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On 1/3/2023 at 6:36 PM, Collecter128 said:

A gold ferring with Radiant healing would be an incredible combo.

A bit redundnat don't you think though it would have Gold/Gold Twin characteristics. An aluminum fering with forgery would be potentially very interesting since from that they could acquire virtually any form of investiture or skill permanently through identity storage.

When Emily promises you a copy of Lost Metal over a year ago and are disappointed that she seems to have forgotten. 

I cleared an icy ridge and a pristine valley lay before me with a broad deep blue lake around which was a volcanically heated green valley. An urgency possesed me to reach the the perpendicularity with utmost haste. In that lake was the begining of the next chapter of my life. A chapter where I could potentially begin to heal a world in sore need of help.

17 hours ago, voidlight said:

I had a similar thought about what would happen if an aluminum feumachist had a nahel bond and then stored Identity.

With regards to the Nahel bond and the added connection it provides. Could an AA twin absorb the portion of the Identity from a dead shardblade restoring it once bonded to the blade? If so then that person could potentially acquire multiple Radiant bonds gaining access to all the surges.

Just food for thought.

Aluminum Feruchemy is particularly interesting to me since identity stores all of a persons attributes, connections, and investiture. If utilized like soothing or rioting it could potentially be used to enhance desired attributes, connections, and investiture of the feruchemist. I also speculate that an AA twin might be able to absorb identity from others since all that investiture needs to go somewhere when they burn it, and based on how it works feruchemically I wonder if it just doesn't store the identities of the metals out of reach when burned, but perhaps not for a twin. Hemalugically Aluminum blanks investiture which could be related Identity as well. So an AA twin might also act sumwhat like Peter or Silar in Heros, storing or copying parts of identity from others into their own Identity. We see something like this produced with Forgery. They could also potentially use full blown hemalurgy without the debilitating effects through mix and matching parts of Identity. Even the use of forgery on an AA twin could potentially be a means of adding additional types of investiture permanently.

Yes I know this is just speculation, but what do you think?

18 hours ago, Frustration said:

You've got some TLM spoilers there.

I wasn't aware, but I have been corrected. Sorry.

16 hours ago, TheSurvivorofDeath said:

In the current Cosmere, there is only one known instance of a being possessing multiple Invested Arts, that being Hoid. Other than him, there are no beings that have multiple powers, despite worldhoppers being all over the Cosmere. This is likely due to the lack of large scale interaction between civilizations in the Cosmere. Though we haven’t truly seen the extent of what Hoid can do, we have seen, through Roshar and Scadrial, the crazy abilities that can be obtained through combining different powers within the same Invested Art/magic system. So imagine the abilities that could be found if you had a Windrunner who could burn bendalloy. A mistborn with a bonded spren. Powers like these, one genetic, one situational, could easily be combined, though the bonding of a Rosharan spren by an offworlder might be difficult. Things that are more unique to people of a planet, like Breath and Allomancy, would be harder to combine with each other, but still theoretically possible. My understanding of the interaction between Invested Arts and different people around the Cosmere is somewhat lacking, so I wonder if anyone can offer some insight on just how far this could go in later Cosmere eras.

That isn't entirely true. Harmony himself has two investitures. Allomancy is of Preservation, and Hemalurgy of Ruin, while Feruchemy relies on their interaction, so many on Scadrial use both, and anyone could use any kind of investiture through hemalurgy since that is how Autonamy gave her followers additional powers, but using her own investiture spikes. Hoid is just the most extreme example of Mixed investiture. Of course he is also virtually a Shard, or at least a part of their society, which might explain why he was aware of how to add different investitures for himself.

After reading several pages of this topic I think something may be missing, but since I haven't read every post I might have missed seeing what I was thinking as reading.

Premis one. All Radiants are devoid of 2 of their main advantages in Shadesmar, Plate and Blade, regardless of oath level.

Premis two. The Ghostbloods would be able to give advanced warning in case of invasion and provide movement into and out of Shadesmar to Scadrial in addition to provideing additonal alies to them.

Premis three. The rosharan bond is not planet dependant, but character dependant, so it is reasonable to assume that Scadrians could bond Spren if their character was right for the particular Spren.

Since Scadrian weapons and tech are superior and can be brought to Shadesmar they could both break through a Rosharan blockage and decimate Rosharan forces even the Radiants all throughout Shadesmar, making the Elsecaller, Bondsmith type of strategy very unworkable. The Scadrians also have a ready suply of fuel for their metal art regardless where they go in the Cosmere meaning they can fight at near peak magical potential. Allomantic grenades would neutralize all the Radiants in a force requireing them to consume far more stormlight just to retain their abilities, and yes the Scadrians would know this from the Ghostbloods. It might not just be Trellium that could be used in conjunction to Harmonium to create WMD's (anti-investiture weapons would probably be a more appropriate term instead of Nuclear or anti-matter though with similar destructive potential). Since we saw that the Allomancers were able to consume and use alternate investiture in TLM, it is also reasonable to assume that all the metal born could fuel their powers with stormlight at a very high level giving them another advantage, and since Scadrians seem a little more highly invested than normal, exposure to stormlight might provide even a regular Scadrian enough additional investiture to activate their powers en mass, shifting the balance towards Scadrial in any combat engagement.

Rockets, Grenade launchers, grenades, bullets, vehicles, etc, which could all be brought to Shadesmar, would ovewhelm and destroy even KR's let alone any other regular troops. The rare twin combinations also add a wild card to the mix that could potentially be near unstoppable depending on the interactions. Wayne is just one example of the insane power a twin can have.

At this point my opinion is that Scadrial could win both an offensive and defensive war, but given the revelations in 6th of Dusk it seems as if there is not a clear victor between them. Instead a kind of balance of power, and cold war.

Oh one more thing Hemalurgy might also be able to steal Nahel bond in much the same manner that a Bondsmith can. 

As strong and resiliant as KRs are the idea of restraining them long enough to destroy them is still a workable strategy and one well within reach of the Scadrians.

If you are obsessed with the idea that an aluminum twin can evolve through a combination of Hemalurgy, Forgery, and contact copying of any and all forms of allomancy and feruchemy into a Fullborn.

I suspect that we may have already seen some of the materials or weapons used against 4th oath radiants. As of yet we really haven't seen how either Aluminum or Raisium weapons interact with shard plate and the Spren that create them. It could be materially different than how it interacts with Shardblades since lesser spren have been shown to act adversely to aluminum and Raisium has a major affect on Stormlight and voidlight even in gems so it might in Shardplate.

I can also see population and advancement levels making a difference and like in the Sword of Truth seriies Richard could do things thought impossible by others simply because he was ignorant of supposed limitations.

Another thing is that even in the old days we have no Idea how many radiants progressed to even 3rd and above, they could have been very rare so not much of an issue in the distant past.

I personally don't think there is that much of a power difference between Radiants and Odiums forces since the vast majority of both are very inexperienced so are just learning what they can do.

I found Ander at a corner table. He seemed to be taking reports. He looked up as I approached with a puzzled expression seeming to wonder why I was there. Before he could ask I grinned and told him that their operations had drawn to much attention from both sides of the upcoming major conflict and regardless which side prevailed it would be advisable to become scarce. Then I turned and left as he and the others spluttered.

Traveling is a very interesting thing when you have both stormlight and metal at your command. Stormlight could get me into and out of the cognative, while any number of metals or pseudo metals could propel me once there to cover large distances. I could also forego the cognative and use any number of light and metal based abilities to travel quickly at will. All that aside once I stepped out of sight I concealed myself in a light illusion and walked away. When Ander and the others burst from the Pub in search of me I found it very amusing seeing them scatter to find me.

Hours later and miles away as dusk approached my Spren and I were discussing the problem of them leaving the system to travel with me. They couldn't be carried in a gem through the cognative because as we approached the limits of the system their mass increased exponentially and the pull of the system increased. Though we could break our bonds and I could leave the system on my own that seemed like a very poor choice for either them or me. So as we walked and discussed the issue I hit on an idea that I might be able to swear one final oath that would fully bind all of the Spren with me such that not only would the bond be part of my identity, but for all intents and purposes they would too. The oath went like this "In truth and compassion I will seek balance, liberty, and justice for myself and all who enter my sphere of influence."

There was a blinding surge of power around me as the as a sixth level binding formed between me and all my Spren. In that moment I stored them and that part of my identity into a bracer metal mind along with the surge of power that came with it. The illusion vanished and I was once again revealed. I burned steel and Iron dropping iron spikes and flew toward the peaks with alternating push pull surges. While I did that I stored both weight and speed for later use.

I have been thinking for some time now that Reconers seems like practice for era 3 Mistborn or modern Mistborn, and with the skyward series if that is practice for space age cosmere books. Rhythmatist also seems to be practice for era 3 Mistborn stories. From what I have heard era 3 Mistborn sounds like it will be a world with Superheros similar to Reconers and of Course Space travel in Space age Cosmere and Skyward seem way to on the nose.

What do y'all think?

Oh and I am more excited for Era 3 Mistborn than any more Stormlight books which, even though I enjoy virtually all his stories, far out weigh the non cosmere off shoots for me.

On 1/14/2022 at 0:51 PM, The Sibling said:

The Emporer's Soul is in my opinion one of the best Brandon Sanderson stories. The magic system is so complex and so simple at the same time. The characters are fleshed-out and have believable motives. I read it in Arcanum Unbounded, and it was my second favourite part, only behind Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell.

Yeah and I would like to see him revisit the world of Shadows for Silence. Because shadows minimal coverage I think it might be ripe for fan fics.

On 11/4/2021 at 0:32 PM, Inquisitor #5 said:

And yet Vstim trades in a meadow?

When I look at a map of Shinovar I don't see any ports or cities to trade in on the map unlike other locations in Roshar so trading in a Meadow since it is open space and wild seems reasonable.

On 11/4/2021 at 0:32 PM, Inquisitor #5 said:

the most knowledge known to be possessed by an outsider is Taravangian knowing the exact specification of an oathstone.

That implies that the information is available to one that takes an interest in Shinovar, but their best protection from that is to seem uninteresting. There are actually a number of items like metals that they want to trade for, but few take the time to learn what they are after and what might be best to trade for.

On 11/4/2021 at 0:32 PM, Inquisitor #5 said:

We also see that the caravan is not too far into Shinovar:

Of course trade is done on the edges since the interior is devoted to the farms and is restricted.

On 11/4/2021 at 0:32 PM, Inquisitor #5 said:

As well as Szeth calling Nale "Nin-son-God" might imply that there are different rules at play regarding the Honorblades.

And if you, like me, think the Stone shamanate are less than benevolent, it might simply be a case of different rules for different people, just like rich/famous people are often given more lenient sentences for crimes IRL.

Or it could be a little of both, the Honorblades being "holy" or "special" or somesuch and the Stone shamanate being corrupt or not held to the same standards as the rest of society.

I could potentially grant that, but the rule among them seems to be that People who pick up weapons are of the very lowest caste even if they only picked one up once.

On 11/4/2021 at 0:32 PM, Inquisitor #5 said:

I don't think we can say that for certain, we only have one data point. Szeth isn't allowed in the Valley of Truth, IIRC, but unless that refers to all of Shinovar, Truthless need not be exiled.

Coppermind says that Truthless are exiled from Shinovar and cursed to be a warrior to outsiders.

Held may not mean actually holding the blade, but instead having custody of the blade. I am not sure Szeth's Father was bonded to the blade just that it was in his custody or he stored it. Or you may be right that there are special rules for honor blades or it might be using a weapon not just picking it up is what takes you from whatever to warrior. Szeth trained with weapons and so was Warrior Caste regardless the rules.

22 hours ago, Frustration said:

Not quite, Truthless are not given Honorblades, Szeth had one before becoming Truthless, so he kept his but he is the exception.

Szeth's father was a shepherd before being given his Honorblade, not a soldier, so he was at least decently respected in society.

I didn't say they gave it to him because he was truthless. They possibly let him keep it because he was. The fact that he had it already meant he was already of the lowest caste in Shin.

22 hours ago, Frustration said:

Vistim has never seen a city either, and if Farmers are the most important, others would want to be close. Especially since they own the soldiers. Cities would be near farmland.

I don't recall where it has ever said Vistim has never seen their cities, of course if the cities are surrounded by farms visiting them would be difficult. However cities don't need to be near farmlands, in fact having a city near farmland could be detrimental to the farmland. Small towns, villages, hamlets would likely have nearby farms, but cities, that seems questionable. Of course Shin may not have any cities at all.

Given that farms are sacred there would be no soldiers or warriors there and perhaps not even nearby. Sorry I don't accept the premise that they are so isolated that no one from outside has a clue about what goes on there, not if there are people like traders who travel there regularly. I saw nothing in the books to support that idea, and much that implies otherwise. Besides soldiers and weapons training is viewed by Shin as an embarrassment and dishonorable so would be kept very covert even from locals, so again only limited practice with what is known and now overt experimentation of what might be possible given that combat is the lowest most disgraceful profession in the land.

Why do you think Szeth is the exception? I don't get that impression at all. Oh and if Szeth's father had picked up the honor blade even once he would no longer be a shepherd so he never touched it, but Szeth did and so lost almost all respect, which might be why it was so easy to name him truthless. Picking up a weapon even once costs all status for life in Shin society.

On 10/31/2021 at 8:26 AM, Frustration said:

There are no outsiders in Shinovar, Vistim heavily implied to be the one they trust the most, isn't even allowed to see their farmland, all trading is done far from any cities.

People outside of Shinovar would have no idea, as they would be unable to see anything, and no one is actively observing the Shin anyway.

Your right that outsiders are not allowed on Farms for religious reasons, but there is no indication and indeed indications that outsiders regularly trade inside Shinovar. One other fact of note is that anyone training with the Honor Blades is of only the very lowest caste of the society and are little more than slaves. Only truthless are lower and they are exiled so are no longer part of Shin society. So another reason why any use of the honor blades would be covert even in Shinovar. You could even say that using Honor blades robs the user of all but a tiny fraction of their honor. So who better to have an honor blade than a Truthless.

Only farms seem to be restricted to outsiders the rest seems open to anyone. As for trading it is done away from farms but not cities necessarily.

4 hours ago, Inquisitor #5 said:

I think this is partly true, though given Szeth's proficiency wity Jezrien's Blade, I do think the training given to the appointed/chosen bearer of a certain Blade with said Blade is rather extensive.

We also know that Szeth has done ice skating as an Abrasion excercise, so it's not improbable that the people carrying the Honorblades were given enough training to be competent with all of them, possibly in case another carrier died.

I do think that the Blades are the territory of the Stone Shamanate however, and probably don't see extensive use. The famously isolationist Shin don't have people Soulcasting metal daily, but rather trade with outsiders?

So I do think there's some merit to the idea that they're kept, if not secret, at least closely guarded by the Stone Shamans. Obviously with some rules we don't know, as Szeth got to keep his Blade as Truthless.

Not all surges are as obvious as those of windrunners so would be easier to hide, and not even all of the windrunners surges are obvious. However blatant use would still generate rumors that would reveal them to observant outsiders both inside and outside Shinovar. To keep the blades secret until Szeth was ordered to execute the king publicly with flare any who witnessed their use outside the order were killed, and their use was kept very rare and covert to minimize any chance of discovery to almost none. That would also limit testing the limits of their power, and only practicing and using well know abilities.

Szeth probably got to keep the blade because he was already bonded to it and it couldn't be taken from him without killing him. A feat difficult to achieve as he is one of the most skilled duelists in the world.

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

Well if you want to use two spikes on them, they need to survive the first one, otherwise you can't spike them the second time.

Makes sense unless you used both during the same session to withdraw multiple abilities.

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I'm about done with the plotting,

Glad to hear.

3 hours ago, Quantus said:

Corollary:  Could a Gasper Radiant "breathe" in a bunch of Stormlight and then store it as Investiture in a Cadmium Metalmind? 

This question really digs into the nature of Investiture that is supposedly fully manifested as a gaseous material.  But if Gaspers get the same sort of selectivity as Bendalloy does for food vs water, I think they should be able to store specific gasses, and both conceptually for the Intent and physically by science, Mist or Stormlight should be just another gas.

It might be easier for the CadTwin to bond a spren than the reverse. Or could a CadTwin store investiture gasses without bonding a spen and then only need the spren to use the stormlight? Could those stored investiture gasses grant enhanced pulser abilities?

4 minutes ago, Frustration said:

You'd have to be careful not to kill them, but that should work.

Why do you need the person to stay alive? A blank hemalurgic spike might give the user access to anyone's metal mind of that ability if placed in the correct spot. In addition any ability that can be used from the same placement could theoretically be added to one identity blank spike granting multiple abilities. Or so I presume.

How is the Book coming?

On 10/27/2021 at 8:07 AM, Trusk'our said:

I've been trying to come up with a way to somehow "supercharge" a hemalurgic spike, but reusing them on multiple donors doesn't seem to be likely.

It might be possible to reuse a spike on multiple donors if store their Identity, but that seems unlikely for multiple reasons. 

But what if you use feruchemy in a different way to enhance your hemalurgic gains? 

What if you tap, for example, the strength of ten men, then use hemalurgic iron take that enhanced attribute? Would you be able to get that attribute enhanced, or would only the regular, non enhanced piece of spiritweb stick to the spike?

you could use a single spike to compound a single hemalurgy spike from multiple donors if you first used a Duralumin spike to steal each of the donors identity first. Still if you want the strength of 10 men steal allomantic strength not feruchemical strength. Remember power gained from Hemalugic spikes isn't just what power was stolen, but where the spike is placed because if placed in the wrong location weird things happen if anything happens at all.

The duralumin spike might allow one to use the feruchemical reserves of the donor or donors since it could grant their identity.

Another possibility is that a trueself might be able to mix and match metal minds and hemalurgic spikes since they can blank Identity. For that matter a Trueself might be able to permanently forge any set of abilities for themselves using their Feruchemy and Hemalurgy without the attending soul holes.

On 10/23/2021 at 4:17 PM, Frustration said:

Thanks... what brought that up?

I saw your other post about writing a book and thought I would encourage you. Personally I am a very slow writer and spend weeks or even months trying to resolve some scene to my liking doing more thinking than typing (much more). Never the less I did finally finish one novel a few years ago then life got in the way and doing new novels has been slow for me. I honestly don't know how many novel seeds I have started so I would still advise just do it at least once because until you do the story will remain vague, or at least that is my experience. When I try to flesh out the story in hard copy it transforms before my eyes. Brandon would call me predominantly a gardener with hardly any architectural structure.

Never the less good luck and get started the journey is worth it.

I still think that if the few Shin who had the honor blades used them the plotting to get them by other Shin would have alerted the outside world to their presence within the country. Plus using them against each other would come with major nation destroying problems as well. So I think rare, covert use was the rule until Szeth killed the king openly as ordered. Even then that only revealed one blade and it couldn't match the ability of a true windrunner. It was only Szeth's remarkable skill which made it come close.

4 hours ago, Frustration said:

Even if they blatently used the Honorblades in every major Shin city no one other than the Shin would know due to their isolationism, so there is no reason to assume that they are trying to hide the Honorblades in the first place.

I got the impression that they were trying to keep the fact that they had them secret. Plus there is a big difference between practicing or training with them and using them. Isolated or not if they actually used them most of the major lands would soon know it and attempt to steal them for their own use or conquer them to get the blades.

I don't buy the premise that the Shin use the Honor blades at all outside of some training of a very small select group. I think they even keep them secret from from almost all of their own population with the exception of a very small select group.

Good luck starting your book. I will be interested to see your attempt.

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

He trained with all ten surges, Battle of Theylan Feilds in OB for referance.

I stand corrected, but I don't recall that.

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

Considering Vistim the non-shin who is most familiar with their culture outside of Taravangian, hasn't even seen thier farms, it wouldn't be too difficult to keep the rest of the world from finding out

Not sure what you mean by that other than they worked hard to keep them secret so again would not have used them openly or often.

On 10/10/2021 at 7:58 AM, Frustration said:

If you ask Brandon, he says you should just write it reguardless of how good it is, because very rarely is your first book going to be good, but you need the practice of writing.

I agree with Brandon, and if it is Cosmere based start in the fan fiction section where you can get feedback as you go.

I have already published one book, am working on at least two more and have some fan fics on this forum started to hone my skill and draw a potential audience. So I would say just do it that will be step one. Get written permission to publish any cosmere related or based material elsewhere from Brandon. Then tell people about it (that's the hard part).