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I see it as supporting the thesis that Ba-Ado-Mishram had something to do with both Honor and Cultivation, therefore being a compound entity of sorts, this could be related to theory as I specified further. I do not see how the WoB would imply that Ba-Ado-Mishram is a sentence, as the linguistics suggests more a compound word. Of course the part where each individual word plays double role of both referring to some aspect of the new entity and also refers to some original spren is purely speculative. But the fact that the Unmade with more hyphens seem more aware and sapient then the un-hyphenated ones lends some credence to the idea that some Unmade are/were gestalt entities.

Though remnants of Rayse were stone-grey, but they were mostly bones.

Very interesting, good observation on the breaking up of the names. It is kind of odd that Cultivation is trying to shield Nightwatcher from the influence of men, when she was in past an active bondsmith spren. It is possible that if she is based on the remnant of some spren part of which was reshaped into Chemoarish that she is more susceptible to cognitive influence than the Stormfather and Sibling are. One possible supporting argument (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406/#e14590) This would possibly support Ba-Ado-Mishram being in some ways related to Cultivation and Honor, possibly it was their first 'child' created by binding/cultivating 3 ancient spren together? With Sibling being the second try after Ba-Ado-Mishram was unmade by Odium, and made purely of them, without any predating Spren.

[citation needed]. Since storing it is described in degrees, that in fact suggests that it does not work like copper (or potentially) nicrosil, in being something discrete to be taken or stored. And if I remember correctly, even for tapping coppermind you need to be in contact with it, but here I am unsure. Spren bond to spiritweb. There is some relation between spiritweb, spiritual DNA, Identity, Connection and possibly Fortune (I am basing this one on Kal's talent with spear), but that does not make them interchangeable. Either way, to even make claim you could access the dead radiants identity, you would need to first initiate the bond yourself, so that the spiritwebs merge with the spren so that its identity merges with yours. And even this has the issue that after first oath the bond can be easily broken without any ill effects, suggesting that spiritwebs are not connected much. I could maybe see this if someone with Aluminum had reached fifth oath with deadblade, but I would still see it as very unlikely. Per the quote you quoted it does not purify spirit of injury, it "may be possible to cleanse spirit of unwanted effects of investiture". So, only spirit may be cleansed, and only if the effect was caused by Investiture which got into their spiritweb. This might be distinction without difference, but it suggests that if you damage the spiritweb without using Investiture directly, the effect might not be removable by Aluminum. And savantism carries downsides as well, so becoming savant to be able to heal spiritual wounds caused by investiture may not be a smart idea, depending on what the downsides of savantim are. In neither case anything in the books suggests charge is needed. And as @Frustration stated, those used in RoW were only in storage, possibly freshly build. If they required some charge Navani would worry about that, yet she does not and just grabs some. Everything in the books suggests that painrials simply magnify whatever feelings are there, sort of like Rioting physical sensations, no storage required. 'Just' reason to fight on a recon mission on another world (so illegal immigrant at best) against someone who does not even know (per your other comments) that Scadrial is a thing? How is proactive violence against someone who wages no war against you and yours nor prepares for one, and who in fact does not even know you exist (again per your other comments), how is that 'just'? You imply that Rosharan has no knowledge of Scadrian weapon, and in fact has little reason to suspect anyone without light is dangerous, so why would a fight against someone who clearly has no clue Scadrial is a thing, or any intentions to attack it, be justified? Either Roshar is actively preparing for war with Scadrial, which would imply that they have at least some information about it and its capabilities, then Agents actions could be called 'just' but he would lose his information advantage and Rosharan would most likely be prepared for a fight with someone with guns (so visor down -> no headshot kill -> agent dead in this scenario). Roshar is not actively preparing for war with Scadrial and has not information about it, then your Agents actions are not 'just' by any meaning of the word, as he simply murdered someone without any reason other than proactive violence against Roshar. One of the things we do know about F-Aluminum, is that when you are storing Identity, you are more susceptible to Forgery. So whlie the Agents is storing they are more susceptible to Spiritual attacks, in principle someone could quite easily overwrite their Identity forcibly when they are storing completely. Also, nothing suggests you can tap/store only some parts of Identity, you cannot tap/store only upper body strength for example. Thicker than one wall of scabbard. Resting an edge against surface is quite different from hitting the surface with any force. I can rest an axe against a log of wood without it going clean through, but if I put any force into the axe it will go through easily. In the current time the only Scadrians that now anything about Roshar are those involved with Ghostbloods. (and those wild Feruchemists that keep appearing), from what we know. Set seems to have some knowledge of extraplanetary things, but we do not know how much info is Trell sharing. Conversely, Roshar has easy access to Cognitive realm, their leadership now knows about other planets (Nalthis, Taldain, Scadrial if I remember correctly) and the spren society seems to be quite involved with worldhoppers (paintings from Nalthis for sale, silver chains from Threnody, etc.). Since we know that there was interplanetary trade though Pits of Hathsin, it should be easy for any spy to learn about Scadrial, Allomancy and Feruchemy from the spren or worldhoppers, even if only to Era 1 level of knowledge. This would still prepare them to fight Mistborn/Feruchemists and to assume that small propelled objects fired from seemingly nowhere can be very dangerous. The problem with that, from my perspective, is that when we are comparing speculation to speculation, then only sky is the limit. For example, up until RoW no one had any reason to suspect that stealing a bond (or any connection manipulation really) for unchained Bondsmith is as easy as reaching out and and moving connection lines. Or that they could drain away Radiants stormlight by connecting them to ground. What if they could simply take over the connection to Preservation when allomancer burns the metal, so that it is now the Bondsmith who gets the benefit of the metal burning? Or just simply move that connection to ground to remove the Investiture from Mistborn like Ishar did to Radiants? Or move the connection lines from metal to mistborn to themselves? In principle all of the above proposals are not that large extrapolation of Bondsmith powers, but I still feel that they are dishonest in this discussion. As pure speculation? Sure, why not. But when trying to compare two different worlds whose interaction we have not seen it makes more sense to me to stick to what we have seen, with maybe applying known effects to different goals then in-story characters have though so far (like making shardblade resistant armor from metalminds, semi-shardblades from metalminds, ettmetal weaponry, painrial mines etc.) Wax is the marksmen on Scadrial, in future they will have comicbooks based on his exploits. There is a reason modern soldiers/agents/policemen are trained to target the body, as that is the easiest thing to target, like in the (in-)famous Mozambique Drill technique. Sure, training against shardbearers would take into account that body shots will do nothing, but that does not change the fact that hitting just a head is a difficult thing to pull off in high pressure scenarios. Impossible? No. Highly unlikely? Yes. And we are not talking about heads, but about eye slot in armor. Per quick google around, most medieval armor eye slits were in the 4-8mm range in total height, so for a shot from ~7m into the slot 7mm in height you need to have a gun barrel aligned to precision of 0.25mm, and that is assuming 25cm long gun barrel. For concealed carry the ~10 cm barrels are usually used, giving you only 0.1mm tolerance on aiming. That is beyond Olympic level performance, and life or dead situation are a bit more stressful than that, not to mention the Agent would not have time to assume ideal shooting position, nor time to calm his breaths, nor time to aim as he liked. EDIT: I am surprised that I did not think of this sooner, but most of the usually used bullets have diameter that is comparable to the height of the slot, with the smallest being 4mm. So now the shot needs to be even more precise, as the above calculation kinda assumed that the bullet is point object (which was sloppy of me). If the visor is 7mm and the bullet is 4mm, than the bullet can deviate only by 1.5mm to either up or down to go through cleanly, in numbers (assuming the 10cm barrel of concealed carry gun) that is allowed deviation from the perfect hand position of 0.042mm roughly the width of 3 human hairs. But if the bullet is equally sized, than they need to pull of pretty much perfect shot, and if the bullet is larger than no luck. If you are counting on Rosharans unfamiliarity does that mean you acknowledge that without knowledge advantage twin aluminum scadrian does not stand much chance? No need, per so getting agent to Scadrial is not speculative (outside of if they can figure it out this soon) and their reason could be just a recon just like yours. Conversely, how could the Scadrian get to Roshar without anyone noticing is another question entirely, as Scadrian would have to use perpendicularity to travel and Shadesmar is quite populated and now in contact with Rosharans. Shardfork still cut (or stabbed more precisely) anything in its path with ease. So it seems that all you need to take advantage of the cutting aspect of spren-whatever is edge, or a tip. Whether shardblades cut cognitive only after spiritual is not known as far as I am aware. In fact I mostly red it that the shardblade cuts on spiritual and cognitive (where applicable) level first, and the second cut is only on the physical realm. But admittedly, I do not know. Yeah, that store Iron reforge into sword would be quite nice trick. I think it was a bit of an accident (if he had attributes the other way around it would not work), but very happy one, maybe I am underestimating Brandon here. @The Technovore This challenge is accepted. (in good spirits of course ) I do not think we have ever seen direct shardic action, except against other shards (Elend fueled with Preservation vs Marsh powered by Ruin directly). So no sharing of knowledge (although this might be okay) and no punching of hole from CR in the middle of Elendel. However Elsecaller could quickly take Bondsmith to the Elendel who would then open the perpendicularity. Harmony might well splinter under such pressures to give way to Discord, which might in some ways be more dangerous to the Rosharans or be inclined to join with War (War and Discord sounds like sure friends). Also Harmony might produce Lerasium (or tell how to extract if from ettmetal) and give it to Feruchemists to create at least 12 Fullborn (we have seen only 12 beads I think, so I take that as soft upper bound), who with at least some preparation (few days) should be able to ruin quite a few Radiants and general Rosharans armies. In fact I think only a bondsmith unchained could stand against just one of them. Kelsier would involve himself, and he might be fullborn-like at this point. I do not think voidspren would leave deadblades behind, only bonded Higher spren (of at least 3rd oath) leave behind blades. Division would not be able to split atom (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/122/#e3308) . Having knowledge of lasers and communicating it well enough for Rosharans to understand might not be so easy, lasers are much more than just a bright source of light, so you would need them to understand that 1) light is waves 2) light is also not waves 3) light must be produced to be space and time coherent .

Yeah, that would be the easier option Unless nicrosil allows storage of kinetic investiture, and then you would be less limited by time spent storing attributes. Bands of Mourning were quite small, but seemingly still not 100% full, so to store enough "natural" charge to fill metalmind the size of sword might not be feasible without compounding. Mistical, indeed . Punnery is a great past-time. I did not mean limitation due to Identity, but more mechanical limitation on Feruchemy, i.e. if it is possible to tap and store into the same metalmind at the time. But like I said, this could be easily overcome, so it is more engineering issue. What advantage would there be for the attribute stored in sword to be untapabble by anyone? To protect from Identity/Connection shenanigans, so the blade could not even in principle be drained in fight? I think that storing weight into iron, which is seemingly among the easiest attributes to store, and then forging that into steel is a great idea, as it helps overcome the difficulty of storing into steel.

I like the name 'Mistblade', it is quite mystical. The potential issue with this mechanism I think might be that while this application of ettmetal would result in very light, potentially very durable sword (have we seen mechanical allomancy? it has been a while since I fully read Era 2) it would not imbue it with the supernatural qualities of Nalthian or Rosharan Shardblades. It would definitely make for a good sword, but I do not think it would have that 'cut effortlessly through anything and cut souls of living things first' quality. Maybe also add F-nicrosil ettmetal part, to store investiture into the sword? As it seems being highly invested is important for the workings of Shardblades. The secondary mechanism of tapping the attribute sword stores is quite creative use, potential limit I see is that I am unsure if two different people/entities can tap and store into the same metalmind simultaneously. But this could be overcome by using two metalminds and alternating them.

Yeah, the fact that Nalthis uses Intents and Commands broadens their scope, and possibly complicates their analysis. I would call burning out eyes to be quite dramatic personally, I did not mean to suggests that the bodies would entirely turn to mist, maybe have some vapor/mist coming off for a short while, sort of like a fresh cup of tea. (that is comparison I did not expect). And something I meant to say before but always forgot, you have a really cool and funny username

Good point on Vivenna's Blade, I misremembred how it acts. You do have point with the thematic thing, as Rosharan blades burn out eyes and eyes are important on Roshar, whereas Vivenna's Blade drains color from those she kills, color being important of Nalthis. Wonder what the Scadrian or Selish equivalents would be, maybe smoking/misting bodies for Scadrians? Thanks for the link to theory, I will have a look.

Hmm, interesting question. On first thought I would say yes, as it is also solid investiture. But on second thought there are some differences, Atium is pullable/pushable. While originally a mistake, it is now part of canon, so that is one oddity and difference. Shardblades and even deadblades are not only a piece of solid investiture, but also a physical "body" of a creature (spren) with some spiritweb and remaining cognitive aspect. Atium seemingly has neither. Altough Honorblades being not from spren should also have neither spiritweb nor cognitive aspect, and yet they do the same as Shardblades. Since we have already seen semi shardblades from other planets created even without godmetals like Nightblood (although he is seemingly exceptional even among these) and Vivienna's blade, I would assume that using atium in creation of Scadrian "shardblade" might make it easier to do so. Interestingly Vivienna's blade effect is not the same as shardblades, so it is possible that the shardblades "severing of soul" aspect might be unique to some extent or at least require godmetals levels of investiture (as Nightblood has).

Now that the topic is semi-resurrected, is it okay for me to engage with it? Edgedancer hands down, they have healing, better reflexes, peak human strength and speed and on top of that abrasion. Here I would go with Thug. They will be faster, stronger and more durable. Windrunner will have healing but that draws a lot of stormlight so not a good idea to rely on that, but they are slower and weaker which complicates any direct attack, but they can stay out of reach with lashings, and if they manage to lash the Thug into the sky without getting caught they might win. So I would give it to Thug most likely, but the Windrunner could pull it of if they got lucky or were very skilled with lashings. Windrunner, assuming mistborn has no atium. They are much more maneuverable and faster in the air then mistborn is, have healing and have shardblade/shard-whatever. Emotional allomancy might force the Radiant into a mistake, but with the healing they could recover from anything short of decapitation. And on topic of stormlight burning, Kal at the start of oathbringer flew for 12 hours at maximum speed with only the spheres he could carry, so I do not think 3rd ideal Radiant running out of Stormlight would be an issue. Maybe if the battle lasted longer than 1-2 hours, but I think Windrunner could corner the Mistborn before than. Here I would give the advantage to Mistborn. Atium ensures that they can capitalize on any mistake of the Windrunner, the only downside is that it burns so fast. But if they had enough for maybe 1-2 minutes they would definitely win. I do not think this is properly answerable without going into RoW spoilers territory.

Are you by any chance mixing up Hemalurgy with Feruchemy? Per Feruchemy chart (https://coppermind.net/w/images/Feruchemical_table.jpg) Aluminum stores identity, not removes powers. Although there is this WoB(https://wob.coppermind.net/events/398/#e13235) that suggests that it might act like Identity sink, and not being tapable, as he did not refute it. Then again there are other WoB saying that tapping of Aluminum can heal cognitive/spiritual wounds (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/219/#e7836), implying that tapping of Aluminum minds is possible It is in Hemalurgy (https://coppermind.net/w/images/thumb/Hemalurgy_table.jpg/1920px-Hemalurgy_table.jpg) where Aluminum removes all powers. But the idea that since Aluminum is normally investiture inert would interfere with its Feruchemy sounds reasonable to me. Btw, you have great name, how did you come up with it?

I agree when it comes to the first shadblade wound, the one that does not damage physical aspect. But any additional wounds done to the physical aspect after the first cut I do not think it would heal those. I apologize for not being clear enough in my post.

No, any storing/tapping of identity is temporary, that is what Feruchemy does temporarily change some attributes of Feruchemist. Again, most likely no. If Identity stored for example understanding or experience, than completly storing your Identity (pre-requisite to creating unkeyed metalminds) would result in them loosing their ability to store/tap (as it is partly a learned skill). Nicrosil as we know, only stores investiture in ones own spiritweb, not one connected to it. Aluminum has no expansion potential, that would require you to force your identity on some other investiture, outside of scope of all metallic arts. Per coppermind, aluminum heals cognitive aspect, it will do nothing about physical wounds, no matter what the source of the physical wound. No, Identity identifies what investiture belongs to whom. Close connection does not imply shared identity, and again whatever connection the Radiant had, since the blade you are talking about is deadblade, the connection was explicitly broken. Really? What is the nature of this link? Please do say more. Nope, you just take a fabrial press a button and you are done, no charging (outside of stormlight) necessary. She literally just puts it against the skin of someone and flips a switch. Except the spren who do bond very clearly do not think that they can blame people currently alive for the sins of the past? Or they feel they need to to protect themselves from Odium? That is quite different from working with someone who killed someone(EDIT) you chose to bond with, I would even say that the Agent stealing (which is outside the scope of F-aluminum, but whatever) part of their partners souls would make them revile the Agent, not make it simpler. Me killing someones husband and then wearing their skin around them will not make it easier for them to accept me. Well, but if the Roshar is in conflict with Scadrial which has invested non-glowy people, why are they not more suspicous? Again, why do give information advantage to the Scadrian but deny it to Roshar? Navani did it in specially equipped lab after weeks of experiments. And F-nicrosil does not allow you to modify what you are storing. Why do you keep insisting on adding on new things on known abilities? Nicrosil stores investiture, period. It does not change investiture. And @BenduLuke calling someones views narrow and implying that they cannot understand basic and simple ideas is an insult. When people disagree with you, you seem to have a tendency to take on a bit of condescending tone, implying that you are capable of great intuitive leaps, that your ideas are simple and those who do not see it are narrow minded. No one has to accept your explanation which has no supporting basis whatsoever, outside of your own imagination.

Yes it allows them to bypass this restriction and allows them to tap other aluminum minds, but tapping someones Identity does not change your underlying nature. I would imagine tapping others Identity would be akin to Forging oneself, but less effective as it would only make you think you are someone else, it would not actually rewrite the spiritweb as Forging does. If it did, than tapping someone else aluminum mind is essentially committing suicide, as your Identity would be overwritten by the one you tapped. If tapping Identity allowed you to gain their investiture and knowledge, copperminds and nicrosil would be a bit redundant, as those do allow to transfer knowledge and invested abilities. While bond is connection, a person is connected to many things, but they do not become part of your Identity, so not storable, Feruchemists can only store their own attributes. Residual Identity is not a thing, Identity is most likely attribute of persons spiritweb, plus the bond between deadplate and Radiant is broken that is what semi-killed the spren. Aluminum allomancy allows to potentially burn away damage to cognitive (maybe even spiritual) self, not heal damage caused by investiture. If someone stabbed you with a shardblade that had its invested cutting somehow negated, you would still be a person with stab wound, no amount of aluminum would fix that, it aint gold. Nope, in the book they just need them to be turned on, or specifically to have their polarity reversed as they were originally intended as diminishers not augmenters. Painrial involve no storing whatsoever, and even if they did aluminum twin can store only into and from aluminum, not gems or non-aluminum metals used in fabrials. Why would there be a link between Feruchemical and Allomantic abilities of aluminum? What link is there between pulling metal and speed (steel), hiding Rhythms and memory (copper) or wiping investiture of target and Fortune (chromium), or is in these cases "it just does" a good explanation? Also in allomancy it wipes metals even when they are not being burned, i.e. even when they are completely uninvested hunks of metal, so why would it do that in your framework? There would be no investiture to be wiped. We also know that aluminum receptacle is a way of retrieving invested liquid from Perpendicularity and it does not negate this investiture, hence it does not work as anti-investiture. Since sprenblades are made from pure investiture (just as spren, since they are spren) and contact with aluminum does precisely nothing to the spren itself, outside of negating the invested cutting (but only for the aluminum) I really do not see any support for this conjecture of yours and in fact I see several to the contrary of it. Not to mention that once again, feruchemy works by storing Feruchemists attributes, not attributes of other items. There is exactly zero evidence that it does anything else. True it is odd that outside of metallic arts the aluminum is inert to investiture, but the key is that it is inert it does not interact with investiture at all. In fact we have WoB on this, (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/76/#e6364), all aluminum does is block investiture from passing through or it does not react at all, it definitely does not "wipe spren identities". Oh and by the way, the gems used in fabrials are the same as those used in spheres, so they do not resist investiture and in fact take it in quite nicely, you just need to leave them lying around in highstorm. And only some of them contain aluminum (6 out of 10), but since in metallic arts the metal must be quite clean and alloys very precise, I do not think chemical compounds would have the same properties (not even simple alloys of aluminum have the same properties, so chemical compounds would be even larger stretch, but who knows what Era 3 holds). That shardplate has connection to identity is your assumption. Of course he could not have taken on that Identity in the first place, because that person is dead. Also, again, reswearing ideals is not sufficient to bring back the deadspren, it might be if you were the same person, but alas your agent is not the same person as the original Knight. Even if Identity is key to connection, holding a key does not mean you move the door around or pull stuff from other rooms (that would be connection manipulations). Well, him using stormlight is bit of an afterthought after all the magic mechanism breaking things the Agent already did. How? If I stab someone I do not "impart some of my identity on them" I impart the blade on them. And Spren and Radiant are not the same entity and so would have separate Identities, there is no "combined identity". Maybe if it was fifth oath Radiant, then maybe they could be close enough to be one entity, but I doubt that. What would precisely happen when you are burning aluminum and there is a shardblade in you is an interesting idea, and I could see it causing discomfort to the spren, possibly similar to the leeching. Ehm no, it is a magic system facilitated from the interaction of two shard (or now one intermingled shard). Nahel bond requires two willing participants, so you would first need Harmonys says so, second it would again be connection manipulation, not Identity. And Feruchemists connection to Shards is passive one, they get no power directly from Shards only some parts of SpiritDNA/spiritweb encoded with abilities. Well why the hell would they do that? Accepting bond to someone who in some cases killed their chosen Knights, narratively that makes no sense. And why is the Scadrian not affected by the additional identities he imposed on himself in your narrative? I can write a one paragraph story on how Sibling, Ba-Ado-Mishram and Nightwatcher all decide to bond Dalinar making him super-bondsmith for all three shards, but it does not exactly make that relevant for this thread does it? You writing a narrative (your own words) does not mean we have to accept it as realistic. Well I wrote down a list of 9 items that break the established mechanics, but to choose two: 1) Feruchemists store their own attributes, not those of others. 2) Identity manipulation is not the same things as connection manipulation, there is a reason those are two separeta attributes. Without these two assumptions your entire scenario falls apart. And I am not convinced in the near invincibility of Radiants, just that Scadrials invested arts are simply not strong enough (outside of few exception) to deal any large damage to Radiant with plate. The tools they have even the field somewhat, but I do not think they are enough to close the gap. EDIT: You also assume that the tapped identity somehow becomes part of the Agents identity, but that is not how Feruchemcy works. Even if (and that is one big if) he could somehow store identity of someone else, he would need to be tapping it continuously. In fact, the only know permanent way to overwrite your spiritweb is with combinatin of Hemalurgy and Allomancy, where burning hemalurgic spike would spice recipients spiritweb with spiritweb of the donor, to weird effects. (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/210/#e4616) So here again you assume that the Radiant is not aware the Scadrians (i.e invested non-glowy people) could be threat, why? Why is the Scadrian well informed about their oponent, but not the Rosharan? I do not think he could either revive the blade, much less relieve memories (Identity =/= Memories) of some one dead for 2 millenia. I would really like to meet the people who can shoot (consistently) moving target the size of 3 cm at best from 7 meters, whilst lying on the ground pretending to be incapacited and shooting under angle. In our world people who pull shots like that are on the Olympic teams in the 10 meter shooting competition and they have much favorable conditions to do that. Why would he need Raysium dagger? Unless he has some kind of connection to local shards he will not be able to pull their investiture into himself anyway. And tones and anti-tones sound the same, it is the intent that differentiates them, but maybe the Seeker could do that. But that would still not allow him to make his from the usual light, since neither allomancy nor feruchemy allows direct manipulation of investiture, only storing/tapping.

I personally think that Hoid did make a mistake there. We know that he sometimes fails (on Sel for example), and Fortune is not fool proof. I think that he had no goal outside of taking some potshots at Rayse, because he managed to get him to agree to contract which should protect Hoid from his direct action. Hoid seems to love when he gets away with stuff right under other people's noses, and this would be one of the best things we pulled, and he pulled it on Rayse whom he has a grudge with. So now thinking he is protected, and knowing that Rayse is not the sort to try anything but brute force due to his arrogance (Rayse seems to act like textbook Narcissist in both Oathbringer and RoW), decided to bask in his own greatness and thumb his nose at Rayse. However, Hoid lacked a crucial piece of information, that Rayse was replaced by Taravangian. Even with Fortune this information would be denied to him, as it happened due to actions of Renarin. Everyone thinks that Szeth killed Vargo with Nightblood, and evidence seems to support it so he would have no reason to suspect anything else. So lacking this crucial knowledge that his opponent is now someone much more crafty and measured, he goes to the fateful encounter and we get to see someone best Hoid for the very first time.

I would see the grenades as more useful application than bullets, as I would assume that Ettmetal while not as rare as Lerasium is not particularly abundant metal, so using it on one use bullets seems like a bit of waste. The grenades could be recovered, recharged and reused and so would be more economical use of the Ettmetal.

Oooh, I like this. I agree with most of those (and TenSoon is great, he is just as opinionated as Rhyshadium are ), I was especially pleased with you assigning Lightweaver to Wayne as to me that fits him perfectly (why are all the Lightweavers a bit of sad clowns?) However, I will disagree with Kelsier, he just does not seem to be like a particularly lawful sort. I do not see him as swearing those ideal especially the third one, with Kelsier being motivated more by vengeance. I would see him more like Willshaper, with seeking freedom and wishing to free others, and not letting laws stand in his way. Though this still does not fit quite well, as while he does good things in Era 1 I see him as being very selfishly driven if that makes sense. I would propose Marsh for Skybreaker. Something about him strikes me like that, but I cannot really put my finger on it. Sazed is interesting one. I would see Terris Feruchemists in Era 1 in general as entire culture that would be Elsecaller aligned, but Sazed is bit of outsider to them and a bit rebellious against their traditions. His focus on remembering religions, and his particular care for them would in my opinion move him closer to Edgedancer (remembering those forgotten cultures, and in his own way trying to help those who are ignored). But I could see him going either way, in summary I see him as someone who was raised to Elsecaller values but he personally is more drawn towards Edgedancer ones. On other fronts Raoden (Sel) on Roshar as being very similar to who Adolin is, with him being the one supporting and taking care of others, so probably Edgedancer. Lightsong as Lightweaver. He was very determined in seeking out truth about himself and he strikes me as someone who would very well embody the aspects of Tien and young Shallan, with him trying to cheer and brighten things up. His self-sacrifice both in life and in Return also reminds me of Tiens willing sacrifice. Khriss as Truthwatcher. While Elsecallers are also somewhat scholarly focused, they seem to be less concerned with knowledge for knowledge sake and more as knowledge as means to some end, so Truthwatcher fits better to me. Interesting question, I would see book 2 Elend as closer to Sibling (with him being interested more in discussion and democratic means of wielding power) but book 3 Elend would match Stormfather quite well I think, being able to be forceful with him when necessary like Dalinar is.

This seems like a reasonable idea, although in non-paired fabrials it sounds like it would work very similar to pewter (unless I am misunderstanding). I would propose alternative, in feruchemy duralumin stores connection, and in allomancy we could read the burst coming from greatly increased connection to Shard in the moment of burn. Hence I would propose that duralumin in fabrials could be used to increase effective range of conjoined fabrials by strengthening the connection between the halves of the gems, albeit at the cost of greater stormlight use potentially.

I am basing my time estimate on how the events that take place, Straff notices her and does not even have enough time to try and move out of the way, that to me puts a time limit of 10 seconds at most (that would lead to 120 m fall for Vin, assuming Straffs camp is on equal ground to her starting point). Second, Vin has no way to navigate in the air, nowhere does it suggests that she used pushed/pulls to make herself more precise (she describes her move as duralumin Steeljump) and yet she landed a perfect killing strike. So one jump with no secondary aid, I do not think it could possibly be more than those 500 m long. Third, Straff and his aids can clearly see the Koloss on the other side of the field, close to Luthadel, and they do this without need for tin. Next the Koloss are not out of range of archers, the second they start charging Janarle commands archers to prepare volley, so they should be close to archer range. Since british longbows had maximum range around 300 meters, with effective range around 200 meters, the Koloss are probably not too far from that distance. Now, I am not sure if Koloss are much faster than normal men, but assuming they are twice as fast they could cover 200 meters in about 12-15 seconds, more than enough time to prepare volley even if they were 400 meters away. If they were 1 km away the archers would have more than a minute to prepare. Also Vin and Kelsier reach 30 meters when trying to go vertically, Vin was targeting someone in horizontal direction so she would fire herself under 45 degree angle at most, possibly lesser one if she is confident enough in the strength of her push. Either way, even surviving that minimal 45 meter drop is quite a feat since she seemingly did not use any pushes to slow herself down, the only thing that broke her fall was her killing Straff and his horse. Speaking for myself, I mostly reject what seems to as baseless speculation that extrapolates wildly outside the known bounds. Like for example assuming that f-aluminum allows storage of other peoples Identity, when all Feruchemical abilities only target themselves. Brandon also RAFOs things when he is undecided, or does not want to lock himself to it just yet, it does not necessarily mean it is a big relevant secret. I do not mind acknowledging creativity, but when you take quite big liberties with mostly known limitations and real world physics, that I do not see as worthy of acknoweldgment. If we are not working from the same (or close enough) working facts, we can hardly ever agree. Yes Hemalurgy, the magical system famous for its ability to steal abilities of others. Not Feruchemy, system known for the fact that it is only fueled by the person themselves, and does not include others in its workings at all. Leeching is allomancy, Nahel bonds are entirely different system. Ultimately, Feruchemy is limited to storing/tapping attributes of the feruchemist, so doing things like storing Identity of some one else is outright impossible (not to mention, it is a bit difficult to store Identity of someone who is dead for millenia). F-Aluminum allows for storage of ones identity, the entire Feruchemy is only about storing/tapping your own attributes. Even compounding is just adding fuel on top of it, not storing attributes of others. F-Aluminum allows creation of blank metalminds usable by anyone with correct ability. Fast tapping can heal/restore cognitive aspect (by reinforcing the you in you, I would presume). It would most likely not allow Burning away pain from painrial. The painrial enhances the physical feeling in the physical body, it does not seem to target the cognitive aspect. If it does work by manipulating cognitive aspect directly, then yes I could see Trueself removing the pain (like they could remove/resist Rioting or Soothing). Manipulating connection (so no piggybacking on the connection of deadblade, if it even has one substantial enough to someone dead for millenia) Storing Identity of others (no identity of dead knight to store), this is general limitation of Feruchemy, its most basic principle. Not even compounding will get you around that. Storing pain into painrial, because a) That is not how painrials work, and b ) Emotions =/= identity, so no storing of that (and painrial is not made of aluminum anyway). Reestablishing bond with deadspren. Here f-aluminum does nothing at all (and reswearing oaths is not enough to bring the spren back anyway, there are WoBs on this). Manipulating connection again (to find the other part of the plate). You could argue that the plate is part of the Radiant, so it should tie into their Identity, but your Agent is not the original Radiant. They swore new ideals and would have to earn their plate. Again storing others Identity is not a thing (the part with the Skybreaker). Altough he might heal the shardwound with Aluminum, that is true. No stolen identity (not how Feruchemy works), no bond (and spren can break the bond if they so wish). The whole Nahel bond to Harmony. That is at best connection manipulation, definately not related to identity. Again, I do not mind creativity and speculation, but there are so many problems with your scenario that break established working principles we might as well say that any magic system can do anything, and any spiritual ability can do everything. That is in no way useful. Also @Frustration did post a few scenarios, you did not engage with them. If anything I am the one mostly contradicting others, but even then I do try to add something to the discussion. Storing your identity does nothing in the sense of manipulating others, those are connection, that would be F-duralumin (and again storing =/= manipulating). Absorbing others identities is not within scope of F-Aluminum (could be achieved by burning of spikes though). Also, if they somehow did incorporate others identities, they would shift their goals and opinions, because they would literally alter their Identity. If they absorbed bunch of Rosharans their identity would most likely shift so much they would just join Roshar again. Direct division will be most likely nullified, but they would need to be burning immediately, or Skybreaker could just divide their clothing and watch them burn. And it is nice that you assume that not only is your Agent a perfect marksman, but you assume that he knows his opponent and Radiant does not, I think this is very telling. Seeker/Soulbeare -> just lash a bunch of stones in their direction, no need to lash them directly. They do not have speed or agility to dodge more than a few. Carrying different anti-lights in the nicrosil minds is interesting idea, if it is possible to store light, of course the issue is that he cannot create the light outside of laboratory, so no in-field recharging.

Interesting, that would make them much more frequent than I assumed. So Misting are more frequent than ferrings. Mistings are less frequent than 1 in 50. Mistings should be more frequent than around 1 in 200 (per Coinshot comment). The distribution of Twinborn is not just combined rarity, due to Terris being more isolated and possibly due to spiritual interference between allomancy and feruchemy.

True, and it would make sense that lesser spren form less resistant physical form and that the stormlight helps empower them/strenghten the armor.

Yeah but her entire flight start to finish took between 6 to 8 seconds in my estimate. If Straff is at same elevation as her starting point, then from symmetry she fall half the time of the total flight, which is between 3-4 seconds, and from that we get 45-80 meters (0.5*10*3^2 = 45, or 0.5*10*4^2 = 80). He very quickly corrects himself on her not being an arrow (the very next sentence he says the the object is too large) and he very specifically is not burning metals in that situation (he describes how his drug makes him feel as if he was burning metal). @Frustration Interesting, from the book I took it as the horse being cut in half, but Brandons comment suggests he thinks it should be more tearing and smashing. The only sentences in the book are "The horse fell into two pieces, front and back. What remained of the former king slid to the ground with equine corpse." So not really much to go on. Previously Vin is also described as hitting Straff directly in the head and then continuing down.

I would think that drawing enough stormlight to recreate even just lesser spren is much greater expenditure than empowering one, since living blades are third most invested objects in the cosmere (after shards and nightblood). It is true that as far as we know plate requires stormlight. But most plate we have seen is deadplate, and gems were added later (thanks for the WoB @Bearer of Agonies). My reasoning would go this way: To summon sprenblade stormlight is not necessary, and both shardblade and shradplate are composed of living spren. You need to add gem to deadblade to restore some original functionality (summoning and dismissing), to deadplate you need to add gems to fuel it with stormlight to make it function. Living plate is described as always there, even when not visible and when the Radiant does not have stormlight in them, suggesting they can summon it whenever they feel like it. My conclusion: Deadplate needs stormlight to restore the semi-dead lesser spren to functional state. Unlike deadblade, deadplate needs stormlight since its spren are asked to do active things like move around, not passive ones (just exist as blade). Living plate would then need stormlight to either reinforce itself (as @HSuperLee suggested), or to repair itself, but since the spren are still living it would make sense to me if new ones could be attracted to the flock. The fact that the transfer of Shardplate could be related to oath of protection is a good point, that could limit its use (although immobilizing opponent instead of killing them could be considered protection). On the second point, as far as I know spren do not require stormlight to function and exist, and deadplate is evidence that to remain whole requires no stormligth, only fixing it and using it.

For the second idea one basis was that it seems odd to me that living plate would sap the fuel of Radiant when damaged, hence alternative mechanism for repair which does not hinder radiant, with the repair fueled by stormlight serving as an emergency backup (if the lesser spren aren't around). Of course the issue with damaged plate sapping Radiant could also be circumvented if Radiant could will the plate to not heal for sometime, or to focus the healing.

I meant my post as a reply to @Frustration, where he was comparing arguably greatest feat of d-pewter for which we have good numbers for force (crushing human head) to feat of shardplate. Where did Dalinar fall 50 feet? I vagualy recollect it, but I was unable to track it down in book. In the book there are no numbers (it is on pages 705-706 of WoA, start of 55th chapter), either for angle of her jump or the distance between vanguard of koloss charge (her starting point) and Straff (her end point). We do not see the moment she pushed off (only through Straff's eyes), only her landing. Her flight took about ~6-8 seconds (my estimate based on Straffs thoughts), which would put her maximum height at ~45-80 meters (assuming her landing position is at same height). Is the Straffs camp at some heightened position or not? And yeah, the text says she bisected the horse with Koloss sword, into front half and back half. From the description the only way it makes sense to me is that she must have held the sword with its tip pointed down and she dragged it through both Straff and the horse (she hits Straff first and on the head, the only other way I can imagine that is if she fell straight down, but then would not make sense to describe what she did as "jump").