Illwei

Thread control being needed for elims != them currently having it.

25 minutes? The cycle was posted at 10:20 my time so I assumed we had another 3 hours left for the 48 hours.

Out of all the people who haven't posted a lot, i don't think Xino is the most likely to be an elim @Matrim's Dice. Why xino again? Asking because it sure seems like you're voting xino because you think I'm an elim and they're my likely partner.

Sart I'll go back to this for now. If conq is an elim then it's [devo, wiz, shining] poe I believe.

We can talk about quantity and quality and their difference with contribution, but saying "it's not quantity, it's just I expect a paragraph at least of reasoning for everything" is a little contradictory.

Yall can say you find it weird but in the end I have good accuracy so it's not like I'm pulling them out of thin air.

Town: Araris, Luck, Mat Yea

I didn't say he fit his scum meta, I said that i found it odd that he wasn't jumping straight out with voting me- while he wasn't voting anyone and in fact has been basically agreeing with everyone and not really saying much. still he's been awfully quiet and whatnot. The explaination obviously wasn't needed for the wizard vote as matrim pretty much summed it up. it was the post about guessing the team comp where he said the most realistic number, but then guessed two more as if 4/7 would ever make sense for distro and as if he didn't want people to think that he had TMI on what the distro was.

These And i just generally think his interactions with Conq are villagery. He starts being wary of him when Conq doesn't sus him at all and says he has reasons for voting wizard when he said he was voting for the same reason as me. then after Conq's bigger post he starts looking at conq even more. He's started confbiasing a little bit in a way and it's villagery. @Matrim's Dice waiting for you to say something..............

The timing of the post by him, I basically posted at the same time iirc and my problem was that I kept seeing him lurking and not saying anything.

I don't believe that more than one of you guys [Vorros, Luck] is an elim based on how thread has been for a little bit, but if Conq is an Elim then one of you is likely to be an Elim as well due to me being the counterwagon. I don't believe that Conq is pared with Sart right now, even though that is only because of Sart's vote on him, but also Conq's reaction to the vote. If it was supposed to be theater, then I think we'd see more interaction from Sart's side. Xino is the one who pushed Conq up to be elligable to be a wagon, and Araris pushed him over. No one give the whole "Araris could be bussing" because regardless of that, Araris and Matrim are two of my village reads right now, and I feel very confident on Araris right now. That leaves Vorros, Devo, Shining, and Wizard. And of those four, shining has posted once and you can't read that other then say maybe they aren't aligned with Luckspren but you also can't say that, and Wizard is basically the same in my opinion, just not really readable for me right now. Sure yeah, but my point is they don't make someone an Elim. I get I haven't played with you and shouldn't expect you to know my meta but even on general, drastic changes in reads or approaches only mean anything negative if they're married with agenda. Vorros' accusation is that my agenda is to lift a buddy (Mat) to a village read, but how would that benefit me if I was an Elim? No one cares about my reads currently nor would it matter since Matrim isn't in any sort of danger. if I'm about to die as an Elim then awkwardly navigating around a partner would definitely make them look worse than if i continued to scumread him or did nothing at all. That's why Vorros' point about how that "looks bad for me" doesn't make sense and I actually don't look bad from that. Say "it's an IKYK" all you want, but actually don't because in the end you can say that to whatever you want as a form of dismissing it (in terms of arguments). It's not, it's common sense, especially because I am not a new player and I know what I'm doing.

Oh i was missing wizard, probably because I kept putting him in town and then deleting it, same with conq because I don't fully believe that conq is town- something feels off- but wtv. I'm not currently feeling good on Xino though by himself, when i can usually find him when he's town, so yeah. Conditionals are in the world that Luck is an Elim, they are village. Also, my read on Mat and Luck's read on mat is different. Luck didn't have basically any interactions with Mat, and also has less experience with him. never did she out a read, and then she posts the "mat is just trying to solve" which, Luck, I don't even know how that is a response to saying it seems like Mat has TMI. Like, that's the point. That's not something that normally gets posted. It's a defence of Mat when i have already said I have him as village, but his interactions feel like he has TMI on people. First of all, I never voted conquestor, and I never had a positive reputation, as you should be able to see. Also everyone knows progression cases are useless. Villagers are more likely to have confusing progressions because they're not thinking about how people view them- Elims are. EDIT: I do think the biggest thing right now to look at though is Conq's dismissal of Araris for "having some reasoning" for his WIzard vote. So my final answer is that that's not a good look and a conq wagon isn't bad. EDIT: If Conq is an Elim, his teammates are most likely in [Devo, Vorros, Shining] Xino wouldn't make much sense for a partner since I was in the lead when he voted Conq, making conq a viable wagon. If Mat is an Elim then Sart is likely his partner. EDIT: Also @Conquestor being limited to two scans in a game of 11 is actually still really good, as long as the person uses them right away, and on the best people (either low posters like shining, newer players (sometimes) like Wizard or Luck, or counterwagons in the case that we vote out a villager. Assuming 8 v. 3 the fastest the game could be over is 3 cycles, more with extra KP.

I'm getting tired, probably going to head to sleep soon. No one is here anyways, so. Doesn't matter. While that is bad if you're both village, a 1:1 village:elim trade is always worth it from the village side. I'm gonna repeat what people are sick of but also regardless of if you are a villager who is active in thread it doesn't always mean that village is more likely to have control over the thread, remember that you need to be actively seeking out to other villagers so you can work with them and hopefully get them to find you so sure that Mat is village? Which leads me to: Luckspren I'll start here, where- Well, it's hard with new players (you're new, right? because you don't sound it) because no one, including them ofc, knows how they play yet. -1 point for saying we should kill two people who i believe to be village currently. Especially for the reasoning that they have given- Conq and I have not been arguing, nor had conq had more than 2 posts (does not meet criteria for "arguing enough" as that implies high thread presence). There were interactions, specifically where Araris quoted you: the specific "in the game approval PM" which was obviously to clarify that he didn't learn this from the Elim doc, is directed at Luck. If he was an Elim with Luck I don't think he would approach her in this way Anyways, that specifically is a bizzare kind of statement because it's defensive, and someone shouldn't be defensive about stated not e/e interactions unless they're 1) true, and 2) the Elim is nervous about narrowing down the partner possibilities when they die (whether this be a subconscious thought or not.) Then the added shade and then walkback in the next sentence isn't good. One thing in Luck's favor is their interactions with Xino: the first quote is something that I would normally called unpartnered, especially for a new player. it's needless, especially if no one else is there. It was 12 minutes after Xino asked the question. The second Quote however is something I'd call partnered if Luck is an Elim. Because it's a kind of joke I wouldn't see a new Elim being able to make with a villager. I think this point is smaller though, and if Luck were to flip Elim I'd probably clear Xino, and only use this as a defense for her before she dies. Village Mat, Araris Conditionals Xino, Shining Elim Luck Happy late birthday Vorros Conq, Devo, Sart, Vorros contains 1-2 wolves

Not been as communicative? I had one explanation, which was needless filler to try and get you to say anything. My other posts are not explanations, but me playing the game. I'm annoyed over your approach to me, I suppose because you don't feel like you're trying to solve me. You also don't feel like you're trying to antagonize me either, though.

Despite my vote on Sart, I am okay with his vote on conq, even though i don't quite think the reasoning is there (red flag) I have my own problems with conq's content (or lack of) so it's fine for now. @Conquestor in between my first two posts was when i was sleeping. could definitely use that argument about you not saying much back on you, with your one post, but I'm not because it hasn't even been 24 hours. Anyways off to work now, don't know how busy it's going to be so may be around or may be back at about 4-6am Eastern Time. @Vorros you here?

I wouldn't call Araris' vote opportunistic, and I actually think it was villagery of him to even vote Wizard when I hadn't stated my reasoning. EDIT: implying that since there was no reasoning and he wasn't stating his own, there's not much to be opportunistic about there, especially because it's so soon I'm the cycle. It's more likely for someone to jump on araris for a bad follow than jump on me for no reasoning, so it's a risky move to make as an elim. EDIT: I think I'm moving Matrim to my village leans for now. I have a problem with this but it's a silly problem. When matrim is village he doesn't trust me really, so finding reasons to vote me are usually very there. Here though, his immediate take is a "I can understand why your thoughts are valid, but i disagree," which to me makes it sound like he knows I'm village. An immediate disagreement would normally translate to a elim lean on me. Anyways I guess the summary is that Matrim seems like he has TMI on a few slots- Luck, me, Wizard at the very least. (if Mat is an Elim then Wizard can also be a teammate, even though I'm not sure where I'm leaning on Wizard right now.) Sart @The Unknown Novel

Araris it was the elaborating on where you got the info part of it. Also forgot to add, Wizard shading the double life role happened in a very awkward way imo and implies that if Wizard is an elim that they don't have one (which I would assume anyways, going with 3 elims) It's the only one that doesn't make sense to me in their explaination.

I don't think there's that much to talk about distro wise. Everyone seems fine calling it three elims and I think that's fine based on TUNs previous games and a history of larger elim teams over smaller ones That also means that at least one person who has checked in is an Elim Any thoughts on this, guys? -- Vil: Araris, Xino Araris/luck never e/e Mat feels like he has tmi on luck being v. Conquests slight e lean for adding on that I haven't posted anything since then, as someone who hasn't posted. This is the only situation where I'm going to say it was a point in your favor rn that you walked that back, but we'll see.

The Wandering Wizard I don't think this needs an explaination

Note that doubleposting is not encouraged if you need to say something else later you can edit your post with a clearly marked edit ex EDIT: more things

Oh damn I'll move from pinch hitters to players Still not reading the rules

I'll pinch hit There's no way I am reading those rules

Wow I have a whole 1 mention in the elim doc lol

>> when you died i was like "how???" and then ignored it

I definitely questioned it, and then decided it was a vig and was just waiting for someone to claim and then no one did so it didn't matter lmfao