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I imagine it depends on the Intent of the Returned doing the healing. It would be kind of funky to try to ejected Kel out of his host body like that, but I guess it's a way to mess with him. Kinda pricey considering how much of a hassle recruiting a Returned to self-destruct as an attack that isn't even certain to actually eliminate the target though. But if they wanted to restore him to having a full mind-body-spirit unity, I don't see why they couldn't? The amount of magic power that a Divine Breath seems to represent feels like it could make a new body for him and attach him to it securely. Maybe he is too heavily Invested to manipulate the whole "I am 300 years old" part of his spirit web, so that could also be a risk, but it would be kind of weird.

Yeah, a weird thing on folks acting like Radiants are stuck operating on the level of Shardbearers if they are lucky: They can just barter for spheres that have Warlight in them. Sure, figuring out how to form relations with the people who just won their epic liberation struggle against the a force which was calling itself the leadership of the Radiants will make this a little tricky, but Jasnah can Soulcast, Renarin and Lift can heal people. Radiants with abilities like that who are walking around probably won't have too hard of a time finding people willing to pay them in lighted gems for services rendered.

Could be a mix of the Intent of the guy giving up Honor and the guy picking it up and merging it with Odium. Taravangian effectively has something like a Black Domain as described in Liu Cixin's Death's End; his home territory is one where it is costly in terms of time for an enemy to enter and leave. I could imagine him enacting something similar on worlds he has conquered on purpose, since it ensures that any major insurgency or rebellion will be delayed and any foreign attack will be bogged down by time itself. Sure, they can prepare their defenses more effectively and he won't get as many resources out of new conquests, but he's worse at the stone cold killer routine than Jasnah who is worse than Shallan; he's third rate at best. This lines up with one of his dirty little secrets: He didn't sacrifice Kharbranth like he wants Cultivation and presumably all of his other enemies to think. He talks a big game about being willing to relentlessly pursue aggression, but the thing that gives him the flames of passion that he needs to keep Odium fed is his reaction to the loss of life. Simply put, he is loss adverse. He seemingly favors defensive strategies over offensive ones, just as a matter of personality. It might be that, were Taravangian a different person, the time distortion might have worked the other way around: Giving time to the people of Roshar before they had to encounter the larger Cosmere. Giving the Honor-Child time to observe how Taravangian treats his subjects over multiple generations instead of half of one. Dalinar was kinda winging things at the end there. It seems like the only thing he really had going on for a certainty was "Well, I bet this Honor-Child business will mess up whatever Taravangian is planning. That or some other Shard will show up and deal with this mess, because I messed up by following a dead fool's barely thought out plan."

Oh, this actually would play really nicely with one of the ideas I had about what might be done with the whole "Well, we can't imprison BAM forever, because it jacks up the planetary vibes, but also she's genocide levels of angry" tension: I feel like having Bondsmiths for the Unmade just makes sense. They are big Spren. Taravangian wants to keep himself at a remove from his operations for safety reasons; even if he doesn't have to worry about other shards just coming at him, I assume he understands that making a body to show up himself like Rayse did is a way to get stabbed with Nightblood. There's a lot of usefulness in having ways to distribute huge amounts of Light and cross between the different realms. Maybe there is some mechanics of the magic that makes this impossible, but I kinda assume Taravangian is going to want to keep the process of having Spren form Nahel bonds with physical realm beings to produce invested fighters. The Fused are good for producing combat veterans who can train Radiants, but otherwise it seems pretty clear that a Radiant in Shardplate is just a far superior warrior than the typical Fused. This all eventually getting away from Taravangian, because he's trying to be a singular god-king and that is a lot of spinning plates to keep up, and ending in him getting ripped apart by some version of Adolin alongside a version of Ba-Ado-Mishram who has usurped the everstorm or something would be neat.

Not enough cool fashion going on. I dunno if she had her whole sense of self destroyed. She clearly was effected by her failure, and it did not help that basically her entire social circle either died, went into a coma, or she broke up with them. Gotta be really awkward for her around Renarin. First of all because Renarin is an awkward dork by default, but also that "Still sorry about that one time I almost executed you for no good reason" business.

The Assemblages of Worms Nation's Origin: Stranded Space Ship Crew National Colors: Green, grey, blue Nation's Government Type: "democratic contractual investiture" Nation's Faith and beliefs: Maintainers of the Craft The surviving crew are all part of the ship's self repair system. Those who skillfully mend the living world are pious. Where the fremen of Dune see God in the sandworm, the worms see God in their ships. Nation's Ruler: They don't have a singular ruler. There are three executive offices that are appointed to half year terms by the legislature: The chief of security manages affairs of both interstate relations and warfare. The chief of laws manages internal security and acts as final arbitrar in the court system. Finally, the Grand Cybenticist is charged and empowered to coordinate the various guilds to realize the economic objectives set by the legislature. Nation's Primary Race(s): They are like the Lekgolo, or the worms that make up Hunters in Halo. Each independent body is actually a gestalt organism composed of hundreds to thousands individual lifefroms. They typically interact with the world using artificial exoskeletons. For ease of imagination, the bodies in their planetbound civilization is somewhere on the spectrum of the the Keepers of Mass Effect and the extraterrestrials of District 9. Nation's Total Population: Millions of individuals, ~ 5000 working shell bodies. Magic or technology use: High technology use. Their origin as space faring people did not include things like FTL or planet destroying weapons. Other information: Where did their ship come from? The ships that they are native to are like the vessel in Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke: It is a non-FTL museum and possibly habitat for multiple species. The worms are part of the ship that is incidentally sapient. This does have existentially important meanings for these people: They exist to repair the ships. This is why they ship makers made them. They have spent so long existing in the ships that "good ship conditions" is a kind of theological question for them. There is believed to be more than one ship and that they reproduce in ways like either bacteria or viruses, but the crash landing killed everyone onbroad with a strong understanding of that process. Having crash landed is a huge crisis for them. It's as if the Black Death happened all at once. What it even means to be alive in a world after their ship crashed has created schisms in their society, which I'll explain elsewhere. Also all of the guest aliens died. The worms aren't the least xenophobic historically, but considering they are already so different from humans. I don't want to also make this all even more complicated by adding more kinds of biologically distinct beings. What is democratic contractual investiture ? If you can imagine a version of dinect democracy where everyone is able to delegate and recall a kind of transferable democratic power at will. So it's direct democracy, until someone is like "Hey, we vote the same way. Wanna trade who actually shows up to this place on a weekly basis?" or whatever then that's acceptable as are variations there in. There's no districts nor a fixed number of voters. Rules on having a quorum ensure that a majority of the citizenry must be represented for a law to be binding. I didn't come up with the name, but this always just felt like a fun idea to me. Internal Divisions The reactions to being on a planet with a dead ship vary among the worms. The instrumental goals of "acquire industrial power" and "preserve ourselves" unite the entire Assembly, but the end goals are multitudinous. The first goal to take shape was the restoration plan. The ship could be revived by resuming functions and somehow getting out of the gravity well. The more radical proponents of this goal advocate expansion for the sake of resource extraction. The counter proposal to this is the Harmony plan. These assembly members believe that the ship crashing into this specific planet means this planet is effectively the new ship. There is also a syncretist position, which supposes that this planet has been chosen to be the material that is turned into more ships. This is a minor faction as it would require a lot of new technology and also it means confronting the questions about why the ships should exist. Starting location:

Do you? Do you think France collapsed at some point in the 20th century?

This is a baffling way to measure a country that I don't know how to extend to any other region. Is Japan your gold standard for culture because their imperial institution is among the oldest in the world? Does the USA become less good in your eyes every time an amendment is passed to the constitution? What do you think the movement of one Republic into the next has been for France? Why do you think the reform of the state is somehow a black mark on it?

France was one of the great world powers of the 19th and 20th centuries. It continues to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world. I don't know how to respond to the idea that France has been a ruin in the last 300 years. I think there's a lot to be said about how France has brought ruin to West Africa, South East Asia, and North Africa, but then I am not sure what rich country isn't connected to that history.

One and two are your personal preference, and not on the order of "Wait, is this a crime?" right? Like, if you saw someone getting intimate with a dog, that's upsetting because the dog can't meaningfully consent. But if someone found an adult and talking octopus to engage in a Fisherman's Wife situation after talking it all through, that would not have the same upsetting element, yeah? The third requirement you have is even weirder to imagine for me. One of my highschool friends was born to and raised by a lesbian couple. They couldn't get married in the state they resided, but they had two daughters via IVF and donor materials. The fact they couldn't create children with each other was nothing weird to me, since my own mother had undergone voluntary tubal ligation surgery after her second child was born healthy because she decided she didn't want any more children. She went on to get divorced and remarried after that. The notion of something like the Harkness Test is more a way to judge the morality of fictional characters. I get that some people's personal preferences and morals around intimacy are "When married, with the understanding that it's for making babies". I actually looked through the Roman Catholic Church's catechism for fun once, and I assume some people take that all to heart, but I hope modern people are tolerant enough to let others be different.

People were starving in France. This is the common matter between a lot of periods of the most rapid social change: People in mass will tear down the old system because it was killing them, while smaller groups will try to vie to be the one to replace the system. While you are right to be critical of the propaganda put in the time period, you should understand that there were actual shortages of food in France before the revolution. Same. It feels like their perspective on the war would be so different from the Listeners or the humans.

https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/what-is-the-harkness-test-and-when-should-you-use-it Due to the taboos around sexual intimacy with non-sapient beings, science fiction fans have come up with some answers to "is it acceptable that those two characters are doing that?" for kissing stuff. It is named for a character from Doctor Who. I think that is because, for a lot of people, fantasies of love are about those moments of intense feeling. That and stories about people kissing with feeling have a kind of excitement to them that is not too different from the excitement of characters sword fighting.

Well, that's a relief. Back to posting I guess. I am sorry that you think this is obvious, but it is not to me. I always found this quote from Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court a bit helpful for getting my views on this across. I hope you don't mind the continued focus on French history but french scholars as a fondness of mine Further more, I do not know when or how "social changes by fiat, all at once" in a literal sense can be said to have happened. I know of periods of rapid social change, but those tend to be the product of the confluence of systems collapse driven by material and social conditions. I admit, I am not a historian in any formal sense of the term, but give me some examples of these kinds of moments of "massive social changes by fiat" so we can understand each other.

Okay, so I am sorry to jump on you about this but I really want to know: What do you mean by "This is fantasy after all"?

You should try to tell this story in Haiti. Those scars you are describing, who's fault are they? In the USA, how long should slaves have waited to be given freedom in the South? Should the Russian peasants have accepted that it was their lot in life to be sent to die in WWI and not resist? Also, where do you think society is without the ugly scars of class division? Do you think that the UK, which did abolish slavery by law after first instituting it across the world, is without racial strife or material inequality? Do you think the people who desperately try to cross the channel into England, and are subjected to deportation, aren't the scars of the English Empire in the same way that the racial disparities of the USA are the scars of that country's history of cattle slavery? Likewise, the Napoleonic Wars were what ended serfdom in huge segments of Europe. Is a decade of warfare somehow not scarring? I don't know where and how you think truly peaceful social progress has been made, but I think you should learn more history. Where neither slavery or serfdom itself was not the pain of the lower class, there is the similarly horrible experience of the 1954 Guatemalan coup, where colonial overlords have brought down terror to shape society in their favor. This is not to say that no project like social democracy is possible. There were successful programs to implement social security, workers rights, and even certain women's rights during the time period you are describing and they were larger civil. Getting back to Roshar, I think if Jasnah's program of freeing slaves and instituting legal equality had been what the Alethi had been doing, instead of their War of Reckoning, then I would get someone saying "The Singers are ungrateful fools", but that's not the world they awoke to. Their experience was one of being hated, lied to, and memories of being slaves. This is in the non-cosmere thread, so I can't ask you to explain your perspective on the dynamics of Era 1 mistborn I guess, but I hope I have demonstrated a broad enough understanding of history to enable a dialogue on this topic.

Maybe people who were enslaved not feeling grateful for being kept as slaves is normal. I think I recall the Azish Singers trying to start a lawsuit demanding freedom and back wages so they could start normal lives at some point, and they got slow rolled while the people they were negotiating with got ready to fight, with no honest intent to make restitution on the part of the humans. Quick check over to the coppermind, this cites to Oathbringer chapter 12 if you want to double check. If the humans of Roshar had responded to the awakening of the Singers like someone whose disable child was suddenly given their missing faculties, this probably would have all gone differently. Instead, they treated the matter like a slave revolt, and so they got a slave revolt.

How does someone only get as far as Well of Ascension and decide they know what the whole vibe of the cosmere as a setting is like? I feel like the problem with WaT's ending is that RoW wasted the opportunity to actually explain "humans are the bad guys according to the Singers" in a way that resonated with the readers. If you view the ending of WaT from the perspective of the Singers, it is "Finally, we beat the voidbringers for the first time! Our era of peace and freedom has arrived! The endless suffering of the Fused may end." and stuff like that. It's not Empire Strikes Back for them. This is Return of the Jedi from their perspective.

Coming in on team "would" on this. The only real problem with most Singers as subjects of relationships is that they have only been properly sapient for two or so years in the story so far, so that is kinda weird. I guess really I am a "would" for like Leshwi and Raboniel, since they are both experienced enough in life and sane enough to not be too weird to be in a relationship with. Maybe El, if he isn't like Moash and impossible to have fun around. Also, I am incidentally on the team of people who are against Syladin, but mostly because I want Syl off screen. I don't care about her being killed off or something, but I just don't like her character. Her primary motivation being helping Kaladin with his damage because he reminds her of a type of person she likes is so weird and offputting. It's like he's her child, except she's deeply immature. I actually was briefly excited by the idea that Kaladin and Leshwi were going to turn out to have something like what it seems ended up being Garith's situation: It's kinda obvious that the best way to protect people is to make a just peace, and there's something classically beautiful about having deep personal feelings be the source of that. Their whole thing of going on sparring dates had such an appeal to me.

That's still different from the Spren that were explicitly created from the substance of Shards.

I think the matter of having rights over investiture that composes the Spren is different? Rosharan Humans aren't especially made of Honor anymore than they are any other shard outside the nahel bond, so reclaiming their constitutent matter and stuff is somehow less in the rights of Honor than doing the same to the, explicitly made of Honor and Cultivation investiture, Spren. This really turns on a logic where parents own their children and then their childrens' children down forever. Not a fan of this kind of thinking, but it fits with Honor operating on a lot of bad patterns.

The contrary: I disagree, because I take a broader perspective on what makes a statement good or bad. I understand that most societies have taboos around sex and death in various forms. It might be good for someone to make that comparison as a way to illustrate their particular mode of moral reasoning. I think being able to willfully hold to contradictions is an innate part of the nature of existing for me. To be both sacred and profane is, from my perspective, the normal way of being. But the way the in group is defined varies by society. Once, the Ottoman state would have all of the sons of the prior Sultan fight in a battle to the death, turning their armies on one another, to vie for their father's throne. This was the expectation and the norm. It was not rejected. What is the universal notion of an in-group if it is not one's siblings? Please do not call my myopic again if you are going to claim something is universal when there are clear counter examples in the historic record. I see well enough to know that notions of the universal are most often either illusions or whatever it is about math that makes it so unreasonably effective. It is not that something is common that makes it universal, but that it is true in all cases.

Fellow Kelsier fan! What do you like about him? I have recently watched the gundam movie Char's Counter Attack and I am pretty sure I like Kel for the same reasons I like Char: They both demonstrate a kind of limitless willpower even in the face of the impossible, but they have a clear humanity to them for how they can be moved by love for others.

I think taking up Ruin would be really hard on Kor, based on what we have seen of her. She is, even after so long carrying Cultivation, still unhappy with the parts of the Intent which are pleased by war. If I was to combine the two ideas, Ruin and Cultivation, it does give me the mental image of a Reaper figure, perhaps by the name of Harvest. I would love to see an amendment to Hemalurgy that allows the spikes to be planted in the ground and used to grow magical fruit, but this is probably my fascination with the way World of Darkness presents Lilith in its mythos. I think the idea of her going to Sel to try to pick up as much of Devotion and Dominion's power makes more sense. Devotion especially seems like an idea her story, of loving Tanavast, losing him, and the way she cared to bring the society she was involved with away from Retribution's domain, would support her becoming involved with. I actually personally think she would go to Bavadin and say "Hey, I am sorry for hanging out in the same place as Tanavast for the last 10k years even though we all agreed to not do that before ascending. I see the error of my ways. I am now convinced of the one shard per system notion. Can we do something about these dishards by coordinating plans or is that infringing on your Intent? Do you want me to just throw some plants out that you can shine on as you want?" or something. The two of them knew each other before the shattering, so I assume Kor knows how to talk to Bavadin.

I think this all depends on what the time scale for the second arc is and what the heck Jasnah is going to be doing as a former queen. I can't imagine her deciding to just hangout and act as an advisor and warrior for Renarin and Rlain's project of a unified Human-Singer state that isn't ruled by the Fused and Taravangian. If the story is going to span the whole 80 years of slowed time (Jasnah's a fourth oath radiant who is probably spending a lot of her time in Urithu, where her body is constantly able to access to radiant self-healing, so her living that long isn't implausible considering how high levels of investiture seem to extend lifespan) then she can get up to a lot of things off screen while still being a major perspective. Or she is just going to go worldhopping and thus will be out of the picture for long stretches of time, and whatever she gets up to out in the rest of the cosmere is going to be saved for flashbacks.