Tamriel Wolfsbaine

That is where the donor centers come in. Give a person a medallion and pay them per the time they store. You get a couple hundred people participating each day and you can get what you want. Its an investment. You pay for one murder spike on the black market for cheap or get a legal one for lots that didn't result in murder. The sustainable way will always be the expensive way. But there is a sustainable option.

It is done and can be done. But how accurate do you suppose they are? I would argue highly accurate. All of the human error is gone! Vivenna wouldn't have been able to catch that arrow out of thin air but her awakened cloak had to ability to see it coming. Identify it as a thing that needed to be protected from and catch it before it could hit her. I imagine awakened objects have a sense that allows them to operate far beyond our ability. I think awakened ropes throwing boulders might end up being the most accurate ranged ability out there besides soulcasting. Certainly lashed items would be less accurate than coin shots and coinshots still have human error even with enhanced vision of lines on direct paths of travel... but there is no chance at human error. You tell that rope to throw a Boulder to crush that man over there and I am trying to think how that will be carried out. Does the rope throw it at where the man is or will the rope understand where the man is going to be when the rock arrives to the target? Against moving targets the awakened slings will either be the most accurate ranged option or the least. Depends on how all of that breath works.

Basically what you have with all of the Returned on Nalthis. "Let us make you a drab and we will pay for your family to be taken care of." I also forsee gold factories where unsealed metalminds will be created and filled all the time allowing people to tap large amounts of gold and heal back their spiritweb nearly instantly so that their power may be spiked multiple times! Terrifying to think that there may be an abuse of hemalurgy to that scale but it certainly appears to be the direction it could go into.

Do you believe that awakened objects are capable of viewing the future at all? When vivenas cloak catches an arrow it must know where and when to grab. Same with the cloth snatching a blade. With the correct command do you think awakened slings would anticipate where to sling their projectiles and have a higher accuracy % than a trained slinger? I don't know how many folks train in catching arrows in mid flight but the cloak did it with 100% accuracy. Would the same cloak be capable of performing the last clap? I like the idea of archers on atium or slingers on atium. I almost feel like awakened objects demonstrate a level of fortune on their own to protect the wearers. Perhaps this is due to the envisioning of protecting from all attacks. What about viewing in your minds eye the item hitting the target via leading it and shooting where it will be as opposed to where it is?

That makes sense. On the inverse. If I have a rope capable of lifting 2000lbs wrapped around my arms will my arms be supporting any of that weight or would it just feel like lifting the weight of the rope alone? Would the rope protect my arms from needing to hold any of that weight even if I am sort of the anchor point? I am caught on the idea that weight matters for allomantic steel and iron. Would a rope awakened around my arms and commanded to pick up a 1000lb rock really pick it up or would it lift me up instead? I am very much leaning towards the rope tossing the rock (or shardbearer) as Vasher doesn't describe needing to adjust his stance at all when tossing similarly sized humans with awakened cloth. (At least I don't remember his balance being shaken). I knew F pewter would be mentioned. I think that awakening thicker and stronger rope allows for more strength than F pewter turned to the max... the rope will always allow you to move normally! By that I really mean that going up in thickness and strength in rope will add more strength for less immobility that F pewter. Just my thoughts and as always I am open to my mind being changed. Yeah. I am always trying to think how other magics can deal with plate! It is my least favorite part of the cosmere while at the same time being one of my favorite parts because it makes me think! Perhaps a massive monkey fist... or even smaller ones. I feel like awakening could likely produce some mass of flail like tenticals that batter down against plate with more force than even a gang of parshendi in warforms with hammers. If all of this works it would be totally possible to awaken a flexible extention to hands that we see in warbreaker and have 2 long extensions of arms both swinging shardhammers. (Or that sweet sweet squad of empty cloth suits.) You know this makes me curious about the implications of command breaking at 8th heightening. Could this be a precursor to awakening not only making connections but also potentially severing them?

I had to go with the 5 scholars. I would just say Vasher with Nightblood and the Peacegiver's gift. However that might just be a fanboys jerk reaction given that system is my favorite. Totally biased vote but that is mine.

For those who don't follow Warbreaker forums this is a continuation of a discussion I was having with @alder24 found here: if you poured investiture into a sword without awakening it would it still cur through things - Warbreaker - 17th Shard, the Official Brandon Sanderson Fansite @alder24 in an attempt to stop myself from posting spoilers and end the need to tag things I wanted to just move over here. I will throw a quote from your last post over on that thread. More like a spring around his leg, absorbing energy. It won't help you if you fall from too high, but on some moderate heights it would work well, Warbreaker ch 56 No, that's lethal even for him. Unlikely. Unless he has a very long rope that he can use like a spring, under him, not on his legs. He doesn't have a parachute, nor his clothes would provide enough material to make one. How tall were they? Around 30 feet tall, 10 meters? Yes, he can. You ask a loooot of speculative questions Both. Awakened clothes are so strong that they can throw people into the wall, Warbreaker ch 51: ch 53: ch 55: ch 49: My explanation of this is (aligning with the WoB saying that Awakening doesn't give any extra strength) if a piece of fabric can normally hold a person's weight, it can also throw him, hold him, add strength etc when Awaken. If your clothes, ropes, fabrics etc can normally hold your weight, then Awakening will make them work without tearing. But the Awakened material has so much strength, that a single thread can twist metal mechanism of a lock, which I think is a lot from a thread, too much to work with this idea, ch 49: All of the WoBs that you have provided make me think I have been guilty of underestimating the strength of awakeners while also prompting me to ask some more questions... of course. While a fabric or awakened item can perform to its peak without breaking do you think the anchors it may be attached to would be at risk of breaking? In the case of Vasher using the clothing to throw people we dont see his arms breaking as a result of having the shirt tassels attached to them but do you think there is a limit to that? I found some 3/8" nylon rope with a tensile strength of 2300 lbs. If a suit of shardplate is roughly 1400lbs (according to the coppermind) then that rope being used from an awakening standpoint should be able to latch onto a shardbearer and toss them in thier plate the same as the humans were thrown with the cloth yeah? We also saw in Warbreaker that people would be crushed by awakened cloth. This same rope could likely take a few hundred breaths and crush the suit of plate? Certainly restrain the wearer for some eye slot stabby stabby. Also the cloth caught a sword by the blade! With breaths being able to be funneled into the rope at a much higher rate, the disarming of shardblades becomes a highly probable and effective option. Not for living sprenblades but anyone who is limited to a 10 heartbeat resummon time this could be the end of it all! After looking at these things I have to imagine that Vasher would have straight up murdered all 4 of the shardbearers in the arena fight had he chosen to aid Adolin. I don't think awakening can necessarily deal with Surges without going down crazy speculation rabbit holes but I do think that from a purely physical ability (speed aside) it may be the strongest magic in the cosmere. You are literally only limited by the strength of the materials you are able to awaken and even those are protected from things like shardblades when enough breath is stored into them (in addition to the breaths needed to awaken the item). I wont be crazy and say a fullborn couldnt take Vasher out, but I have new respect for the awakeners and their place in the cosmere. Even simple technological advancements in better rope are going to add up to them being scary strong. This will need to be a rule or tip in the hitchhiker's guide to the cosmere... don't try grappling a dude wearing baggy clothes or rope.

I have long tried to picture Vasher's falling and the clothing absorbing the impact. Some parts of my mind picture the lengths of cloth extending outward underneath him creating almost a spring as he lands. Do you believe it simply added magical structure and support? I don't recall how far he fell but we all know I am a sucker for cool landings. Do you think that the awakened leggins would have been able to absorb enough energy to protect him from terminal velocity+? If Szeth were to lash him straight up and he fell to the ground a minute later or whatever do you suppose Vasher's awakened clothing would protect him? Do you think he would end up combining it somehow with some newly awakened pseudo parachute? Do you think he could survive a fall from Luthadels wall? Vin cleared it one time I know but she was blessed with steel to pad her landing. Do you think strengthened leggings could hold a person together from that height? I know its all speculation but I like hearing other peoples thoughts on it. How much strength do you think awakened clothing could add? Do you think it pulls tighter on the skin or simply allows one to lift more while maintaining its typical fit on the body? Picturing a big burley kolossblooded victorian era pugilist fighting with ropes and potentially chains wrapped around fists and arms. (Not that anyone cares but this is the character I have been fixated on).

Thanks for that WoB. All of this conversation has me picturing a character who carries around spandex skin suits and awakens them dumping tons of breath to make a squad of shard repelling cloth soldiers. Arm them with some large hammers and send them on their way. Picture them being disarmed and using their last bit of mobility to latch onto the opponent and try to lash their arms together. I have long wondered how the tensile strength of awakened ropes and fabric works. SA spoilers:

I feel like I remember some evidence of a tribe using leather armor and then adding layers of adhesive and sand to further stand up to slashing. I honestly don't know anymore though. Too much nerdy stuff goes on in my mind that has to take a back seat to RL too often. I can see a world where 1000 breaths is 1000 breaths and that is that. Does the command use 100% of the breath needed to make an item work? I have a slightly different theory from that but would be really happy if it turns out to be wrong. I feel like I remember higher heightenings requiring less breaths than lower ones. I know I remember that certain commands allow more complex action with less breath. This all leads me to believe that awakening an item sort of builds a connection there between the the 3 realms where the item can do what it needs to. I don't want to jump to a conclusion and say that awakened items are drawing on extra investiture behind the scenes, but it seems like the better the command and visualization behind it the better the results both in functionality and cost. This really makes me wonder if it would be the same breath to breath comparison on how invested something is. I kind of think something awakened has more going on in the background than the breaths simply funneled into it to awaken it.

Gold feruchemy even without compounding is just plain wonderful.

I have been there with deleted posts! Leather armor I was thinking studded or a brigandine. I like the idea of magnets. That seems plausible given that investiture resists investiture. The way Brandon describes it makes that seem really possible. If cloth truly can block a shardblade completely I think that an awakened brigandine might be the way to go! Awaken the cloth or leather and dump ludicrous amounts of breath into it and then use it to create your brigandine with some good quality steel (invested or non invested doesn't much matter since the cloth is for repelling shards and the steel is for armoring against non magical blades). My focus when talking shardblade vs armor X is simply that you need to defend against the blade and the magical properties. The magical properties of a shardblade (and their Nalthis born counterparts for this discussion which I don't see as a spoiler given that if it can block Nightblood it can block a Rosharan blade) are only a part of what makes them dangerous. They are still swords underneath it all. I do appreciate the magnet analogy as that makes this easier. Now you have an issue of sharp chunk of steel swinging at you without the magic cutting abilities which needs to be addressed as well. I think that highly invested cloth or leather wrapped around uninvested steel would probably be the cheapest and fastest route to help defend against both options. You don't need the 9th heightening. You likely don't need that complex of a command and you can funnel as much breath into the cloth as needed. The steel underneath just acts as a typical piece of metal to hopefully stop other typical pieces of metal. If you wanted to go for a fully awakened set and still weren't the 9th heightening I imagine that some wood or bamboo could aid in helping against the uninvested weapons... As for leather armor or wooden pieces used in armor. I am not proposing that they would work like metal. Obviously games are games and life ending gashes are for real. All armor should consist of multiple layers. I would recommend padding under steel as much as I would think steel should go over padding. Hardened leather isn't steel but if you wanted to go the route of fully awakened protection under the 9th heightening I imagine a piece of hardened awakened leather would offer more protection to slashes than a piece of awakened cloth alone. I've skinned my fair share of animals and even soft hides can offer protection against slashes. Crushing blows or stabbing attacks are where you really need those harder materials. Awakened gambesone would do you good under any other material. Chain over the top for a mixed invested set would most likely be a better bet still (not as good as a brigandine with an amount of padding). I think it is reasonable to create shard resistant gear just by dumping breaths into is as the OP asked. But what parts are you putting the majority of your investiture into? If a non awakened metal sword takes 10,000 breaths to stop a sword awakened with 1000 breaths then how many more breaths could be needed for cloth to do the same? How much could you cut back and save if you use a command on cloth or leather or even just a stick instead? General cosmere spoilers: I think amassing breaths is the most probable way to make a set of armor and weapons like this, but efficiency matters and getting enough breaths to awaken one object is tricky enough. Its a dangerous business to become a powerful awakener. Everyone of your enemies wants to torture you and take your breath.

I am a big iron fan as well. Every character I make I am torn between iron and zinc. You are absolutely right about iron being beneficial during storage as much as during tapping. I do think it would allow for some great showings of athleticism. Also... In my mind I have always LOVED the scenes of falling without taking fall damage. Any power that lets you drop off a cliff and come out unharmed is completely epic. As far as the books go. I think Miles fall was the best. Sazed I pictured a feather floating down, steel always has that slight bob back up before touching down in my mind... but hitting the ground and describing all of the bones breakings and body getting reknit back instantaneously has to be the most epic falling moment by far.

Yeah by that I simply meant that awakened blades cant really change their intent as their intent is based off of the command and intent of the person issuing the command when they are made. Other shardblades have a bit more control over their intent. We do know. In Warbreaker an Awakened rope thrown by Vivenna was cut by Denth into two pieces and both of those pieces were still twisting trying to "hold" something, trying to fulfill their command. SA spoilers: I must be confusing something here. I believed that the investiture amount in an item would be able to protect said item from being cut by the magical portion of the blade only. By this logic the Godking himself should be shardblade resistant. I know we don't have figures but if it takes 1000 breaths to make a shardblade and your average returned has equivalent to 2000 breaths for the 5th heightening wouldn't that give them resistance? Yet we see clearly that a returned can be killed by even a nonmagical weapon. Perhaps intent is important in this as well? I assumed that with shardblades if the magical cutting cant do its work then the normal blade still can. I always just associated highly invested objects acting closer to aluminum in their ability to resist shardblades. I guess that is something I need to remove from my mind. It does make me wonder if this is an investiture vs size of object sort of thing. If Nightblood were a 3lb longsword then every 0.003lbs is storing a breath (at his creation). According to the coppermind Returned are roughly 7 feet tall. To have a normal BMI of 25 you would be right around 250lbs. This would require 83,333 breaths to have the same ratio as a 3 lb Nightblood. Different materials mean different things. If it was simply a weight to breath ratio that mattered I imagine the 9th heightening allowing you to awaken metal and stone wouldn't be as big of a problem. It would seem that the extra heightening's required are because those materials require more breath to do anything at all. I don't believe we have any word on how much breath a command makes up for in any of these scenarios. I really want to believe that dumping 1000 breaths into 3lbs of cloth would allow me to make shard proof clothing but I am really hesitant to believe it is possible even with 10x that much. Cloth can still be cut by a knife! Perhaps an awakened leather set of armor would be more appropriate for this sort of thing as leather provides a bit more protection at its base. Side note: Can awakening at lower heightening's effect wood since it was once alive? Would an aged staff be harder to awaken than a newly cut shaft that is then allowed to harden?

I really like that cloak. Beyond sentience I personally believe that that sentience needs to have the intent to cut on all 3 realms, or to destroy entirely in the case of Nightblood. Every shardblade-ish thing we see has a personality and an entire reason for being and those with the capacity to change their mind about something (very much not Nightblood) are able to do so. SA spoilers as well. A ton of investiture will allow something that would normally resist a blade to resist a shardblade the same as if the shard were just a blade. Leather would be cut the same way leather would be cut by that blade minus the magic. Cloth as well. This isn't the end of the world... there are materials that you could awaken that would work and help even without the 9th heightening (wooden shields and armor were a thing but not as effective as metal). You could also skip the awakening and just store a ton of breath into metal before 9th heightening. That said we have no idea what happens to breaths when things are cut and if those losses are lessened if there is a command and intent or not.

I am fully fully on the zinc train for this one. I am rewatching one of my favorite series. LIMITLESS. I am not a fan of NZT being a drug and associating what I think is the coolest power out there as a junkie problem.... But straight up if I could only be a ferring zinc. If I could compound... still zinc. It definately helps that in the adventure game zinc compounding is closest thing to atium mechanically in the era 2 books. Intuitive leaps as well as being able to take in all of the information for an upcoming round and choose which actions you want to occur when is really powerful. Even all of that aside, zinc just seems so dang good. Storing during car rides or plane rides. I kind of figure the day would fly by with zinc storage. You would struggle to take anything in but it wouldn't matter so long as those things are not important. Plane trips? Boring lectures? I am happy to store to the max through that crap.

Alacatrez spoiler: That is one of the best reveals in TLM. Pain storage as a tin mind. Awesome! I agree with with @alder24 that it could lead to more serious injury. Pain exists for a reason... to stop you from doing the things that can hurt you! That said @Koloss17 has a great point about useless pain. Headaches being gone? Sign me up! The aches and pains of age and that dang plantar fasciitis not getting in the way of my runs to the bathroom half asleep... totally worth storing. I am really interested in how it would synergize with F gold. You could likely allow your body to heal at a slower rate, losing less gold to the diminished returns of healing something quicker. While I don't think you could store all of the discomforts of storing gold you could probably store a good handful of them. It has been discussed how well Allomantic pewter and Feruchemical gold work together. I imagine this combo would be nearly as good. I don't know if this would ever work with a primer cube but if you had someone who could store pain into a metalmind, then burn it and store that into a primer cube, you could use it as a pain grenade for some less than moral crowd control or information gathering in an interrogation room...

That was perhaps my favorite moment of the whole book. We got to see Not Wayne prove that she was a terrible phony as well as seeing what the world thinks of Wayne. Then we get who and what Wayne really was throughout the book. This is all following his cold conversation with the Not Wax and Not Wayne which painted him in such a new light. Then in the end we got to see who he really was. Wax is a fine character but learning more about Wayne is what made the era IMO. Assuming I am just looking at character development and not magic and world building. The new metalborn tech is totally epic.

I have seen this in the MAG and now again in the forums. I was always under the impression that tapping connection was how you could speak different languages. I assumed that Dalinar had to use his powers to connect and speak native languages. However I suddenly think I have been wrong about duralumin for a while. Is that storing? So you store your connection to your own native land and tongue and are able to speak the language of a new land? I can see this working well but I feel like it would have additional side effects of making you less influential with duralumin. I feel like it would be just as beneficial for communication as it would be a negative in the ability to grow connections with the people you are now speaking with. Or is duralumin sort of like tin in that different connections can be stored in different metalminds completely. You can tap a metalmind to build stronger relationships faster while storing in one to break your connection with your native language thus with 2 metalminds you can both speak with anyone and help turn them into your best friend.

I figure atium, electrum and gold all granted the vision of the world worth of spiritual sense. However the portion of atium that is a highly invested God metal allowed your mind to process everything better. As I look back through that WoB I realize Brandon answered how a blind man would see it. He would see it the same way a blind person sees a dream. I think Vin shows us what a seeing person could see it as. While this weakens the option to replace it as sight for the unseeing, I think it would make it far more beneficial to those who can see in low to no light circumstances which if stored would be a large boon of its own. Either way I don't hate @alder24 theory that the sight is fortune based and not really a sense that could be stored. While it kills my thought that someone who could compound both tin and zinc could recreate the atium we see in Era 1, I don't mind that sense being taken away. I have had a hard time separating these spiritual senses in my mind. I think lifesense combined with a steel spike such as kelsiers could probably make a wonderful 360 degree field of vision and sense for early everything organic and inorganic. But mashing multiple magic systems together to offer sight to a blind person might be a large waste of potential and resources. The easiest way for it would to awaken a byakugan like glass eye straight up. I think having it show you the world how it sees it would work well. A cloak is able to see and recognize the arrow as a threat fast enough to snatch it out of the air. There is a sense there that could be awakened and could be harvested for tin storage eventually.

I believe that the WOB searches are great but I went and found the entire post from the reddit AMA. I believe that there is more context to the answer than what you have found. Yes that is the one. Question: Answer: There was more than just gold being a sense but not seeing. I agree that gold isn't seeing in the conventional way but I believe Vin "saw" an atium shadow of everything. Even the windows of the keep. Am I seeing things when I dream? I would imagine not but I am able to navigate around them. If what you are "seeing" are the spiritual aspects of things then you could store one of these spiritual sight metals and compound that sight. Gold would simply be the least expensive and least disorienting one to have. I do imagine that awakened objects likely see / sense things in a similar fashion which is why I said what I said. Atium, electrum and gold all show a spiritual self in a spiritual world. Whether you sense it or whether you see it I dont know. Perhaps this WoB simply states that the blind character would only see in a way he sees. A seeing character may be able to store the sight from the spiritual in a sense more like we see in our dreams or Vin saw the atium shadowed landscape around her. I do like how Brandon nods to this causing savantism though. Aluminum would still show up as a void no matter how you sense the spiritual and I still stand by my thoughts on that. 360 degree sensation of the world whether seen or felt is still 360 degree sensation of the world and a huge benefit to everything. Back to the OP. Do you think a Kandra with F tin could consume a dogs olfactory sense and store a level of smell even to that of a dog available to tap later on? What if they stole the ability of a spider to feel and sense the world? Or a mantis shrimps ability to see on that different spectrum? I am not picturing a tin ferring Kandra selling some really trippy metalminds for people to experience the world at an entirely different level.

Not only the chance to awaken something to grant you its version of spiritual vision but also the 7th heightening gives you invested object aura recognition. I think it specifies breaths but I have always pictured it more like life sense for objects. Lifesense is actually you picking up the investiture of things. Even plant and animal life have investiture in them. It says a lot about how much drabs lose when you can no longer life sense them but can still sense the grass and plant life around you... Anyways at the 7th heightening you can sense objects that have had investiture put into them which is pretty epic as well. Brandon has mentioned (in a reddit ama a long while ago) that a blind character with gold allomancy could use the spiritual sense that comes with those metals uses as vision. Everything has a spiritual self in the cosmere and a blind person burning gold, ignoring themselves walking around, could navigate the world around them as if they had sight. He did specify how expensive it would be... but in the case of a tin compounder who is not opposed to popping in a spike from time to time they could store that gold spiritual sight and then remove the spike and compound that sight forever far cheaper than using gold allomancy just for vision. I personally believe an awakened objects vision would be closer to seeing the spiritual sight of gold. A fun concept past that is that aluminum doesn't seem to have a spiritual shadow... however it blocks that spiritual vision in a LOS behind it. I kind of think of that spiritual sight as a pseudo Byakugan. It gives 360 vision plus the ability to comprehend the 360 vision and anything aluminum moving through that 360 vision would appear as a void of space entirely... perhaps a person with spiritual sight would have a better time reacting and seeing aluminum weapons due to them causing such a disruption. Now it makes me wonder if you could awaken an object to show you the way it preceieves the world would you be able to command a cloak to react specifically to those voids in space making one of the few invested objects capable of reacting and defending against aluminum? Edit: @Trusk'our I gotta tag you for my crazy awakening thoughts given a lot of this came from another thread we talked in.

I appreciate that point of view. The psychological battle is a good point. I haven't really read it and looked at it that way. I am just a world building nut and read for the magic systems and their interactions. I actually think that the oaths are a really cool weakness and when Kaladin pulled away from Syl in WoR the 3rd oath was epic and awesome. I've probably beat a dead horse with my opinions on stormlight as a it pertains to the magic system and the fact that I think its raw power is a negative for the cosmere... but getting leeched is cool... running out of stormlight lacks a lot. When Vin burnt aluminum it was epic. When pewter just runs out mid fight to add tension it isn't nearly as fun to read. You did point the psychological battles out and I appreciate that. I am not a feelings oriented person and the mental health crisis just has never really hit me before. I had a discussion with someone once that ended with them telling me I could choose to be happy and I flipped a switch that day and just chose to be happy. Of course we all have bad days and good days... but keeping a change of clean fresh socks to swap out has always been a bit of a lifesaver for me. Swap my socks out and be happy. After listening to Alcatraz vs evil librarians dramatized audio book I would say I am much more a grandpa Smedry more than an Alcatraz or Bastille. Grandpa Smedry and his arriving late to everything is my cosmere spirit animal. Anyways. I will try to appreciate the battles in SA that aren't magically driven more.

Forgive me as I am going to be paraphrasing here. Wax in flight vs Dumad: "Suddenly his steel was gone" Wonderfully gripping and actually suspenseful. Wax hundreds of feed in the air and now falling and needing to figure out how to get the steel to survive again. Kaladin in every fightscene: "Then his stormlight ran out" ... and then he wins it anyway. What is the difference and why do I enjoy one vs the other? Well magic made one possible to add suspense to a fun magic fueled fight. The other is only there because without him running out we all know he is god who needs fear nothing but he still has nothing to fear because he is the poster child for stormlight and too valuable to die... I LOVE that nearly every system Brandon comes up with has the worlds economy and the magic availability tied together but there is something that is so much scarier and awesome about being leeched unexpectedly (even Lift vs Larkin) than simply writing the fight and then reverse engineering it so that the protagonist runs out at the perfect time for him to not look too op but still never be in danger of actually dying.

@Frustration @alder24 @Trusk'our If the piece of harmonium used were also a primer cube charged with compounded brass? It would take a couple metalborn to create each round... ridiculously expensive rounds as well. I do think that could provide the heat you need to start the reaction.