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Liranil
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I didn't think you'd miss that, I thought that you could be lying about Striker trying to redirect you. Mooood
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...you're right. Ignore me.
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@TJ Shade Can you confirm whether it's possible to redirect the NK? Or is that PAFO? Maybe Striker did do that. But also, the rules say that if someone is chosen to submit the NK, their actions for that cycle are cancelled. So if Matrim was chosen for the NK, and Striker failed to redirect him, then his actions wouldn't go through. Which could be why he was lying about things? But idk, my brain hurts. I kinda want to hold off on theorizing anything with Mat until we get more information next cycle. Just cuz he says that doesn't mean it's true. If she's a Straff or a villager, then they have to kill her at some point if they want to win. If they don't, she's Cett, which I highly doubt (tinfoil: Mat is a Cett Thug or was someone who was Lurched and Illwei is the Cett Mistborn and this was all an elaborate distancing ploy).
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Are you saying that you think Striker tried to redirect the NK?
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An accidental signal is still a signal Edit: But I still think you could be a Thug/not Mistborn which would make signals moot.
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You might not have purposefully signaled your team, but since they knew you were their Mistborn, they probably looked pretty closely at your posts, so it's possible that you accidentally signaled them. (Not that that helps us a lot unless they responded somehow)
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Watch Matrim flip Elim Thug and not Mistborn...
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So I still haven't finished going through the previous thread (Still have to finish a paper that's due at midnight aaaaah why am I still on here????) but I will say that while I was reading through the C1 thread looking at Striker stuff, I noticed that Matrim theorized elim!Archer with elim!Mistborn!Striker in strikethrough text. And that's the round that Matrim's team attacked Striker... So anyway I'm gonna take a real close look at what Matrim said in strikethrough text. Cuz it's definitely not him using that as an signal to his team...
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So I know you probably won't elaborate, but I am immensely curious about what was true and what wasn't.
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Mat slipped up and then admitted he was Gn... I was gonna spell it right but now I don't even remember how it's spelled. He admitted he was the remaining elim Mistborn.
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You're my new favorite person XD
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A poke vote isn't strong evidence, is what I meant. It's more tinfoil-y (like what I theorized about Archer last round and that didn't work out...) Also, since Mat's basically confirmed elim... guess it's time to go back over the thread like I've been doing with Striker... *silent agony*
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I was also kinda sus of Illwei because she poke-voted Striker at the beginning of C1, which could have been a way to signal that she knew he was a Mistborn. But that's kinda shaky, especially since Mat is now confirmed Gnoeonwn.
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You had me pocketed at least. I'm not sure if this clears Illwei, but Illwei Matrim
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Oooof...
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For one, idk if I trust you on that. For another, I meant that if he is Vin, he's as good as dead now. If he's not, voting you off will prove that (if you turn up as village) and we kill him next round if the elims don't kill him first. I'd rather kill you to find out if he's telling the truth or not than to kill him and risk losing Vin. @TJ Shade Can we get a vote count?
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I definitely do agree with Illwei that Vin shouldn't counter-claim: this could be an elaborate hoax to draw out Vin. I think Matrim's arguing that Striker used atium and saw that Mat had submitted two different actions against him (the bronze and the tin), and since Mistborns are the only ones who can use two metals, Striker new he was either Vin or Gnlkodnfn, so he called Matrim out so either his team or the village could eliminate him. Either way, I think Matrim's gonna die sooner or later. What would one more cycle get him? (Ninja'd by Matrim)
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Yeah, so, I just reread the rules and atium can be used to see any actions placed on you, so it seems very reasonable that Striker would figure out that Matrim was Vin and through him under the bus. And it makes no sense to fake-claim Vin here since this means that the elims are going to go after Matrim even harder... I also just looked back at the notes I wrote down about Striker's actions C1 (which I mentioned I was doing earlier), and Illwei voted on him at the beginning with no reason/as a poke vote. I know that Archer said that voting on someone would be a bad way to try and communicate that you were on their team (when we were talking about Stink), but that could very well be what happened there. Illwei
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I get what you're saying, and I really don't want to get dragged into an argument. My main point is that the village currently has a 4/15 chance of hitting a Cett and a 3/15 chance of hitting a Straff with their exe (a 7/15 chance of hitting an elim, but the elim teams care more about themselves not getting hit), while the Cetts have a 4/12 (1/3) chance of hitting a Straff with their night kill and the Straffs have a 3/12 (1/4) chance of hitting the Cetts with their night kill. My point being, the Straffs have a higher chance of hitting a Cett than the village does, and Cetts have a higher chance of hitting a Straff than the village does, which makes them a greater threat to each other (especially since they have a part in the village vote). And you make a good point about killing power, but that killing power works against them, too.
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But is the village really their biggest threat? Because the other elim team has a smaller pool of possible victims (since they can't hit themselves), so they have a better chance of actually getting an elim out. Plus, while the village also has a bigger pool of possible victims to choose from, the elim teams can control the narrative (*cough* Illwei Quinn Matrim?) and have more influence over the vote. All that to say, I'm fine with killing Matrim now, but saying that that's the ideal way to do things... idk.
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I actually just wanted to see your reaction, because I think you're making a good point. It does sound a lot like elim signalling, but I don't think the elims would be so obvious in telling their team to not to waste a kill on someone the village will need to kill later. (Or maybe they would...) The only difficulty is that if the elims aren't spending their time killing each other, they're going to be killing us.
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This is literally what I've been doing. XD I've gone through C1 but I have a paper due tonight so C2 will have to wait until later. Oooh, this sure sounds elimmy to me... Trying to get the village to kill off the Cetts for you so you can kill the village, Whysper?
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I need to reread things, but I'd also like to point out that since Mat survived, he's either a Thug or a Mistborn, or a Lurcher saved him. (Ninja'd, sorry if I repeated what someone else said)
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Lol this is the best XD
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Also, while I definitely get Illwei's reasoning now, I don't know if I agree about it applying to your question.
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