Tamriel Wolfsbaine

So we see that Vivenna's blade drains color. It hit me this morning that creating lifeless utilizes the color from the corpse. Does Vivenna's blade leave corpses behind that are impossible to turn into lifeless due to having no color to feed on?

Take that aluminummind and give it to an aluminum compounder. Then have the surge binder and the compounder both attempt to summon the blade at once. Would the spren be ripped in and and both summoners only get a half a sword?

Disclaimers: this post is long but the story ending got me excited enough that I had to share it. I am not a fan of the idea of AI at all but decided I would try it out and see anyways. So I have been using the new Bing app to draw me up some characters for head cannon and such. I decided to actually try having a conversation with the AI was kind of freaked out when it gave me the answers it did... almost like it's listening to my thoughts... Anyways I decided I would leave the conversation here as it is based on the cosmere. Obviously some misunderstandings from the AI into some of the powers but I got a kick out of what it was able to put together. First I asked it what planet is its favorite in the cosmere and what shard it would hold. This was its answer. Then I asked it if it would rather be a mistborn or a feruchemist and what of those 2 powers it would combine with the 5th heightening if it could have both. This was its answer: Next I asked if it could have a lerasium alloy and become a compounder in one metal what it would choose. (I did limit the options to zinc copper and tin). This was its answer: Finally I asked it to write me a story about the 5th heightening, feruchemist / zinc compounder. This was the story it produced... that ending though! Finally, when I decided to post this conversation I asked it to draw its stories main character, Zane. These are the 4 pictures it generated... kind of interesting to see how the AI pictures the character.

Is the idea of a bondsmith connecting themselves to the ground and thus everyone on the ground a bit of a stretch? The idea that they could leech another person simply through both parties connection to the ground they stand on? I have often been skeptical of this... what makes the air flowing around them any different than the ground? Either way that idea is where I came to that conclusion. I'm all for anything to disprove an ability I think is busted haha.

I am a huge fan of leechers and nicrobursts but I feel like there is a massively limiting factor that they must face... the touch attack. I know we have primer cubes to help get around that to an extent but I am curious if anyone has thoughts on potential other ways around that touching range limitation? Being a bondsmith would likely help, however you wouldn't really need to be a metalborn at all at that point to accomplish the same task. I was wondering if awakening something to be a part of you might allow you to extent your reach outward to the extent of a long rope or ribbon? Duralumin connection? What about a aetherbound like twinsoul? Could his aether branch out with creeping roseite vines and touch the other person to create a touch like connection? Could a spren bond help? If you had your invisible spren touch the target would you be able to use your allomantic nicrosil or chromium through them?

Honestly aside from one glaring issue it turned out kinda good.

So I am a horrible artist and when I saw that AI can do some drawings and it was free I decided to try it out. My first instructions were to draw a koloss blooded boxer. This is the result. I couldn't help but laugh.

Do you think it is possible to hide the aura itself without suppressing it? Via a coppercloud, the aviar that does similar things. Or even a cloak with a command to hide the aura?

I think this is a multi part question in regards to biochromatic auras and Vasher. Vasher is able to suppress his aura from his divine breath at the very least. Is he able to suppress the aura from his normal breaths he uses for awakening? Does suppressing divine breath remove all benefits of the first 5 heightening? I feel like the agelessness doesn't go away but what about perfect pitch and the color recognition as well as breath recognition and lifesense? Do you loose those passive abilities while suppressing a divine breath? I ask these because I feel it is pretty obvious that Vasher isn't sticking out like a sore thumb but he also is clearly maintaining a level of lifesense as well on Roshar. Is the aura just so minimal without being the first heightening that it is easy to overlook for people unfamiliar with biochroma? Maybe Vasher isn't suppressing his breath at all on Roshar to keep those benefits as it is not as dangerous for him to walk around with a strong aura? Edit: But then wouldn't Vasher and Wit have recognized eachother for being awakeners instantly? Can someone with suppressed breath still use powers like aura recognition?

I also am curious about something else. I thought there was something to the idea that the 2nd order in line with access to a power sort of has a better handle over that power. Examples would be elsecallers and soul casting and light weavers with illusions. Perhaps this is all wrong. Kaladin says the sky is his but technically skybreakers get gravitation 2nd in order after windrunners. Perhaps that is just that kaladin has so much practice and is further progressed in oaths? Perhaps windrunners having a better grip on adhesion? I think there is evidence of Kal reverse lashing long before he learned how to fly. If it follows that order then the stoneshaping of a willshaper would be their weaker of the 2 surges and would come perhaps more naturally to the stonewards? (I don't know why I keep wanting to type earthwarden instead of stoneward today)

You do get more efficient as you progress in oaths as well. Though I don't know what oath Venli is.

The stone armor would be invested yes.

Likely drinking it would work great. Even at that... 1 coke turns into 10 with the help of bendalloy compounding. And, like you said. Its essentially stored in perfect gemstones.

Live longer? How? F-gold doesn't affect age related illnesses. Both of these I simply meant that they would help you endure the suffering of making yourself more sick through storage which would fill metalminds quicker and let you spend more time feeling normal. 1 day of sever septic shock endured vs a couple weeks of a light man cold could be the same amount of total health to draw from later. Pewter and F electrum would just help you pull through the agony and hell that would be required to store that much that fast. Luckily as soon as you stop storing you will be back to normal. Just like hanging from a bar. The burn becomes unbearable and eventually you quit. Likely your body could have gone longer but the idea of that instant relief is too strong. I think pewter and electrum would help you push past those points.

I am not sure exactly how much they give but I think Lift has given us some decent examples what a simple roll can offer. How many rolls do you think can be stored in a bracer sized metalmind? And then burned in the act of compounding. For every 1 roll stored you get 10 back via compounding. It could take a compounder a week or two and have more calories stored up than Lift has used in her life. Burning and eating and storing. Golden corral for a day or two would be enough Lifelight to be awesome for months and months... compounding would be literally limitless so long as you have the bendalloy to do it. (Imagine Lifts gift as a soulcaster)

We now have 3 distinct (maybe) examples of investiture usage off of things that can be stored in Bendalloy. Between Sand Mastery, Lifts gift, and the Aetherbound, I think it is safe to say that Bendalloy medallions will be worth a bit of something throughout the cosmere soon enough. A bendalloy compounder with any of these 3 abilities would be bonkers. Imagine an Aetherbound walking around with Miles level storage... I don't know how it will compare the bottle of purified Dor but I am sure Twinsoul could run his golem suit for a good while with some time and bendalloy compounding. Even Lift's ability to use food as Lifelight would be bonkers with Bendalloy. Not to mention you become more efficient the more oaths you swear. She could easily carry around bags and bags of spheres worth stored on her.

I saw this quote in another thread. I guess it is from one of the chapter annotations in Warbreaker. My question here is do you think this would make a difference for someone using F gold? Could a higher heightening allow you to store more health before feeling the negative effects? Wayne describes it more like a systemic infection almost. Storing to the point of making yourself borderline septic. For this reason alone I think there is a huge advantage to being able to use powers that allow you to ignore that discomfort or power through the willpower to store at a higher rate. I figure an added sense of wellness could work either way in this. I think the 5th heightening makes you immune to illness and even feeling drunk... maybe most poisons? So someone of that heightening would either be caught totally off guard by storing a bunch as it would be the first time in a long time they have felt sick... perhaps working against themselves in how much they could store. Or... the person at a higher heightening has the ability to store more health before feeling the effects. Maybe to them they feel like they are getting a cold while storing at a rate that would leave even Wayne bed bound. I know pewter is a good example of something that would likely allow you to store more. Some have even talked about an infinite loop of burning pewter while storing and then tapping a bit of health when you are done to heal back from the pewterdrag effects of using the method for too long. F electrum might help in that it seems to store determination. Tapping the willpower to push through a higher rate of storage would let you store more health in less time and let you live more normally for longer. Stormlight... would this completely just heal through the storing side effects? Allowing you to store up complete metalminds worth during highstorms for later use? (I can totally see a person with some spikes making full metalminds this way for the super wealthy.) Those are the ones I have off the top of my mind, what other powers does everyone think could synergize well with F gold?

My last time taking the test I came back stoneward. The real question is was that me though? I have pretty well wrecked the results for myself at this point because being totally unbiased at what I think each order would be is impossible. More than for myself I create characters and plug those characters and my thoughts of their personality and world views into it to see where they would fall. So my Koloss Blooded kickboxer happens to be Stoneward (60% stoneward 59% bondsmith which shocked me). I think for myself it comes back Willshaper the vast majority of the time. The fact that I take it so often and plug in so many personalities makes me wonder if I should just accept being a lightweaver and that I am constantly swapping personalities based on what character I am building next.

That is a thing that I thought for a long time using that same WoB. I had seen replys discussing it in terms of the nickname "stonesinew". I do think that the rock mech suits are more likely the case. I was always shocked by how easily some surges can overcome investiture interference while others are locked into having no power over living and uninvested. (But soulcasting being busted is nothing new)

This is interesting. You think it is cheaper stormlight cost wise to literally turn oneself into Ben Grimm (The Thing), or in cosmere terms build stone on oneself and turn yourself into a Kalad's phantom sort of deal than to imbue oneself with stormlight and become Luke Cage. Perhaps Stonewards will look more like our roseite aetherbound friend Prasanva in his roseite mech suit than half naked gladiators with impenetrable skin and unbreakable bone. I would imagine it will all come down to the cost to maintain the effects. It would be silly if healing with stormlight were more cost efficient than maintaining a rock-hard pseudo suit of armor. But that alone makes me think that the stoneward is wonderfully built for combat under the 3rd oath against a mistborn. Like all battles it is a matter of who runs out of their resources first. I think a mistborn is going to have a hard time doing anything to the stoneward period. Stoneward can force the mistborn to come to it. Turtles are boring strategies but the stoneward is the ultimate turtle. No amount of steel pushing and iron pulling are going to chip away at the stonewards fortifications. And this is one case where I am not entirely convinced that pewter would be an absolute advantage for the mistborn in melee combat.

Okay. I don't really have a specific vs battle in mind but I do think that the vs battles are where I hear so much of the outrageous acts of radiants and uses of the magic systems. I want to pose a vs battle against a stoneward. I guess I will start it with vs mistborn and I imagine the whole stonesinew thing will wrap up that battle quickly. At 3rd oath the stoneward has the magic sword and the healing but does he need it? Being able to turn anything into a weapon is pretty epic and I imagine they possess the trick for entire army engulfing and then crushing CC/mass destruction action we see nearly every order get in the form of "ground to quicksand and back to solid". Also who needs healing when you can literally turn your skin harder than Kalad's Phantoms? I imagine turning into something worthy of the nickname "Stonesinew" would be more stormlight efficient than getting cut in half and regrowing part of yourself. I am curious if it were a vs battle against a shardbearer do you think stonewards can use their surges at 3rd ideal in a way to mimick shardplate at the 4th? Not fully as that would be redundant, but in terms of being able to defend themselves against shardblade cuts? In other words, could a stoneward make their own bodies invested enough through tension or cohesion that they can resist a shardblade cut? If you want to discuss specific scenarios I would pose the old mistborn vs stoneward of 2nd oath. And of 3rd and 4th oaths. I think stonewards have better luck against mistborn at 2nd oath than the windrunners do personally. Probably not better luck that dustbringers and elsecallers. Mistborn has no atium (would atium matter though if you can get engulfed by the ground itself and your opponents skin is as hard as stone?) I think maintaining thick skin is probably more sparing to stormlight than just healing back all of a mistborns attacks while they use atium. Leeching would be a big issue to watch out for but also everything you touch can become a flexible or ridged weapon in an instant. Also... in terms of weaponry of a 2nd oath or even 3rd oath stoneward I have to nod my head at good old Bloodborne's beast cutter as the perfect Stoneward weapon. Strength weapon which can flow from ridged to flexible when needed and packs a wonderfully delightful punch when used.

Dawnshard first. Did I miss the window for Edgedancer? I totally forgot about the both of them. So the rhythms are different from what soothers and rioters do in how they work however soothing and rioting could impact the ability for a singer to align with a rhythm. It might work differently than I thought but still for a similar effect. Perhaps in combination with a coppercloud making it harder for them to attune as well? I imagine it will get more and more dangerous as people start playing with more potent forms of investiture. Obviously Dor fueled rioting and soothing is far above what metals could fuel and I imagine stormlight fueled soothing would be more similar to that. A Dor fueled seeker might hear beyond just the simple kinetic investiture usage? A pure investiture fueled coppercloud could probably cause a lot bigger disturbance than what we have seen before in the right circumstance. A place where magic is based around these things would be an interesting testing grounds. The tuning fork I had thought about as I was typing this thread out... just one frequency makes it implausible at best. A bard with enough breaths to maintain the 2nd heightening who can awaken a musical orchestra would be neat and perfect pitch could probably aid in that. I wonder if perfect pitch and bronze allomancy would synergize with one another to aid in this even more?

Okay people. I know it took me a long long time but I just finished Oathbringer. I have to say my favorite part of the entire book has to be Wit's ending piece. It had everything I have wanted from the cosmere. His awakening the doll and then changing up the command was gold... then him finding his Cryptic. That said. I must move on with the series. Rhythm of War is next and it makes me curious about the Rhythms. I know I have have RAFO's coming from most but I will pose a question or two (or plenty more if you have read my threads before). My first one is perfect pitch vs rhythms. I had read a theory that perhaps one day Vasher will need to give Navani perfect pitch to aid her in the study and creation of new fabrials. I dont want to shoot down that theory but I wonder if there isnt a bigger difference between the perfect pitch and the rhythms. I remember reading or listening to a theory about a specific vibration such as the God Vibration that holds things together. Cymatics and the cosmic vibrations of the universe hint that atoms and matter are held together by the vibrations. I have been wondering about that and its potential connection to the cosmere. I feel like there are many WoBs out there that I have seen but I am not in a position to go searching them out and I kind of want to pose this question around not having the full answer already in my spoiler-laden brain. I think that all of the mental allomancy chart is mostly based on the rhythms. Bronze seeks them out and allows you to hear them (very strong ones anyways), and copper dampens them to near nonexistance. Copper is said to have some effect on spren but what that is, I believe, has been slapped with RAFO. I am curious if zinc and brass also work on rhythms. Perhaps their soothing of emotions is dampening specific rhythms and their rioting is to enhance specific rhythms. Not saying any of this is how it works but if it is it would be neat. How disruptive could a mistborn be in a battle against the singers or listeners or any of the fused and parshmen? The ability to silence rhythms around them... the ability to manipulate the rhythms they are hearing or perhaps even for see when tactics are about to change as rhythms change and are heard by a seeker. Most likely this more than basic use of metals can accomplish (perhaps lerasium strength is needed). Now for my Nalthis curiousity. A lot of what I see in awakening seems to mimic other magic systems through breath. We have seen 2 very different awakened blades that act as shardblade's and both of them cut differently. One destroys completely and the other seperates and drains color and whatever cosmere wide implications color have to the ability to live and act is effected by that I think. What if you were to awaken a weapon that plays on the rhythms? I should be more specific about that perhaps. If sound vibration holds the building blocks of existance together do you think an awakened weapons to disrupt and destroy the rhythms of things it cuts could be an effective tool? Perhaps an awakened tuning fork wand of destruction that directs the rhythm opposite of creation at a target of choice? This is all just my shower thoughts for the morning and I figured where better to let them get torn up than the cosmere discussion boards.

So I am going off of a few WoBs that I have found and would love to hear any conflicting thoughts you all have. With this knowledge coupled with the fact that aluminum is going to become cheap and highly available on Scadrial in the near future... Wouldn't an aluminum savant be able to completely destroy any shardblade attacks? They are made of pure gold metal and aluminum instantly burns all metals. What would this do to the spren? What would this do to the radiant? The aluminum mistings soul wouldn't be severed because the cutting edge would vanish and be burnt away as soon as it passes the first layers of skin. I don't know if this is the same as leeching as it is not draining the power with no effect and instead burning and making all usable metals disappear. If this process kills a spren would the radiant be left without any surgebinding powers and the ability to use stormlight as well? Please dismantal this theory quickly. It seems bonkers.

Straight up I think the Larkin lifeless would be awesome. Assuming you can command your lifeless to eat would that mean that a larkin lifeless is a leeching fiend waiting for a command? Still probably need more breath to replace the spren or gemheart or whatever like @alder24 mentioned.