James Brafin

4 minutes ago, Dannex said:

well, it’s likely that one of them is an Elim. If you don’t wanna get both, who do you think? Or should we leave the Greys alone and try something else?

8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

...Did you miss the part about Archer claiming my Aes Sedai? 

James Brafin, you are under suspicion for Being A Grey™, casually defending Lotus throughout, and being village read early by Quinn and Lotus.

Ninja'd by Dannex

It's also kind of funny to me, since you two have been been swearing by a four-man team with a Brown this entire game, which I am neither of.

(Also, yes, evidently. hold up.)

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

...And you.

Ah.

 

Yes. I've had the game pretty much role-solved since last cycle, but killing Books was actually just enough to give me what I needed. Which I assume that was your Asei, but could also be Connie's so *shrug*

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Here is an interesting post I think all should read. It's... entirely unrelated to looking at Lotus connections, but still!

Right, @Burnt Spaghetti mind outing the Grey you scanned?

It's Devo.

So the question is, do we still believe that there is a Brown Elim and a Brown Town? Or should we look elsewhere

Also, point of order: Burnt, Archer, and Connie are the only three players that didn't vote this cycle. It's not Damning, but it is something I thought was interesting.

7 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

So James is the Ajah and Order is the Warder in contrast to what Matrim guessed and I reported as fact without checking.

I'm pretty sure village!Lotus's reads include Gears being an elim, hence the vote.

How... how do you know this?

im not going to deny this but what information could you possibly have that tells you this?

Just now, Breaker said:

Yes. This is canon. 

I actually like red.

In a more relevant note, does anyone else feel like it's weird that Lotus is just letting this happen?

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

Of course you should kill me! There is absolutely no reason why slyly shouldn’t.

As for the reads I’m on mobile rn and playing Minecraft so maybe later

What does slyly mean?

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Considering they are like, identical, I have no idea why they targeted the Warder out of the two.

...Not sure how, but ok.

Because everyone has either soft-claimed or full-claimed except those three at this point; and mechanically speaking knowing what we do know (and what I know) it's pretty easy to guess at what the pool looks like. I can go into more detail, but it will have to wait until after dinner.

A point of order: Do we think there are 4 or 5 Elims? I'm leaning 5 with two Warders and no browns, but I want to hear y'all's thinking on the subject.

Yeah I just got way more comfortable with a Lotus Shrek.

Lotus

That's not what happened. Gears has been arguing for a Dannex takedown since the start of Day 2, of course they weren't going to vote for Quinn! This is just a blatant misrepresentation of the situation.

2 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I think we’re getting to the point where it should be possible to do some fancy deductions and figure out roles and pairings and stuff. Since so many people have roleclaimed or bondclaimed.

Yes, I have pretty much everyone's role figured out, except Books, Devo, and Orlock; and I have their roles narrowed down to a pool.

Edit: I'm pretty sure, judging by their behavior, it's to one of Books, Devo, and Orlock; and knowing one of their roles would definitely help me with the other two.

Just now, Lotus said:

Gears

(Sorry Clock)

Explain

16 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

If we exe an elim, why wouldn’t it be helpful? And if they flip vil we’ve got lots of info to work with.

If Lotus is an Elim, it's marginally good. But it doesn't really tell us anything new, especially since we have nothing to connect with. If Lotus is a village, it tells us... What? That Dannex is Elim, I guess? Except Dannex is confirmed town already? And we lose Burnt's power. It tells us less than nothing, it takes information away from us. Lotus has barely interacted with anyone at all this game; their flip gives us nothing to analyze, nothing to use, nothing to go on, and we lose a really strong power. It just seems really bad.

24 minutes ago, Illwei said:

*checks time*

See, but this...This is what Quinn was doing to Striker.

You're moving things off of Lotus, and I think a Lotus kill needs to happen first.

I'll agree that Lotus looks suspicious, but I don't know that it's a helpful kill. I'm willing to buffer it if it's really what we're set on, but I'm saying here -- let it be known that I don't like it at all. It feels like we are focusing on the wrong part of the equation.

It also strikes me that if we do this, we take away Burnt's Brown power. I'd keep that in mind.

58 minutes ago, Breaker said:

I feel like language of this kind is how you keep ending up sus to people. Perhaps curb it? 
 

edit: Illwei, burnt won’t be up for three hours lol

He's not wrong though, and there are people purposely ignoring the fact that he is pretty much confirmed at this point.
Honestly, I feel like we should be shrekking in them and not Lotus. That would be.. Gears and Archer?
Honestly it has felt like they're trying to fast-lynch Dannex to deny information to Town. And we've prevented it several times in a row.

4 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Sorry, James; I can’t let you do that. 

Sorry, Breaker, I can't let you be pocketed like that.

Just now, Breaker said:

Does anyone want to scan me tonight, or do people believe me that I’m Blue? It might not be the best thing to demonstrate, since I think that makes me the biggest target left on the board, as someone who can find an elim, in optimal circumstances. Greys are critical, as well, though. I’ve got Gears as bodyguard, but that’s still Russian Roulette. 

I'm pretty confident you're blue, but I'm not convinced Gears isn't an Elim and playing us. Archer I'm still highly suspicious of as well -- based on the flip I'm pretty sure I know his role, but I'm not confident in alignment. I'm also pretty sure that if the Elim have two or three Warders (like I suspect) that Town can have two brown, as those roles essentially act as off switches for the Town roles. I need to talk to Order about some things, I'll be back eventually.

Just now, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Thanks TJ Shade, and those who have been so kind as to welcome me.

You will have to forgive me if it takes me some time to catch up on all this. I shall have to skim it, rather than follow my normal approach, but even so there is clearly a lot to get through.

Don't worry, a lot of it is fluff. It will read pretty fast.
@Dannex, @Burnt Spaghetti, who were your targets last night?

5 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm going to start off with voting Lotus.

It could all be a fun coincidence, but Striker trying to not kill lotus, and lotus trying not to kill Quinn is what I have right now.

I'll go back through a bit later. Keeping my eye on James, as they've seemed to have started coasting

I'M HERE SORRY IT'S SUNDAY ASDFGHJKL Y'ALL COULDN'T WAIT FOR ME?
SO much happened, lots of good information! Give me a moment to parse!

2 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Isn't James voting Archer, actually?

I am. @TJ Shade?

(To be fair, that's probably my fault, I edited again not thinking.)

You really got to call us out like that huh

Are the roles random? I've heard that thrown around a bit but I'm not sure now.

@TJ Shade You would know. Will you tell us, that's the question.

Just now, Illwei said:

!!!! eeeeeee!!!!

:3 I've always wanted a nemesis <3 <3 <3

You'll have to share then, because he's also mine.

I can be your short and nerdy wingman.

8 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I think he has, but is choosing to tinfoil things, like Gears :P.

Clearly not, as he doesn't think the Elims are playing 3d Chess (to quote the man)

24 minutes ago, Archer said:

More people had died. Brick sat cross-legged, contemplating the news while chewing on a branch. He had heard of another stick, on a planet far away, infused with special magics.

That snack would be a worthy adversary, he thought to himself.

The twig snapped in his teeth. “I am not convinced. My vote stands.”

Dannex

Thanks, Illwei for posting Striker’s posts. I remain convinced of Danex’s guilt because I believe at the start of the game, the elims decided to do their best to get through a few rounds without an elim kill. That meant supporting each other until it became necessary to cut their losses.  

This is a Quick Fix. The elims probably aren’t playing LG-style 3D chess. Overthinking their actions is going to be the death of us. I don’t want to be the one who has to explain to the screaming dead doc why we ignored all the clues we had. As a reminder, Striker made the following incriminating comments:

“I'm not really sure where I stand, because I think Dannex could just be a very defensive player, so the defensiveness could just be that. But I also know that I get really defensive as an elim myself.” -Second post

“I’m not sure how I feel about Dannex. I’m leaning more village than elim, but we’ll see.” -Fourth post

“I’m still leaning village on Dannex. Anyone willing to vote Ash? Their vote on Dannex just felt off to me.” -Fifth post (Convenient counter-wagon attempt.)

“I mean, I don’t want to exe you and I don’t want to exe Dannex.” -Seventh post

After this, they began distancing themselves from Dannex. I propose that this was because the vote was Danex had become a lost cause for the Elims. With the potential for vote switching and manipulation, they were willing to try to save them with a vote manip (possibly two, if the village Grey’s Warder influenced them), but that was because they figured they were outed anyway, so they might as well waste our next day kill. I would have expected elim!Danex to make the night kill order on Liranil if that was the elim’s mindset, but that can be explained by the fact that Striker was a certain kill, per Liranil’s public statement, so they were even more at risk. From late Day One on, Striker’s behaviour changed, which I believe reflects a regrouping by the elim team and a change in strategy, making their comments after that less alignment indicative.

Adding some meta analysis, giving some of the Elim power players no Warders makes sense because then they don’t have to justify themselves to a village player. And as we’ve said, a Brown on each side also makes sense.

If Dannex is an elim, James and Gears look good while Quinn, Matrim, and especially Illwei will be suspicious. I suspect there’s a few villagers who were convinced to drop the Danex wagon, otherwise the debate wouldn’t be so vigorous, but there’s certainly some talkative elims among us, so I am suspicious of the way the group has moved on from what I view as these obvious red flags.

Plus one on Breaker's idea, anyone whose partner dies should consider coming forward.

Clearly you haven't read the part where we have locktowned Dannex yet.

Edit:

Also, this doesn't actually line up with what happened yesterday. Liranil chose late in the day, Quinn has been pushing hard for Dannex for a long time, a great deal of what you posted about Striker occured at the end of Day 2, not during Day1, so there was no time to distance -- in short, this whole thing is fabricated.

Also, a day kill is only wasted as Town if we kill other town. It's never a waste if we kill Elim; Also, if it was a lost cause, why are all the people you listed as sus actively still protecting him?

I sort of expected this a little bit, but not like this. SO
Quinn Archer

You're not off the hook, but Archer is really creating a narrative here, way more than you were. This is blatant, if you take the time to read.

7 minutes ago, Breaker said:

James plays a Catfolk in our Pathfinder game haha

A French one, hon hon hon

17 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

...I kept my PM partner anonymous for that reason, I never said our bond. You outed it and then suspect me for doing what you wanted. I didn't say anything about it, I suspected you for a thing I'll quote in PM, which you explained away.

I... I can't even defend this. The only way I could parse "My PM partner" was me, because I'm an idiot apparently.
 

Just now, Dannex said:

I just thought of something, surprised nobody thought to ask it yet. (Maybe they did, I’ve been sorta skimming the thread.)
@Burnt Spaghetti who did you scan D1?

We did; It was Illwei, but Burnt won't tell who. (I'm pretty confident Illwei is Blue though)