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Different Spren talk about being able to cloak themselves from view, Syl can also show herself to anyone when she chooses before Kaladin speaks the 3rd Ideal. So I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with strength. What interests me most is that Pattern is a Liespren who can't cloak himself, he is always visible if you know where to look.

Welcome! We have had a couple of discussions on this topic and there are varying levels of agreement and disagreement. I like the thought on Cusiecesh you've had here. the Bondsmiths 3 Bondsmith Spren Keep up thoughts and explorations and welcome again to the boards!

Ultimately, Spren and Shardblades are splinters of their particular Shards, with enough Investiture to generate sentience. Nightblood is another example, as are Seons. I like this theory because if Honorblades are Fabrials, it explains why anyone can use them and yet there is no kind or sense from the Honorblades of sentience or bound thought. We've no examples of any Fabrials indicating any form of intelligence to anyone, so far at least. My only concern is that Fabrials mimic or show only limited portions of surgebinding abilities whereas Honorblades grant full surgebinding to the wielder. How do you bond a spren-like level of investiture into an object but not have a consciousness?

I so hope he does this in the SA at some point, regardless of how much Stormlight it uses up!

But the writing on the wall is foretelling the Everstorm, which is of Odium. I'm pretty sure she is responding to that, not specifically the writing on the wall and which Shard may or may not have powered that foresight. I'm 90% sure that Truthwatchers are of Cultivation with their ability to see the future and Regrowth as a surge, which is shared by Edgedancers, of which Lift is now one and her Spren specifically talks of Cultivation as his mother shard. The Everstorm that Renarin's future sight warned him of however is definitely of Odium, and Syl is remembering that as something that is to come and not of Honor and dangerous, which it most certainly is...

I cannot tell you how amp'd I would be if, in order to save someone depsartely in need from Team Heroes, if Vasher sucks down some stormlight and then awakens and fights to save them. Imagine him trying to explain that to Dalinar or Kaladin or anyone else... "Yeah, I'm from a different planet, different magics. I'm not a Herald, promise. Oops, I didn't mean to get all big and glowy like that... *shrinks form back* seriously, not a herald or anything, just a god from a different planet."

Keep heart! I took me over a year to get both books from Team Sanderson and that was well before they were near the popularity level that they have currently achieved!

This raises an interesting question for me. Objects further away from the human form require more Breaths (Investiture) to Awaken, and I'm pretty sure that we know Nightblood required 1000 breaths to awaken, Which also awakend him to sentience. So is it the thousand breaths that brought him to sentients or the thousand breaths that awakened a metal object, or is awakening a Metal object how far from human form and granting at sentients equal to 1000 breaths? I.e. Could you Awaken a humanoid metal form to sentience with less than the 1000 Breaths Nightblood used?

I've always assumed it was because they were in the midst of the Manywar at the time. I'm sure it seemed expedient to use something quickly accessible rather than spend a ton of time and resources fashioning joints and articulation. Plus, while powerful, because it cannot move on its own a sword is more easily contained. Remember that Nightblood was technically an experiment, had it not worked they could have retrieved the Breaths. Had it worked and gone horribly wrong... A sword is easier to defeat/destroy probably than a small man figure who can scurry and hide or a huge statue that might just kill you. I say be glad they used a sword!

i would think also, that the location of the gold-minds would be important as well. if you don't have any on the bottom half of the body, it'd be hard to regenerate that half. What about longitudinal bisection? I guess whichever had more metal minds? The key would be standing there and continually bisecting the gold compounder till they ran out... sounds like tiring work for a Pewterarm to me!

Can I just point out that this sounds exactly like a Shard holder "writ small" as it were? Interesting topic!

Well, we know that Hoid knew both Aona and Skai prior to them taking up their shards and settling on Sel because Hoid was present at the Shattering and knew the 16 Shard bearers. Hoid learned his storytelling craft on Yolen, the original planet for humanity in the Cosmere. Perhaps that particular type of story telling on Sel. Or since it was said on Nalthis where "gods" die all the time in Hallendren, maybe he was just playing with that comment.

it is an interesting observation. I have assumed that he has perfect pitch due to having ~ 200 breaths to reach 2nd heightening. I wonder however if Hoid has figured out how to "modulate" investiture of different types (perhaps through feruchemy) to achieve abilities and effects from other power systems. if so, could Hoid possibly be using stormlight to emulate the perfect pitch of 2nd heightening? Or maybe people just don't notice it around him... have to re-read that section to see if there are an distortion clues.

Jasnah is one of the main characters in the Stormlight Archive books. Just because there are magical powers doesn't necessarily mean that there are gods. In her case, though perhaps accidentally so, her atheism is at least semi-right. Who her religion teaches are gods aren't actually, and the shard repsonsible for them isn't around anymore either.

I would say the only secular magic user we see so far in the Cosmere is Hoid. It's hard to worship something who you knew as a person before they became divine. I wouldn't say either that magic is intrinsically religious, but it is human nature to deify and build religion around things which are "supernatural". So by default I think you'll see religion and magic intertwined throughout the Cosmere in the same way that Earth myth/superstition/religion almost invariably have supernatural elements to them.

That is how I read it as well.

Re: "my brother's work", I've always assumed that it meant the spirit of their works/actions. Ultimately Kelsier's work was to right the huge social injustices of the Final Empire by overthrowing it, seeing justice done for the skaa. Wax in his way does the same things. Also fighting against his own noble born nature, like Kelsier, to prevent (ultimately) his noble uncle from perpetrating injustices against people, noble or otherwise.

I have a few signed books only, didn't bring others with me to signings... I have Alloy of Law, Shadows Beneath anthology, and both Legion books (oddly enough each is #480 of the Limited Edition runs which I just noticed tonight).

Gah! I knew I was missing one while typing but couldn't think of it. Thanks, I'll update the OP. I like this in concept, but then Cryptics would be impossible to name as every second their name would be changing...

I kind of assume, though you are correct that it's not explicitly stated, that she must be holding some stormlight when she comes up. She had just done a "transforming" type experience on Balat to get him to leave the tent and go walk with his later gf, so I'm thinking she was hold stromlight, otherwise what is surprising to Hoid? Even if not Bronze, if he's using Breaths from Nalthis to do aura reading (which I believe will be similar to Bronze in it's ability to identify other types of investiture, though maybe not as nuanced as bronze can be), she would still have to be holding investiture for him to see/feel/id it. What's the other option? He sees Pattern? His glance, to me, its too fast other than to notice investiture emanating from her.

I may be reading way too much into this, but I noticed on my last re-read of the two SA books something that is bothering me. I asked Brandon about it on twitter, whether it was something significant or not, but never received a response. So what is stuck in my head and I can't get it out, is that every named spren involved in a Nahel bond so far has a "y" in the name, and that just seems very odd to me as it's an unusual letter for a name to me. Jasnah - Ivory Renarin - Glys Kaladin - Syl Shallan - "Pattern" (pg 220 he says "name is numbers...". I don't know much about math having stopped at calculus back in high school, but I would guess his true name is some sort of formula or algorithm related to shifting spiral patterns, which will have a "y" in it somewhere! Lift - Wyndle Ym - unknown, but HIS name starts with a Y Dalinar - the Storm Father's real name has not (yet?) been shared with Dalinar. He is calls himself the Shadow of the Almighty though. I'm not sure this is a theory so much as an observation, and I really don't think it has significance outside of maybe silly naming conventions that Brandon is using... just thought I would share and get it out of my mind by writing it down! It will be interesting to see other spren and KR bonds forming and see their names though UPDATE: added Lift/Wyndle who I egregiously overlooked.

I've always assumed that in WoR, that is what surprised Hoid when he first meets Shallan as he can detect her use of investiture and surges

Semi-relevant WoB on this in the Compiled Word Of Brandon thread (see the Q/A from Sir Jerrick mid-way through that post). So Seons would be the nearest to becoming a shardblade on Sel.

I agree with you in general. Personalities being what they are, you will have variation within each order. I guess I'm talking about how their power set fits within a larger scheme for large scale war, like a desolation. Plus, spren are attracted by certain personality/action traits and while orders like Dustbringers may have people with those personality/action traits who are also scholarly, I have to imagine that they are/were a minority. My categories above would be the "stereotype" for an order, and while not generally a good practice to judge people IRL on stereotypes, they exist because there is some propensity to that stereotyped trait within a group. Teft says when Kaladin speaks his 2nd vow: So whatever your skill levels, they will be raised, made better by the stormlight, and the better your inherent skills, the higher your skills are raised, to perfection. So Kaladin becomes the perfect spear fighter with it, Shallan becomes an even better artist, able to exactly reproduce what she sees, etc. So orders that are more war oriented will be more inclined to have their skills in areas of war. More than that though, Stormlight urges its wielders to action, they seem to have a hard time sitting still or not using the powers when they have inhaled stormlight. Maybe that will come with practice, maybe not. I doubt that the Stormlight enhances Kaladin's Surgeon abilities, but maybe that is something we'll get to see explored in subsequent books after he learns to both inhale stormlight and be a bit more passive.

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