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31 minutes ago, Elder said:

Really…… maybe pure Atium is what messed Bloody Tan up.  Though I can’t imagine where he’d have gotten pure Atium tho.  

Brandon has at least said that Tan wasn't burning Atium during the altercation in order to anticipate the first bullet but anything before that is fair game I guess.

Oh yeah this wasn't meant to be an actionable suggestion just more of a shower thought.

2 hours ago, Elder said:

Maybe they’re setting up for an Era 3 main character.

took a look at some of those WoB’s.  Tan had an outside influence that wasn’t Harmony.  His whole puppets spiel is kinda ambiguous to me.  It could be a complaint inspired by Autonomy, but seems more like a sort of devotion to a higher power combined with fatalism or predestination.  He’s seen both the Survivor and Death.  Obviously this guy has some insight.  Maybe he just got a glimpse of Cosmere awareness and couldn’t handle it.  But where did he get the glimpse?

Seems like a non-sequitur, but in my ADHD brain it really isn’t, but Ironeyes is kinda in a weird position.  It seems like Survivorism and Sliverism both acknowledge him, one with dread one with reverence.  Harmony employs him.  And Marsh likes to encourage people to do his Brother’s work.  Is Marsh sympathetic to the Ghost Bloods?   We definitely need to see more of him.  They made it a point to continue preserving his life.  

Tan had an unknown influence but also harmony was partially at fault. I’m not sure just gaining cosmere awareness is something like eldritch knowledge or anything. At least we’ve seen a lot of people become cosmere aware and none of them have particularly been driven mad by it.

We really need to see Marsh interacting with Kelsier. He’s kinda been like this elephant in the room once revealed he was still alive. I do think we need a SH2 or something to explore both Kelsier and Marsh post Catacendre til TLM but also Hoid (who I think needs all the way to TFE explanations). But yeah as it is it’s very hard to say where his arc is headed.

8 minutes ago, Elder said:

My first impression was that Tan was a follower of Trell, but that doesn’t necessarily work as well if he’s going to be explained in the next series.  He could easily be a deranged Sliverist.  That obsession with Death might just cover it.  That said, it would seem weird to explore him in the future.  Wouldn’t it make more sense if he was perhaps in a second Secret History.

A rogue inquisitor would be interesting, though I thought a reasonably big deal was made of Vin having killed them all besides Marsh in the battle before her ascension.  That said, my memory on that is fuzzy, I’ll have to review Hero of Ages.

I get the impression that all of these religions, Survivorism, Sliverism, and Pathians (and followers of Trell) use Harmony’s Words of founding as a holy text, which I find interesting.  Harmony validated all their beliefs in his book.  They may realize Harmony is the Shard, but don’t find it necessary to worship him.  Of course, the Yomen’s may not have needed the Words of Founding to really carry forward Sliverism.

Again, my recollection of Hero of Ages is spotty, but iirc, Yomen seemed on the cusp of Cosmere awareness, which may be why his descendants seem to know and recognize Hoid.  Yomen’s unshaken faith in Rashek acknowledges the truth  that the Lord Ruler was only a Sliver of a Shard of Infinity.  Maybe they started to get a better picture of what the whole was.

Rereading the WoBs it does seem more likely that it would be a SH2 or something. Basically all Brandon really said was that we should still be asking questions about Tan.

As for the Inquisitor it's possible he worldhopped prior to the Lord Ruler's death (or just after if there were some in the farther Dominances when Marsh unpinned the lot of them).

Yeah the Yomens are interesting. Wished we had seen more of them in W&W. 

Yeah I assume the argument is based on similarities to either deadnaming or maybe a better comparison is the use of exonyms which is increasingly seen a problematic and often devolve into being considered slurs.

1 hour ago, TheSurvivorofDeath said:

Sylspear does work the same as a normal Shardblade. We're talking about possible impacts of blunt Shardweapons that don't have Blades to “cut” the soul. Shardfork could cut the soul. I would like to see someone get stabbed with the Shardfork to be honest.

Spears still have edges but tines on a fork are ostensibly just points. I am also curious to what a puncture wound would do because I feel it would have to be very precise and caliber dependent to actually handicap someone physically. Ramifications on the spiritweb are a different matter. Might be like pseudo hemalurgy.

@Elder wanna talk about sliverism since everyone seemed to ignore your comments on that in favor of their inane debate?

Brandon has said that sliverism will be explored more in the next MB series. He's also implied that Bloody Tan will be explored more there as well. I'm wondering if these are connected and that Tan is a sliverist. I've also wondered if there might be a second Inquisitor (possibly unknown to Harmony) running around as a world contributing to the idea of Ironeyes as Death spreading through the cosmere.

On 2/6/2023 at 11:50 AM, Trusk'our said:

In The Lost Metal, Marsh states that Identity contamination prevents the Set from compounding. I wonder, then, if you could overcome this limitation by having the donor blank their Identity via Unsealed Aluminumminds, or via a Hemalurigc spike.

This also makes me wonder why it is that Marsh can compound, even though he doesn't (presumably) have Identityless spikes. Did Hemalurgic spikes just permeate the Spiriweb more in Ancient times, and now the spikes are more "contained" within their separate Identities?

I know that we have the Ars. Arcanum, but I'm just curious about the mechanics of Hemalurgy's change, and how they can be overcome by a clever individual (not that I personally claim to be such an individual, just a curious one).

Might be a side effect of Sazed consciously suppressing Ruin's Intent and Marsh was just grandfathered in having been created under the old system. So the only way to overcome it is let Sazed himself be overcome.

You could also find a duralumin compounder to spike. If any combination is just as likely as any other combination there's likely not more than 5 in the last 300 years but still. Spike one of them and make sure you keep the spike in blood as long as possible. We don't really know how long the Set has been operating.

On 2/8/2023 at 1:24 PM, Treamayne said:

"the artist formerly known as Prince"

 

"The people subsequently known as SoScads" I guess UrSoScads or ProtoSoScads could work but are still unwieldy 

On 2/7/2023 at 10:03 AM, Trusk'our said:

Well, it's not useful for many situations that don't involve torture, but you could Hemalurgically pierce someone with four or more spikes, and then use a duralumin empowered blast of Emotional Allomancy to control them, and force them to tap the increased sense of pain.

Probably not ethically acceptable though (especially not to me), and not useful in many situations anyway, since you could already control them.

I wonder what happens with a primer cube tuned to F-tin would do? Would it heighten (tap) or dampen (store) the senses? Would it do anything? I think we've only seen it used to replicate Allomancy for now.

W&W to me feels mostly like an expanded WoB for books he hasn't written yet (Era "3"). Since it was inserted into the cosmere outline after the fact it was restricted in what sort of revelations it could deal in and what sort of stakes it could have. I am really curious to how different earlier books would have been if Brandon had indulged in the "gloves off" philosophy while writing them. Like would Lemex's secret Terris nurse have played a bigger role or something?

This has always confused me because even as a blade it doesn't break the skin (when the target is living) so why does it need to do so for other iterations? I assume that otherwise it makes them too OP so its kinda like speed bubbles not cause redshift but still weird. Anyways shardwire for the win.

We use the Arcanum for as close to possible verbatim transcriptions which aligns more closely with in universe copperminds and the Coppermind is for encyclopedic analysis which correlates to the in universe Ars Arcanum

3 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Yes I already looked through that, and I'd note him not saying that Jasnah and Shallan require the right gems.

And that with Radiants you inhale the stormlight, you can't use it while it is in gems. And as seen in RoW, the gem the light comes from doesn't matter.

It could be some early installment weirdness or him getting mixed up in the WOB. I don't know if and other depiction of Radiant Soulcasting makes note of specific gems but the WOB specifically says that Soulcasting (with no implication that he means fabrial Soulcasting given the question) has extra restrictions regarding the polestones.

We know the Ghostbloods and who knows who else have worldhoppers on

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

I don't believe it is ever confirmed that they are, and I personally doubt it.

Though whether that would apply to Shallan here is unknown.

From Coppermind:

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Moreover, when Soulcasting, both Surgebinders and fabrial users are limited by the types of gems available to them.^[18] While the chemical composition of the gemstone is important, its color is paramount, with every color of a gemstone corresponding to one of the Ten Essences.^[5] A gemstone that has been bleached of color - for example, by Awakening - would work very poorly, or not work at all.^[19]

And supporting WoB:

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StormAtlas (paraphrased)

Why can Kaladin Surgebind with any gem type but Jasnah and Shallan need specific types?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

A lot of that will be explained as the series comes along. It is really the difference between Soulcasting and the other forms of Surgebinding. It's more a quirk of Soulcasting than it is something that is different about about Kaladin. So you've kind of got it reversed a little bit though; Soulcasting has this additional restriction that the other ones don't.

Rithmatist Albuquerque signing (May 22, 2013)

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

I just realized something else, when Shallan soulcasts with Testament, she only soulcasts blood, which is the essence associated with her order. I wonder if she is capable of preforming other transformations, or if Testament only gives the ability to soulcast with that essence now.

I can't remember was there even a garnet in that scene. Radiants are still limited to what polestone they have access to in regards to Soulcasting.

9 hours ago, Frustration said:

But if this is true, that means that there is at least one surge per order that can be used and applied at a distance from the radiant themselves.

Jasnah can Soulcast at range which might work on the principle you've proposed

On 2/10/2023 at 11:29 AM, aaronklassen said:

I enjoyed the book. My son was reading the Evil Librarian at the same time as I was reading Tress.  As he was sharing quotes with me I could see the same humour shine through in both books.  As one person said above it does have a bit of a Young Adult feel.  I would have liked to know more about the sorceress and where she is from or maybe I've missed something in the Cosmere.  Overall, an enjoyable read. 

She appears first in 

8 hours ago, gremlin303 said:

People who understand this stuff better than me may be able to explain it better, but here are my thoughts:

Based on the note in tLM’s Ars Arcanum, I’d say there is something funny going on with cosmere wide connection/identity with regards to death. Khriss says there could be a magical origin to the phenomenon. I think because of so many people on Scadrial worshipping such a highly invested being, that belief is then transforming the concept of death across the Cosmere. 

Ooh that could be interesting. I've been wondering if there is a secret Inquisitor worldhopper that's been running around impersonating Marsh.

On 1/25/2023 at 11:56 PM, drunkenbotanist said:

Can we actually imagine though the room you kill god in

 

Like presumably Brandon has that scene in his head or did at one point.

 

I really wonder what that is going to be like

 

The 16, with the dawnshards in the ---- secret lab/basement/dungeon/roof of massive temple in a thunderstorm/in the cognitive realm so everything is weirdly colored --- very excited to see what he does with this in like 20 years

 

Originally the Shattered Plain were going to be on Yolen so I assume that was where it happened in the first draft. And because of that I assume the Shattered Plains are now where Honor was Splintered.

11 hours ago, gremlin303 said:

Do we know it’s just Awakening being used? I assumed it would be a combination of awakening and AonDor. Perhaps Seons (sp?) are used to give the computer ai as well

The AI is called Seslo which is not an Aon so not likely to be a Seon

I'm with @TruthlessofNalthis that we shouldn't assume that all subsequent Iriali a necessarily related to a specific group of earlier Iriali. If there was an original event that caused a diaspora it could be that different sects didn't agree on which planet was the Second Land. There could be multiple groups on there own separate Long Trails.

On 2/7/2023 at 3:56 PM, The Bookwyrm said:

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In Tress of the Emerald Sea we see the Sorceress is also able to use AonDor, and we still don't know how. But something that's interesting to me is that she has a map of the planet Lumar on the floor of her spaceship...

 

I think the island being described suspiciously circular also leans into this but the illustration showing Hoid and Riina using pre-Reod Aons confuses me.

On 2/7/2023 at 4:43 PM, Quantus said:

Two things: To become an Elantrian requires a Connection to the homeland of Arelon (the annotations said Genetic link, but those might have come from before the broader Cosmere system and Connections were fleshed out) and to be present in Arelon at the time of the transformation.  After that, they just need to have a way to tap the Dor, which can happen by  a)being on Sel, b) With an active Investiture Connection to Sel (Feruchemy will do it), or c) manage to purigfy/transform the Dor into a solid portable form.  

So to Forge youself into an Elantrian, you'd need to have (or Forge) a family history that settled in Arelon, and then Forge the Event that made you get chosen (super hard since nobody is supposed to know what goes into that choice).  If that can be made to take, it implies Dor is availible to maintain it, so that same Dor supply should theoretically be available to power any AonDor effects that you want to do after the Forgery takes hold.  If Moonlight's family had any ancestors from Arelon, she'd have an easier time since she'd only have to forge the Shaod event and not the family history as well.  

 

EDIT:  Also, All Selish magics work anywhere on Sel because they all tap the Dor for power.  But they work anywhere that Dor is present.  Getting access to the different magic systems is region locked (requiring family ties and whatnot), but the actual function is only limited to the planet (without additional steps being taken).  

Given that a group migrated to the abandoned city and then a generation or two later the Shaod started happening I don't think genetic or even ancestry in the region is that important compared to just being born in the region.