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Well technically at the time he was in Amaram's army Syl was starting to bond him, and while he wasn't using stormlight (possibily a tiny amount unconsciously), he probably already had some very small advantages due to the bond, the same way Shallan is unnaturally good at drawing and remembering images. Of course he still did all the things you said and deserved all of it, but he already was a bit "luckier" than the others at that time I reckon. I think it creates a nice Cosmere wide parallaler with Vin's "luck" in Mistborn If he wasn't who he was, his father teachings being a big part of it, Syl wouldn't have "chosen" him, so yes, either way

Well I think people answerer well enough But to reitarate, Investiture, the power, is not destryed but splintered. As proof that powers cannot be destroyed, it is iterated in everything we've seen so far in the Cosmere, literally every series has some level of shard powers remaining without vessel and investiture itself being conserved\regenerated. Nightblood's ability to absorbe investiture is so ridiculous that it can even hurt shards, which is what makes it so terrible an unique in the Cosmere, but again it doesn't destroy power, it's just capable of absorbing so much to even dent the immense amount of power of a shard. Like many,I belive the Unification of shattered shards and ultimatly Adonalsium will be part of Dalinar's, or some Bondsmith's, journey. I do not believe there is any other way to put a shard back together that we know of. You need to manipulate the Connection between the splinters, before you can connect to that immense amount of investiture and ascend. Dalinar would need need to deteach the stormfather's investiture from his congitive presence to put the shard back together and properly ascend, or least that's the way I see it. I think that once he manages to do it with Honor, he could do it (de-splintering) with other shards just as well, regardless of his connections to to those shards. Also, I think de-splintering wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be a perpendicularity or some spren, just that the vast majority of the investiture would be concentrated and tied to a vessel. On the other hand, I don't expect anyone who cannot fully manipulate connection (5th oath bondmisth I would say) to be able to de-spliter a shard, regardless of how well that person is connected to the shard itself. In secret history, Kelsier needed the Ire device to connect ot the shard and ascend, but this was before the shard would splinter. Indeed if Kelsier hadn't been there and the Shard had splintered, Vin couldn't have taken up the power, as there wouldn't have been a sufficient concentration of power to provide an ascension. This is all very foggy of course I'm saying the way I see it, I can see there being different intepretations

I guess there are many ways of intending a meeting with a shard, you might be right it could turn out that there was some event during Odium's "captivity", I don't think there's much evidence for it, and maybe Brandon just thought "over a thousand" sounded better than "over 5 thousand", you should also consider that to Hoid probablty time feels like it does to shards, so from his POV a few thousand years aren't so relevant But if we do assume there was a meeting, I have no idea what it might entail, but this might come up once we have enough pieces to put together what Hoid was doing hopping about all of our favorite books

Regarding Theo, the fact is that we don't know who is father is, which opens up to wahtever regarding his lineage Yeah the Balrog thing, I just think it'd be fun honestly

Rayse was the original vessel for Odium, it's my understanding that all the original vessels and Hoid knew each other at the time of the shattering Adonalsium on Yolen, so it's not necessarily implied that Hoid did go on Braize to meet him, unless I'm forgetting something about the RoW epiolgue. Of course we have no evidence of the contrary so he might as well have visited.

I believe the best way to test this out would bet to get some knights radiant to ingest a bit of their shardblade A short time back I wondering about shardblades vs honorblades and someone brought up how, in WoB, Brandon explained that he sees honor blades -> shardblades -> nightblood as sort of evolutions of one another, so I see it this way: Honorblades: connection to Honor, somehow tied to oathpact, not clearly tied to intent (we'll know more in SA5 probably) Shardblades: Connection to spren, powers tied to oaths, thus directing the intent, more powerful than Honorblades Nightblood: no particular connection(?), intent intrinsic in the blade, which makes Nightblood closer to a shard itself, or anti-shard I guess given what we saw. Point being, I think that as Brandon presents them, we're just talking about highly invested metals with different levels of intent and connections and, to answer your question, the intent is tied to the type of Spren for shardblades, thus somewhat showing signs of the different "lights" they're made of. I'm wondering now if a coppermind shaped like a knife and filled to capacity with investiture would also cut through things like the other invested blades, might make for some very cool feurochemical assassins. God metals intended as the beads of Lerasium I think are just a different aspect of this and more tied to vessels themselves rather than the shard, given the names. Reading around I get a feel they might require a shard's willing action to be created, though of course that's a whole discussion with Preservation's plan in mistborn and Atium. There was already a bit of retcon needed to make Atium work... I just think Brandon is keeping his options open on their mechanics for future development.

Hey! I wouldn't want to spoil things further for you, have you read all of SA? for future reference, it's recommended to encase spoilers in the spoiler tag (eye icon above), like so:

Fun only talking through spoilers spoilers for mistborn:

Not asure about the sliver bit, if you're a sliver that might complicate nahel bond depending of what shard you're a sliver of I guess. But in case we're not talking about a sliver, I believe we have an example, Spoilers for SA:

I find it more likely that the dude on the raft will be Sauron, mischievously planning to distract Galadriel

Hi everyone! So after watching Rings of Power I had a couple of ideas, not even theories as I think there isn't much to "hardcore theorize" on since we don't know how canonic the whole thing will be. I'd like to share them to see what you all think. 1) this one I'm feeling quite confident about: Theo is gonna be the Mouth of Sauron Many people are talking about him being a nazgul, which I think just doesn't make sense, the only way it works is if his father is somehow royal blood and he becomes one of the kings, but even then I'm expecting the corruption to come from the rings themselves, not some blade. I do think it'll make for a good story if he actually ends up being Sauron's minion, and the mouth of Sauron is canonically supposed to be a corrupted human (dark numenorean), it seems to me like it's clearly going in that direction, with the whole think about elves saying the humans of those lands are particularly corrupt. The fact that it's not that talked about makes me think that maybe the charachter is not as well known as I thought, which might even make it a twist for some people, which convices me even more. 2) this is the more fun one, which I'd like to belive: the meteor man is going to be "the", or "a", Balrog I'm aware that this does not canonically work, as Barlogs are supposed to be already on middle-earth, not falling from the sky, and Durin's bane is supposed to have hidden under the mountain after the defeat of Morgoth, then again I think canon will have to be respectfully bent for the series to be good. I'm starting from the assumption that he's going to be an evil character, due to the forshadowing given by Galadriel about "evil air making flames not burn", which is what happens with his flames. Any of the 5 standard sorcerers don't work for me. One of the "blue ones" doesn't really make sense to me from a story perspective, why have a mistery surrounding what would be basically an original character that we know nothing about, it's already happening with the guy on the raft with Galadriel. I heard Saruman as an option cause he eventually becomes evil, but he was white for many many years before LOTR, I think the corruption came afterwards and if he was to appear, he should be nothing but good and white IMO. Radagast and Gandalf wouldn't work as evil characters. This leaves me with very few ideas, which is what brought me to the Balrog. This is mostly from a story perspective, I just think it'd be a very cool twist for the series to convince you that he's a stranger to be helped, he somehow finds his way to Moria, gets triggered goes fully insane and becomes a big monster, and you as the audience think "of course the misterious magic being who came in a fireball is the big fire monster". Besides, I find a Balrog who works to get to Moria and is a character a much cooler antagonist than a Balrog that just waits there hidden in his man-cave what, napping? Again far fetched, but if the non-hobbits start heading towards Moria, it just might be! a man can dream Any better ideas? ah, bonus theory, the blade is nightbood and Theo is actually a world hopper

I really like this interpretation of it actually! Not sure about the last bit about bonding spren being dishonorable, but if we assume that the Nahel bond was a thing that worked in the cosmere before Honor, which does make sense, then the whole thing fits nicely

aaah you'll find that it can be a whole lot of fun to start reading through coppermind articles, just make sure you're up to date with the whole Cosmere before running into spoilers

Hey everyone, I wanted to share some thoughts I've been having, I don't have a theory to propose, but I'd like to spark a discussion, or be corrected if there's something I misunderstood. It always bothered me that the Honorblades and the powers they grant are inferior to what can be achieved with the Nahel bond. My reasoning is quite simple, if the Nahel bond and the surgebinding granted by spren are an imitation of what Honor did, I don't see how it could surpass his work. Furthermore, tell me if this was explained somewhere, but where did spren get the idea for sharadplate, if they're imitating the honorblades and there is no such thing as honorplate? One counterargument to this line of reasoning if of course that the Heralds where fueled directly by Honor when he was alive and thus much more powerful, but then again we can't really trace a good parallal between using a shard tied to a deadeyes, and and honorblade tied to a dead Honor which still grants surges. I think we'll be finding out more about Honorblades in the 5th book, and I kinda think there's something fishy going on. Opinions?

This is what I thought as well, didn't think much of it To go along with the vibration idea, we know that a proper vibration will lead stormlight to move from one sphere to another, and stormlight shold be attuned to the base rythms of Roshar, so it would make sense that the "base vibration" of Roshar would induce the stormlight to leak, while not affecting the decay rate of voidlight.

Can you write that evidence with a spoiler tag? I'm curious what you're talking about

There's still a whole lot of mistery around them, makes sense to be confused haha Sorry if I sound patronizing, but did you get a chance to read through the coppermind article? Those can be really helpful

I also did my first "read" through with audiobooks, honestly I never noticed what you say. In general I felt there were many liberties Kramer and Reading were taking even from each other, for instance I think Reading was doing a more rhythmic reading than Kramer when doing Parshendi. (Reading's last name is making this sentence a bit awkward ) Matter of fact what I remember was that I felt the characters which were read by both actors ended up being a bit weaker for it in terms of audiobook, cause they felt a bit like different characters depending on who was reading; it was some time back so I can't really quote exact moments. This is it say, I personally wouldn't take the readings are clues for unknown lore. Having said that, what you bring up merges quite well with the whole "currupted attributes" theories about how each Herald ended up acting following a corrupted version of their original defining attributes, and I think it would make sense as a plot point, we are presented in RoW how heralds work similarly to spren for certain things, and we've talked about corrupted spren a whole lot, I can see voidlight curruption being part of their madness, though I don't think it could be part of the torture, as they got "very mad" while they were on Roshar. Another thought on the topic is that in the Cosmere in general beings that go on living to long tend to go insane, so I can see oaths and Connection acting as a shield for them from this issue.

This line of reasoning doesn't really work for me, we know that what spren can do can easily be limited by what the radiants think they can do This seems like it would be a "legal" way to dual wield without beinding anything we know so far, makes sense to me that it'd work. Though now I just can't wait to see a radiant wielding nunchucks now

Hey there! This sounds like a very brandoninan thing way to evolve the plot and I agree that in general in Brandon's work "evil" characters are not purely evil but tend to have motivations. Buuuut I don't think we'll have such a 180 as you're impling on Odium, even Harmony states that he is worried (as much as a shard can be) about Odium's actions, and I feel like Harmony is as a reliable and knowledgable a narrator as we can get in the Cosmere. Here's the letter I'm referring to. I really think Odium just wants to have unlimited power so that he can freely engoulf the Cosmere with his 'Passion', which may not be evil per se, but I think it will generally be considered evil for our POV characters. Specifically about your theory, Odium was trying to recruit Dalinar for that, it wouldn't make much sense to me for the recruitment of Dalinar and the torture of the heralds both being preparations on an army for the greater war.

I agree, in general I find Stormlight in particular to have "good" and "bad" characters, rather than races. I think it's part of Brandon being a very modern author not having "the evil dark people" and "the divine blonde people" (*cough cough Tolkien cough*). (just a joke to exagerate, definitly don't want this become a conversation about that topic) I think you're so spot on on this (overall cosmere spoilers do not read if you're not up to date)

I don't really see an argument for it to be an Oligarchy, Regardless of how the rulers are chosen, there is no defined law by which the "oligarrchy" rules, no counsel voting or anything of the sort, it's just a balance of powers and politics mixed with tradition I agree, it's feudal system, this is reinforced by the squabbles over land the highprinces have, typical of medieval feudal system But I'm no historian soooo this is just a mildly informed opinion I guess

I think Skybreakers can easily feel like villains exactly because they don't follow "what is right" as a winderunner would according the the morality of their honorspren, Let's put it this way, Szeth is now sworn to cleanse the Shin leaders. Say he goes and realizes all they did was for a greater good, still he follows his oath and kills all of them, would he not leave Shinovar being both of the 4th ideal and knowing what he did was wrong? So I don't think the first oath is really related, just the skybreakers oaths overtake the concept of morality, in terms of oathkeeping, by following the law, a leader, a crusade, making that the journey, rather than "good means" as an interpretable concept. I think what you bring up is very interesting though in terms of the 5th ideal, as that would require a Skybreaker to become a personification of the law, how that works I think is a bit unclear (are you the law, so you cannot break it, are you tied to some fundamental laws?), but either way it does raise the problem of Nale both being the law and questioning is own morality. I agree with you that how Nale represents the law and his conflicted nature will be explored more, I'm not sure which direction it'll take but I'm re-reading right now I'll keep an eye open for details in that regard. In general, all heralds have something weird going on in their madness that will probably explain this and more

I agree, I think you can easily argue that the to skybreaks the journey is following the law. Matter of fact, though Nale wished to be rid of Lift, he will not do it outside of the law (Edgedancer), so it's actually a good example of the journey coming before the destination. In general, I see where you're coming from OP, but also I think the oaths are interpretable by design, it's not "the end does not justify the means", it's "journey before destination", so yeah go figure As an aside, I think we'll still be exploring the full meaning of the first oath in the next book.

Well the storm was a preexhisting condition right? I guess the consciousness of all sprend splitentered from Honor would be trasferred to the complete Shard and kind of, die, which would make for a cool goodbye between Dalinar and the Stormfather