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All the Highprinces who do claim are also perfectly capable of saying how many other Highprinces are in the doc. So no, the elims couldn't just not claim.
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Ah, okay that's fair. And yeah, I agree that having the HPs claim is not a good idea. I'm not sure whether Archer's suggesting it is particularly elimmy, but I also don't think you being sus of it is elimmy should I be concerned that for once nobody thinks Striker is sus??? I would say that I like the idea in theory, assuming that everyone publicly agreed to and followed it and that we knew for certain your distro guesses were right. However, I doubt anyone's going to agree to it, and we've (I hope) learned by now not to assume things about distributions XD
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Wait this is possibly a really stupid question but is Elhokar in the Highprince doc? @Matrim's Dice *cough* @StrikerEZ note that Archer is doing more or less the same thing he got voted out for in the MR just now... when he was village : P Presumably as a joke--Araris is notoriously against claiming XD
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Unfortunately, it also gives the elims the opportunity to get villagers voted off twice as fast. See QF50, Breaker's actions after the rest of the elim team died. One of the reasons he came as close to winning as he did is that he convinced the remaining players to tie two villagers every cycle (it was a game where all tied players died). Obviously that's possible and even probable earlier on, but it's also less harmful then, and it gives us more information. Or at least that's the theory : P
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Yeahhhh same here : P Also gut vil on Tani, to the extent to which anyone is capable of reading a chaos demon like her
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...does anyone ever hope to accomplish anything with poke votes, really? : P
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Okay, clarifications and stuff so far so that everyone's aware: The way Highprince events work is in sets of six cycles. During the first six cycles, they must use each event once, and can choose to repeat one event. During the next six cycles, they must again use each event once, and one event a second time, but which event they double up can change. The Highstorms that occur naturally are totally separate entities from the Highstorms that the Highprinces cause, and do not affect the Highprinces' ability to vote for Highstorm. Also, the natural ones give 2 spheres instead of 3. (sidenote: if this ever gets run again, the Highprince storm should be renamed lol) I agree with Gears' order of events, personally (for reference, it was Highstorm, Vengeance, Highstorm, Democracy, Crisis, Anarchy). It allows everyone to get 8 spheres before Democracy (one natural highstorm and two artificial ones, 3+3+2=8), so they can buy things they otherwise wouldn't be able to, what with that many spheres and the price reduction. Nobody will be able to afford the knife at that point, since the max. number of spheres anyone will have is 11, but apart from that we could each buy any item we wanted--there's nothing that costs 16 spheres, after all. It then shuts down the market the cycle after a lot of people have spent their spheres, thus minimizing the harm that event does because fewer people would be buying that Night anyway. Having Vengeance between the two Highstorms both fills the gap between them and allows us to get any extra killing we do out of the way early (plus, death-ties often lead to more information than RNG-ties, so they're useful early on). Finally, Anarchy is what's left over at the end. The cost of Knives does not fall during Democracy, which means that no matter what happens, no one will be able to purchase one before the second natural Highstorm on C6. @Matrim's Dice can you purchase multiple items in the same cycle, or is it one item per action (and thus, one purchase per cycle)? If the former, then during Democracy we'll be able to spend our stockpiled spheres on multiple items (anyone would be able to purchase both a legal document and a spy, with money left over for a slipped note, for example). If the latter, ignore this because you can only buy one thing; choose wisely Contracts of Peace are used automatically upon purchase, and since they don't protect from the elim kill they're generally going to be less helpful for the village than the elims. tbh I wouldn't use my spheres on this. Slipped notes are... probably not worth your spheres either tbh (speaking to villagers I mean). Your vote will do more good if you actually place it on the person you suspect, since then other people see that your suspicion is serious and may join you, or at least start a discussion. But of course, if you place your vote where you want it to be, you'd have no reason to anonymously change it. Basically, from a village point of view, the useful items are the Legal Documents (protect yourself if you're worried about a misexe), the Armor (protect yourself if you're worried about the NK), and the Spy (catch an elim in the act, can also act as a rolescanner). Well, that and the Knife, but no one will be able to afford it before C6, and most of us won't survive that long, realistically, so... yeah. Oh, and @Tani I believe the Spy is single-use.
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So I may have forgotten this game existed or rather forgotten that it started today... but here I am! I only skimmed Gears' post and I need to reread the rules (for the third time) but it's late-ish here so I'm just dropping in and then logging off. Actual thoughts in the morning XD Side-note: Striker's not giving off elim vibes yet... should I be worried? Side-note the second: Tani
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Just don't run it too soon after mine
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Me too lol
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Read my last post : P I want Mat dead. I have been trying to make that obvious, and apparently it's fallen on deaf ears or people don't read carefully enough to catch that subtlety or I don't even know what. Some of the ideas/theories that I've proposed (like the one you quoted) are probably ill-advised, have flaws, or wouldn't work, but that's because that's just how I think. I write things down and post them and come back to them later and sometimes they make sense when I look at them and sometimes I wonder what I was thinking. Sometimes I come back and I think the conclusion is right but the reasoning was wrong or I needed to state what I was thinking more clearly (as with the one you quoted--I still think it would be better to let the enemy do the work for us, though that's not gonna happen at this point obviously, but making it a general dichotomy between exeing you and exeing Mat, when really that's just the personal dichotomy for me, was not the best idea). Basically, I like to consider more possibilities than just the most obvious one, even if they seem counterintuitive. Call it an academic fascination if you want, idk. I'm... pretty tired of suspicion being cast on me for that, and I'm pretty tired of dying for it (because, let's face it, Mat is the only reason this isn't a tied exe between me and you right now--or me and someone else, ig, who knows). Also I have a physics lab report to finish and a Spanish class in 15 minutes so I probably won't be on again until next cycle.
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: P it's not really you--just that everyone keeps saying that I'm defending Mat, when I've been trying as hard as I can to convey that I'm not, that I'm just considering all of our options and trying to weigh them fairly instead of just jumping on the most obvious one. Apparently that subtlety does not carry over very well.
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Okay no y'know what I'm sick of this. What follows are every post I made in the first three pages, plus every post mentioning Mat within the first six pages. I stopped quoting after page 6 or so because at that point every post I made assumed that Mat was elim so I figured it wasn't worth it. Now please explain to me where exactly I'm defending Mat in there
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Why do people keep saying I defended Mat??? he's a confirmed elim, and I want him dead. I have wanted him dead since last cycle, before Striker announced his atium thing, which is more than anyone else here can say. I've had a different opinion about how we should kill him, but that is a very very different thing than defending him. Stop misstating my intentions please. Also what does that have to do with you, TUO, and Tani sheeping or not sheeping elim Mistborn? Also here's a VC for anyone who was curious: Matrim (12): Illwei, Books, Devo, Whysper, Ash, Biplet, Liranil, TUO, Gears, Matrim, Pizza, Reading Illwei (1): Tani Randby's not voting. I'm not voting either, because there's no point in voting Illwei and if I vote Mat he'll Soothe me off of him anyway, so it'd be a waste of red text : P
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You, TUO and Biplet, but only slightly (you and TUO for sheeping Mat on a couple of early votes, Biplet for sheeping Striker on one early vote)
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It doesn't cancel their action if they're Mistborn.
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Currently the majority of the votes are on Mat y'know
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Well, yes, given that he's dead now it obviously didn't help him : P But it could have, depending on how many voted for him and just... chance in general. So idk, I figure he woulda done it anyway.
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He couldn't redirect a vote--that's not how it works. But he knew that if Mat was the one RNGd to carry out the kill, then he could redirect that. He did not know for sure, presumably, that Mat was Mistborn, so he wouldn't have realized that even if Mat got the kill, the redirect might fail (by redirecting the wrong action).
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I mean, why wouldn't he try? idk, if I knew someone was trying to attack me, and I had a way to possibly redirect it, I'd use it : P
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It's more that I'm trusting Striker's and Matrim's instincts of self-preservation, as well as some amount of logic. I would assume Striker tried to redirect Matrim--that would make the most sense, yeah? That lines up with part of what Mat said, so I'm willing to go with that as being true. I'm guessing Matrim was lying as little as possible in this situation, so that there was less that could be disproven. Obviously he didn't use both tin and bronze, not having access to atium, and since he had an excuse for "no results from the bronze" from the start, I'd say that's the one that he didn't actually use. Tin, he gave a result for from the start--and if someone else also scanned Striker with tin, they could theoretically have disproven this or cast doubt on it if it was false. Therefore, I'm guessing that Mat used Tin, and was redirected by Striker (trying to save himself), and that the person he actually targeted had targeted you. Edit: @Biplet better explanation of my thought process here : P (also I mixed up a couple of the metals originally, I've fixed that now XD)
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XD See Bip's tl;dr if you haven't already. Would add onto it that regardless of what Matrim's action was, Striker almost certainly redirected it. Because he would have wanted to save himself, and when he saw that Mat was voting him he knew there was at least a chance that a redirect on Mat would do that. (of course, if he rolled steel C1 then this falls apart, but otherwise I'd say it's a pretty reasonable assumption). Another note: remember how we were saying that Vin could prove herself by burning duralumin and brass to prove that she's Vin (has access to duralumin and can choose her metals?). Well, technically if Zane had been up for exe he could have done the same by burning atium also to get access to brass... but that's a mute point now lol I just thought it was interesting.
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Right, that occurred to me after I wrote out that whole thing in the edit : P Still, though, I would guess he targeted Striker with Tin. Edit: but then Striker probably would have redirected him--see, that's the reason I think he was telling the truth about the redirect; assuming that Mat targeted Striker with anything at all, Striker would probably have used steel as his atium-metal to try to redirect him, either not realizing that it only showed a vote or just hoping the kill would be RNGd to Mat. idk though... maybe Mat didn't target Striker at all. Maybe I should just let Matrim answer this one
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I'd presume he tried to burn either Tin or Brass--it would make sense for him to scan Striker, since he'd been attacked + survived and he wasn't up for immediate exe. Mat couldn't have known for sure that Striker was going to be attacked again : P Edit: Wait Mat said he'd been redirected. And that the person he scanned (with Tin) targeted Illwei. nvm that's probably what happened. @Matrim's Dice right? You tried to target Striker with Tin, he tried to redirect you after burning atium but ended up redirecting your Tin instead of your kill (or you weren't the one who was assigned the kill, whatever the case), and you were redirected onto someone who targeted Illwei. That sound right? (Mat, in this case, likely wasn't the one who voted Striker for the NK. In either cycle. (edit; wait no he must have... no that doesn't make sense either.... I'm confused now ignore me) Because otherwise he would have known immediately which kill belonged to his team, and wouldn't have bothered to scan Striker necessarily.)
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Correct. But, since Mat is the only person whose word we have thus far that Illwei was copperclouded, and Mat was obviously lying (edit: as in he couldn't have known), there's no particular reason to think Illwei was copperclouded, any more than there is to think I was copperclouded or you were
