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I got the idea of atium being burned by anyone from this thread where it was quoted as part of the potential screenplay changes that Brandon was working on. This was what initially caused me to question if a compounder if tin could compound atium even if only a sliver was left in the world to initially consume. The idea that God metals have that in common (being usable by everyone) sort of pushed me in that direction. Of course it isn't cannon as of now. Would be interesting to see how Brandon treats it in the future since atium will likely make a return.

I had a feeling that all of that could be stored. My 2nd question was more along the lines of how those senses are ... well sensed. If you have stored taste can you still use that metalmind to taste something if the tongue is gone? Same with long eye sight and losing your eyes. If you used a medallion or spike to gain the ability to use bronze or steel or anything that carries a specific sense with it, then stored that is using it again tied to your tin metal mind of is it tied to the medallion or spike which granted you the ability in the first place? I assume this would be less of an issue for atium if we assume God metals may be burned by anyone in which case a sliver of atium could be compounded for the future sight alone. Perhaps a tin compounder with atiums future sight stored would go crazy. But if that person had access to say an F zinc and to lesser degree steel medallion or spike they could use some of that speed to counter the mind destroying that that much future sense could give you. I am fascinated by the ideas of temporarily having access to a power and being able to store even small portions of those powers through feruchemy (nicrosil aside because that is a massive RAFO bag I cant be bothered to investigate further). The idea of compounding a portion of power that you temporarily had is an interesting one but I guess it all boils down to what holds the sense. Is it the tin or is it the tongue?? Can you even make a parallel like that from the physical world to the spiritual world to the cognitive world?

So I have been poking around the topic of tin feruchemy for a while. It seems that some feel that allomantic senses may be able to be stored. If that is true could a tin compounder also compound allomantic senses? More specifically if atium is revised to be usable by all folks as a result of it being a god metal would a tin compounder be able to burn even a scrapes worth of atium and then compound that future sight infinitely? This question dives a bit deeper into the whole identity thing but would someone who had access even for a moment to either a spike or medallion that grants either steel/iron or brass or even pewter (sense of balance) be able to then compound those senses infinitely even if they lose access to the spike/medallion that allowed them to use it in the first place?

I have to say I am just a total sucker for trolling folks. If they aren't watching where they are walking just stand and tap weight. Or tap speed just to watch in awe at bullet time. I dont know that I would make a great feruchemist... I think I would lean more towards the careless use of gold that we see Wayne use/waste. He is my favorite character.

100% agree feruchemy > allomancy. I would go as far as to say ferucheny > all other systems though. I am super bias to the usefulness of feruchemy. If there was just one metal from one system I would probably have to take Allomantic pewter though. The image of Vin and that devastating headbutt just plays over and over. As for the RPG. I would so be down depending on other folks availability.

I shall pay more attention to names in the future. That one should have been obvious haha. Edited.

I guess what I meant was more along the lines of a ferring using a totally unkeyed metalmind. They only have access to their metalminds and ones that are unkeyed as we see in BoM. In Wayne's case would he be able to store a massive amount of his own health into his own keyed metalmind while tapping enough health from the unkeyed one to keep himself alive as he fills his mind. Basically the ability to take something that was made to be used by everyone and transferring it into a metalmind that is keyed for himself and no longer allowing that investiture to be available to any other gold ferrings who may have wanted to use it?

I assume she was reffering to the autonomic nervous system which is how your body temp is regulated.

It is a shame. Full feruchemist all the way any day. I just think it offers the most useful options in most every situation... not just combat. I dont see any metals as being useless or unethical to use as a feruchemist. Even some things that I dont personally think I would mess with much could be sooo good in certain situations. Not to mention we live in a pretty cush world that makes storing even the harder attributes way easier. I have wondered; if steel feruchemy speeds you up and you precieve the world as being slower (the bullet time effect), then wouldn't filling it make you precieve time as being faster? How nice would it be to take long passenger rides / flights or even just plain boring days at work and being able to store speed and precieve the day to be going way faster? Feruchemy is my vote 100x over.

Thanks for pointing this out. I totally missed that no lie. I was listening to the book half dead driving that day (literally had no idea just how ill I was and was just focused on making my 10 hour drive in one piece). I totally pictured the southern people with big voodoo looking masks (warcraft troll mask vibes) and living in a tropical land... its good to know just how far off that was. I may need to go crack the book and actually read that section again as opposed to listening to it. This definately adds a thinking point to another thread asking about tech advancements on scadrial as well. The people who are living the harder life would naturally evolve faster or die out. The basin is too cush for advancement to be needed.

Pretty much the title. While he was reforming the earth did he just decide "eh these people don't need to be able to survive in the north"? If Wax and Wayne were to travel to Southern scadrial would they need a personal AC unit in order to survive? I know we haven't seen a lot of southerners but I couldn't help but wonder as I was reading why Sazed would create such an awesome part of the planet for our heroes and villains to enjoy but it is nearly uninhabitable by the other peoples on the planet.

I know I ask a ton of questions about feruchemy but this is one I am curious about now that we have seen metalminds that anyone can use ( ). Could someone with an unlocked or unkeyed metalmind wear it and tap its power while storing power into one of their own? And would this create a transfer of stored attribute that any ferring of said type could have used into a more full metalmind that only you could use? Pushing that question even further... could a full feruchemist store identity and connection while holding someone else's keyed metalmind to access its power? And if they could would it be possible for them to steal the stored attribute from that? Maybe it is too broken to imagine a feruchemist bad guy running around town touching other ferrings metalminds and stealing their attributes. I would imagine if it is possible and given the ability of ferrings to tap their entire store in an instant that it would just be the feruchemy version of leeching. Much more limited to only draining filled metalminds.

I'm not sure if this has any bearing on the reasoning but if a zinc ferring were in a field of science and that same ferring were applying mental speed to their specific field of study it could/would progress at a pretty quick rate. It could be that there simply aren't enough zinc ferrings to ensure each field of study is getting the same amount of invested brainpower dumped into it. Not only could it be a lack of zinc ferrings but I dont believe that being able to store into zinc actually means that you think better... your brain doesn't magically know the sciences that you want it to when you tap. It simply allows you to think faster on subjects you are already familure with. That isn't to say you couldn't use it to learn faster... but a zinc ferring who spent their life studying / working on making a car wouldn't be able to suddenly tap zinc and have the ability to make massive leaps in biology. I guess there could also be a much simpler answer too... because Brandon likes the world with these aspects at this time.

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I'm not opposed to the answer but the way nicrosil works is just so speculative still that I dont have my mind wrapped around that even. Some say you can only store the powers themselves and you can't even store any fuel for said powers. If that is so how exactly is it that hemolurgy works? When wearing the spike does it not give you the power? Or are you simply draining the power from a spike? I feel like hemolurgic spikes dont run out so long as you are wearing them... my question then is that what does keying have to do with storing a power you are currently accessing and using? If I am actively burning say pewter because I have Allomantic pewter from hemolurgic spike then why couldn't I store that investiture in nicrosil? Likewise would someone be able to store strength gained from pewter which was gained from a spike into a pewtermind? If so what would make the scenarios any different?

I had to go mistborn for this... but my real answer is to be a full blooded feruchemist. If a spike were to be allowed in my future I would take pewterA on top of it. Side question here. If a feruchemist (or even just a nicrosil ferring) had access to a ton of spikes could they transfer the power from the spikes into metal minds and make themselves near fullborn? Feruchemy is the ultimate magic system for real life imo. I won't get too far into the power struggle but sazed vs marsh shows us that even though it won't last forever, a feruchemist makes for a good fight and can be some of the most intense fighters out there for a short burst of time.

I wouldn't want to be a target for an inquisitor or be in their way of their target. But if I could sit an listen to a few stories I would totally go for it. Terrifying but it would be rad to hear a story or two.

So nicrosil is storing the ability not the power that fuels it? Does the nicrosil still only store X amount of said ability? Or if you have an unsealed nicrosil mind can it work indefinitely? I know we see certain medallions run out of juice but is that simply because in those situations the users can't afford to store those attributes more? With the bands it said they were running out quickly. Is that just because those attributes weren't being replenished at all or was it due to the nicrosil itself running out?

Hey all. I am intrigued by the way nicrosil works still. I have been led to believe that it is like tin where each seperate piece of nicrosil stores a seperate powers worth of investiture. If one were a full feruchemist would nothing but nicrosil metal minds allow that feruchemist access to all of their powers? Or is storing investiture just good for drawing out a power? Take iron for instance. Can you store weight into a piece of nicrosil? What is the investiture that is making an iron ferring heavier vs lighter? Could nicrosil only be used to draw out large amounts of weight? Or am I seeing nicrosil all wrong? I had read somewhere that allomantic stores could be burnt and stored into nicrosil for future but a new piece would be needed for each metal being burnt. On a side note. If a full feruchemist understood the storage of identity would they be able to tap other ferrings metal minds? I think it could make for a fun bad guy who is just hunting down and stealing as many metal minds as he can from other ferrings. Edit: I am aware that nicrosil is likely much more expensive than the more basic metals but I like the idea that nicrosil usage could somewhat hide what you are capable of which might offset the pricing difference a bit.

The bullet time effect is what I like most about Feruchemical steel. I would be such a wasteful Feruchemical steel user. To be able to just stand there and slow down everything around you as you tap speed and just slowmo look around. That would be a blast. Or slowmo walking around. Matrix dodging stuff for the fun of it.

The idea of a feruchenist with metalminds encasing his/her bones like wolverine is sort of terrifying and awesome at the same time. Enough gold they could probably survive the process as well.

I was asking similar questions recently and can't say that I fully understand it. However, I do think that the WoB is the best answer. I actually love that each book describes it a bit differently. All we see is characters perception of what it is. Or writings of histories trying to explain it. The desire to understand it all is totally something I have but I do enjoy the fact that not all characters see it for what it is. Having sperate characters describe how they perceive it to work is a ton of fun.

I guess in an effort to understand shardplate/blades a bit better. What is it about the investiture in shardplate that makes it work against shardblades. I know shardblades are negated by aluminum as well obviously. Is it just investiture that protects plate? If a bunch of metalminds were forged into plate themselves would it protect them from a shardblade? I do understand it would likely count as a massive waste of investiture but in the spirit of seeing if its possible. I'm sure stormlight and shardplate fill a lot (and I mean a lot a lot) faster than even a compounder could. But I would think its worth exploring. (Especially if it could add to scadrials chances in a war).

All the discussion is much appreciated. Thanks all. In this thought... human battering ram. Would charging a door and then tapping a bunch of iron actually give you the ability to break down the door or... from a physics standpoint is it more likely to make yourself heavier and then run at the door. Does the physical bonus of strength that comes from tapping iron (to cause you to be able to support the weight and move normally) allow a full sprint to continue as a full sprint no matter how much you store or tap iron and no matter what time you do it? I envision the free falling to be a spot where it is just your weight vs air resistance. But in a sprint your own effort driving you forward is going to be changed as you tap or store iron at a rate that is proportional to the weight you tap or store. Does tapping and storing effect your trajectory and velocity more when flinging yourself into the air than when using your body alone to propel yourself forward?

Okay. I think that helps make more sense of it. So those changes are still subject to any wind resistance would slow you even after an initial burst of speed in a fall assuming you have the space for it to work (opening a parachute just a hundred feet of the ground doesn't offer much help). Assuming you could use abrasion and make yourself slick enough to ignore that same wind resistance I assume that initial burst of speed would just take significantly longer to taper off. This said when falling and trying to pad your fall is it better to increase mass greatly right before hitting the ground or store everything you can while still a few stories up? Wax says that increasing his weight makes his body able to support that weight by default. Would him drawing out and becoming a couple thousand lbs for the split second before hitting the ground slow him enough to not shatter every bone in his body from the fall?

I feel like this is two different answers. My brain hurts after reading all the physics talk this morning on other iron feruchemy discussions. So storing makes you speed up as you get lighter, and tapping and getting bigger makes you slow down? Or is there no difference? If abrasion such as in "Edgedancer" allowed lift to lower so much friction that she couldn't feel the wind on her face even as she was moving would storing and tapping still make a difference? Or is the point that F-Iron won't change your momentum at all. Here are a couple of links to the threads that peaked my question. There is a ton of back and forth in these that I found a lot of fun to read. I just dont have the mind to work any of it out. Does air resistance and friction make any difference in the speed of a fall or not? I was always of the opinion that sazed floated like a feather super light. Is that because he started at a very light weight? The physics would support that making himself lighter mid fall would only speed up his decent and it is getting much heavier that would actually slow a fall. Which sort of destroys the juggernaut charge the door then fill a bunch of weight and break free. This would almost suggest that if you tap too much iron you would stop your forward progress completely. It has been a long long week. I just feel like iron feruchemy is sailing over my head as far as when to store and when to tap. Like I have thought about it backwards for years and years. I was on team tin for ferrings and just recently tried to understand more uses of iron.