Vin doesn't even try to read their minds, so it might be possible. However, I'll suspend the argument about which Realm emotion is a part of, and act like it is spiritual. If it is spiritual and not cognitive then it's probably just spiritual energy from emotion that's powering the investiture. When Lightsong feels emotion that piece of Endowment is being stoked withing him, to enhance his aura. I read some quotes and I agree that the Hemalurgic flaw is spiritual in nature, because Brandon actually uses the word spirit to describe it. However, they are most certainly controlling, the Cognitive aspects of those with the weakness, because they aren't just altering emotion, they are actually controlling the thoughts and actions of spiked people and changing their beliefs. I think it's also interesting to think about Soothers and Rioters, they must be using spiritual energy to alter other's spiritual energy.

This database is awesome! The best part is the searching, way easier then clicking on the tabs of the Brandonothology, and hitting ctrl F on each individual section. Great job everyone, this database is definitely going to come in handy!

Yeah I meant the rankings haha, I don't know how I've missed seeing Splinters this whole time! Anyway I'll bet that when someone (Chaos) reaches 1024 Reputation points (or 2^10 or 4x16^2) we're going to discover a new rank

I do believe that the Silence Divine, the book set on the planet in the same system of Roshar, will just be a stand-alone novel, without a sequel.

Awesome, its a good thing I didn't post my list, somehow I missed the fact that there are now both Slivers and Splinters. Eventually we'll get to see all three, what with two or three more decades of cosmere books left to go. Any particular reason that Shard is 128, or was it just random?

Thanks for all the compliments everyone! The very first post or my updated one? I'd like to hear what you find to be unlikely, to better my theory. I'm still trying to come up with a better reason for why emotion counteracts the Hemalurgic cognitive weakness. My latest idea is that since it's a piece of Preservation that is essentially fueling that last step into sentience, when it's particularly active because the person is really feeling something, it begins to push against the power of Ruin that is twisting the Preservation inside the spike. Does that sound any better? I hope you post back here when you decide what you think, it's a little out there I'm sure. Also anyone please feel free to post your own theories about why Emotion and Investiture relate. This isn't just the Windrunner's crazy ideas thread, haha

I think the idea that someone spoke with the Cognitive presence of the planet is definitely worth pursuing. Things that exist mainly in other Realms have made appearances in the Physical. The more power they have in whatever Realm they belong in, the greater their presence in the Physical Realm as well. This implies that something with a lot of Physical power, like a planet, would have a fairly strong Presence in the Cognitive Realm, which is awesome.

This definitely a decent idea. I've got a couple of comments and questions I'd like to say. One is that I'm not sure that Andonalsium was ever "on" a Shardworld, I kind of pictured it as being everywhere and everything. Perhaps, what's left of Andonalsium's body makes up the Spiritual Realm. Also I was under the impression that the Dragonsteel world Yolen is basically the Origin. that you speak of.

Yeah I did some sleuthing and I think I've figured them all out. However, I'm not sure the admins want the list posted, since they didn't do it themselves when they changed the ranking system. Also some people probably want to be surprised. If the admins are cool with it being public I'll stick it in a spoiler tag and post it here, if they don't want me to post it, I'll PM it to you if that's all right with you and them.

Just one question, I'm kind of not understanding what you're saying here, but couldn't the bullet deflect twice, once entering and once leaving? If you say that it has to deflect 40 degrees, then couldn't it have deflected 20 degrees when entering and 20 degrees when exiting. I'm sorry if you adressed this and I missed it, geometry isn't exactly one of my strengths. Yeah I think that's what Brandon met. This hypothetical guy has hours to shoot into there, not to mention a rotary gun that would be prepared incredibly fast compared to people in a cadmium bubble. They wouldn't have stood a chance, even with deflection. And he doesn't have to worry about hitting Miles, because with his goldminds, that guy is practically invincible. There's going to be at least one Mistborn in the Second Trilogy, a serial killer that a SWAT Team of Mistings is trying to take down, Whether this Mistborn is made through Hemalurgy, or he was born one is still unknown. Also there is still "at least one more" bead of Lerasium out there somewhere.

If I may ask, what are aethers? I know that one of Brandon's unpublished books is Aether of Night, is it related to that possibly?

I love this! I think one of the best parts is that every time some random stranger says, "What does your plate mean?" you can shamelessly plug the site, Brandon Sanderson books, and the cosmere in general.

Thanks! I think Brandon really gives a big hint with this quote. It really makes it seem like Shadesmar connects them both. It actually kind of reminds me of something I read. There is a theory or something that instead of the four fundamental forces we have now, gravity, electomagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces, there was originally one force which split into two, then three, then four, in the very beginning of our universe. Possibly something similar happened in the cosmere, since Brandon likes to use science as a basis for his fiction. Perhaps, in the beggining, there was just Andonalsium, composed of pure investiture the Spiritual Realm, who created the Physical Realm, and then the interaction between the two gave rise to the Cognitive Realm? Thanks for the compliment! Sorry for the general vagueness. I come up with my (seemingly) best theories when I'm exhausted, and they slip out of my mind quickly so sometimes I do a poor job explaining myself on my big theory ideas on the first go around. Let me try to see if I can explain better, with a couple examples too. I think that every example of life, especially sentient life is powered by spiritual energy, which I think is the same as Investiture. So by the very fact that these things live they are utilizing some of the power of the Shard that created them to keep themselves alive. Somehow this magic of life can interact, and interfere with other more noticeable forms of Investiture, like Allomancy and Awakening. It's kind of like (I think this is an apt simile, but I'm no physicist so I could be wrong) those solar storms that have happened frequently, that interfere with communications satellites or background radiation from space that (I think) creates static. In magic the Investiture keeping people alive and giving them emotions, and the power of cognition is interfering with their other Investiture they're using. The Hemalurgic weakness could be caused by Investiture in the spike interfering with peoples' Cognitive aspect making the hole. But when the subject actually feels something strong, the hole becomes smaller because their magic of Investiture is firing on all cylinders and beginning to counteract it. The evidence I have that it can actually increase power is much more speculative. When Lightsong feels strong emotion his Biochromatic Aura flares, becoming more bright, and since the vividness of a Biochromatic Aura is indicative of its power, it seems that his Divine Breath has temporarily getting supplemental power from the Investiture of Lightsong. Did that make any more sense? I realize it is really vague and speculative but I hope it doesn't sound like I'm raving here.

Thanks, those are just epic! Did you make them yourself?

Hmm, I've tried to upload it, and I changed both my avatar and profile image but it still appears the same to me. Am I just crazy or did it not change for some reason?

I think one of the most mysterious parts of the cosmere is emotions, and how they relate to Realmetic Theory, and investiture in general. In almost every book there is something interesting going on here. I thought it seemed like a good idea to discuss it. I'll start by making a list of occurrences when magic and emotion interact. Elantris Aona's Shardpool offers feelings of Relief Mistborn Emotional Allomancy - A Soother's Cognitive aspect can somehow alter others' Cognitive aspects Hemalurgy Cognitive Aspect Weakness - Emotional Allomancy can take control of a person. Elend feels faith in Vin, the moment before she starts powering his investiture. Warbreaker Mainly the Returned. Emotion can easily alter their appearance with some self control. Often when a Returned is feeling strong emotion their Biochromatic aura will become more vivid. Also when Denth is dying he looses control of his appearance, his hair starts shifting colors like Siri's The Stormlight Archive Spren are attracted by peoples' cognitive and emotional reactions, thus fearspren, anticipationspren, and logicspren Any others? It seems obvious to me that the Cognitive and Spiritual aspects are really intertwined here. Emotions seem to interfere with investiture. Which leads to one random theory. Life and Sentience are an occurence of Shardic investiture. We all know that Ruin and Preservation invested part of themselves in humanity. When you feel something strong, the magic of Life interferes with the magic of that the person is using like with the Returned, perhaps even making it stronger. They magic can also interfere with the investiture of life, like in Hemalurgic weakness. This would mean that the Cognitive Realm is actually almost an in-between Realm, connecting the Spiritual to the Physical, which jives with Brandon has said of it. Any comments or other perspectives?

Perfect! Thanks so much!

Just noticed all the new rep levels! They're pretty sweet, I've noticed at least four or five new ones and I like it a lot! Great job!

Ok so I've had my avatar image for awhile now, and although I still think its pretty cool, I feel kind of lame using one of the default ones. Since my whole profile is Stormlight Archive themed, and The Way of Kings is basically the book that introduced me to the cosmere, I want to have an profile/avatar image that fits that theme. So I was wondering if anyone knows of an image of the Windrunner glyph, from the hardcover of the Way of Kings, or perhaps the whole Honorblade (that might turn out a bit big though). I'd make it myself but I've no idea how to use those computer graphic programs. So it'd be cool if anyone knew of one that was out there, or knew how to make one and didn't mind terribly spending some time doing it. If not that's cool too, I can figure something else out. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong thread, I didn't know if it fit in anywhere perfectly.

I can't wait to see it Zas. This apparent incongruency between the Orders and spren has bugged me for a while, so it'll be nice to see a potential explanation.

This is very possible. However I do have one reason I'm inclined to disbelieve it. I'm gonna go back to the original question here. Why wouldn't Brandon just say Andonalsium named them all? This person obviously knows about the cosmere and all so why not really give an answer? To me it seems like he sort of dodged the question, granted this isn't an original quote. It implies, to me, that there is a more interesting answer. I've addressed my opinion on this statement before, and I still think it's valid. I'm still sticking with the idea that either all the Shardwords had Pre-Shattering populations or that there is something special about the Shardworlds that caused them to be named. However, as to what that could be I have no idea.

Wait Lord Joshin and Lady Michelle are worldhoppers? I thought that they were just tributes to Josh and Mi'chelle as founders to this site and everything. Could you show me the quote or post where we find this out, because I though they were just a regular Lord and Lady on Scadrial?

So hopefully Brandon will write the rest of the Alloy annotations while the Alcatraz ones are coming out. Does anyone know how many chapters Alcatraz is long? I really want to get to Alloy and the Way of Kings annotations as soon as possible.

I can't speak for you're first idea, not really being into any chemistry/physics stuff but I do have input for the second one. In Brandon's previous magic systems they have all been as close to actual laws of physics as magic can be. I'm of the opinion we just don't understand how it works yet.

One thing to keep in mind about this, is that the Lord Ruler wasn't in complete control of the Final Empire yet. Resistance lasted for several centuries. I would love to rebellion and battle, but if we do it will likely be confined to the city. That's where Allomancy is at its finest, and Mistborn is designed to be urban fantasy after all.