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  1. Shardcast: Nightblood Confirmations! Legion Release Words of Brandon P1

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    1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

    Will you ever do a Reddit AMA WOB  cast? There are so many on Reddit and I am surprised people don't talk about Brandon's /u/mistborn account

    Uh, we probably should, given the sheer volume of answers we've gotten in the last month, but we are going to need to be super picky about what we talk about, because otherwise we'll end up with a 12-hour episode...

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  6. Shardcast: Cultivationlight!? FanX Words of Brandon P1

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    3 hours ago, Sylfan said:

    So just a thought to pick at and I am most likely wrong but what if the weeping is Cultivation’s “storm”... first thing that popped in my head 

    I would've liked this idea, but there is a WoB that says that "[crem and the Purelake] existed on the planet before Cultivation arrived." Now, so did highstorms, and they now carry what we are starting to believe is Honor's Investiture, so it's fully possible that Cultivation pulled a similar thing and crem carries hers. Which, in turn, could play into the Shard poop WoB, as well as crem's beneficial properties for farming. So maybe I do like it after all :)

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  11. Shardcast: The Heralds

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    16 hours ago, Czernobog said:

    If it also involves capturing a Herald's power to transfer to another, that would be far too similar to the blinding knife from the Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks.

    Yeah, it's really difficult for me not to conflate the two... 

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  12. Shardcast: The Heralds

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    49 minutes ago, whattheHoid said:

    Did any of the Fused actually hold the knife before handing it to Moash?

    Lady Leshwi hands it to him, so yeah. She even unsheaths it as she hands it to him, so it's probably a Nightblood-like situation where the sheath is important.

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  13. Shardcast: The Heralds

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    9 hours ago, ccstat said:

    You spent a long time talking about why the fused were scared to perma-kill (or trap?) Jezrien. My reading of that scene was that they were just scared of the knife that was going to do the stabbing. It is a potent artifact with the power to kill or capture a cognitive shadow with an inherent respawn ability. It is no wonder the fused wouldn't want to touch it.

    I don't know, pretty much every weapon is deadly to humans, but a lot of humans have no qualms holding and using them. The argument that the Fused were somehow afraid either Jezrien or the knife makes very little sense to me.

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  14. Shardcast: Unity

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    1 hour ago, whattheHoid said:

    @ArgentI wonder if the ten names of the Almighty and Honor's purposes are related to the ideals of the ten orders of Knights Radiant. I would imagine maybe Tanavast would've planned ahead his demise, so perhaps he had clues for this hidden or not in the number 10, which seems to be everywhere on Roshar. Important things seem to be associated with 10, much like 16 on Scadrial? 

    Something like this would feel too Mistborn-y, I think. There might be a relationship there, but I think it's more roundabout than that. Since the Radiant Orders were set up after the Heralds, the attributes each Order was expected to exemplify (originally by the associated spren, and later - by people) would match with the Heralds' Divine Attributes. If the Heralds' plea for help to Honor and Cultivation was instrumental in the setting up of Surgebinding as an Invested Art, then it could make sense that the attributes intrinsic to this Art would be ones that fall in line with who the Heralds were. 

    So, less of a secret message, and more of just how things are.

    19 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said:

    For Unity, I think there are two things happening. Dalinar's statement of "I am Unity" is him desribing himself as a force of unity, not as a shard or splinter. I don't think Dalinar is aware enough of shards to make the statement anything else. 

    Yeah but that's an easy explanation, and we don't do those 'round these parts :D

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  15. Shardcast: Unity

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    I am really liking the idea of Unity being one of Honor's Purposes, and Dalinar having to internalize all of them to Ascend, perhaps so he can form the necessary Connection. I am also wondering whether it is one of the ten names of the Almighty, with the names matching those Purposes. 

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  19. Shardcast: Odium v Passion

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    2 hours ago, Mason Wheeler said:

    @Jess I'm glad to see someone remembered the Stormfather straight-up saying that Odium was lying about being Passion, because the podcasters sure didn't! I kept waiting for one of them, any of them, to bring it up, but... nope.

    Also conspicuously not mentioned, during the discussions of Ruin as a Shard of entropy, was Harmony in the Words of Founding explaining that Ruin was explicitly not just a force of entropy, but an intelligent, maliciously rational presence that was fully capable of building up one thing to use it to destroy several other things.

    I usually like these discussions, but this one left me disappointed by how many times the podcasters ignored relevant in-world sources in favor of vague, esoteric WOBs. :(

    Yeah, I guess we dropped the ball a little bit here. It's easy to focus on the big flashy moments (e.g. Dalinar's meeting with Odium) and the easy content (WoBs we can search for and filter), so offhanded remarks sometimes get overlooked. I am not sure if either one of the lines you bring up would've swayed me in either direction - the Stormfather probably lacks the subtlety to see through Odium's lies (though you could argue that his Connection to Honor might make give him an instinctive understanding of his enemy), and I believe Harmony was talking about Ati's Ruin in the Words of Founding; and  not only Ati's Ruin, but his Ruin towards the end. 

    Regardless, it would've been nice to mention these things, I don't disagree. I am not sure what we do to prepare better, since it's just us going off our memories, and rereads are not really feasible, but I'll bring it up and we'll see if we can come up with something.

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  20. Shardcast: Odium v Passion

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    2 hours ago, whattheHoid said:

    That being said I think that Odium is passion fueled hate? (If that makes sense!) I think when Dalinar truly "saw" Odium and "all" that he is - i.e. lust, joy, exultation, etc. are in fact those feelings (I believe them to be divine too) as Rayse perceives them, but through a lens of hatred and not just any kind but divine hatred. I think Odium's Intent has been warped because it was splintered off from its host, Adonalsium, so all what it has left are these emotions and nothing else to temper them.

    You may be onto something here. I've spent about an hour writing and editing the following post, and I am not entirely happy with it, but hopefully I've managed to organize it into something that's at least somewhat coherent. 

    Thinking back to Frost's "he bears the weight of God's own divine hatred," and contextualizing this with the Shattering, what if events unfolded like so:

    Adonalsium's emotions and attributes, by virtue of Adonalsium's divinity, can all be described as divine - divine devotion, divine honor, divine hatred, and so on. Within Adonalsium, as a single entity, all of these emotions and attributes play off one another: Adonalsium's sense of honor was balanced, or at least influenced by the things Adonalsium wanted to preserve, or was devoted to, or hated. Adonalsium's hatred was not a blind hatred for all things, it was shaped by things changing, and a sense of independence and autonomy. "Separated from the virtues that gave it context," however, Odium - and all Shards, I think - are... incomplete. So I don't think Odium is a single emotion, a single passion, he is not blind and mindless hatred, I still think that's too small for a Shard to be; but without other divine attributes to give him reason for his hatred, to balance this hatred, we are essentially looking at Rayse's mortal emotions trying - and failing - to give context to Odium's divine hatred. And it's an uneven battle.

    Another way to look at this is that emotions, for the most part, belong to all of the Shards in a small way, and so Odium's claim that he is Passion is not entirely baseless, but it is Passion devoid of devotion, and sense of preservation, and change, and cultivation, and honor (because other Vessels hold these Shards), and possibly enhanced by hatred. And when you do the math, when you take away all of these virtues, but leave the hatred in, I can see how Rayse might be best described as Odium even though there are other passions that are still a part of the Shard. It's less that he is Odium and Odium is all that he is, and more that when you take all passions, all the strong, driving, primal emotions, and take away the "good" ones, what you are left with is a package that is particularly susceptible to hatred. He is joy, but it's joy that cannot come from honor, preservation, or endowment, or any of the other Shards. He is sorrow, but it's sorrow that doesn't have the tempering touch of one's knowledge that all things must end. And when you take away all of this context, what you are left with is a bundle of emotions that can easily either fuel or be fueled by hatred (especially to a crafty and loathsome individual, I imagine).

    I think this is where I'll make my stand. Both Odium and Passion are accurate, but both omit important bits. Rayse's Shard is not just Odium, because there are other emotions, other passions in there that are of similar magnitude. But it is not Passion either because it is not all passions, and the passions that are in there can all be tied to hatred pretty easily. So if anything, Odium is a convenient label in a common denominator kind of way. 

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  21. Shardcast: Odium v Passion

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    Amazing, how so many of you can be so wrong. It is obvious that Odium alone is too limiting of a description, even among other limiting descriptions. If you are #TeamOdium you might as well be #TeamGrowth where Ruin is concerned, because that's about as limited of a description of it. 

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  22. Shardcast: Odium

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    2 hours ago, Czernobog said:

    I like that thought. Since we are informed by Nazh that spren fishing is illegal in at least one place, and Dai-Gonarthis is referred to as the Black Fisher...could the "fish" terms be connected, and be of more than passing importance?

    Nazh's spren fishing doesn't really have anything to do with fish though, it's more like "spren baiting". Forcefully attracting certain kinds of spren - a little bit like what Dalinar did with Nergaoul, I guess. So I don't think Dai-Gonarthis will play into this, at least not for this reason. 

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