Honorless

Sorry about that @Nellac, it did look like I was saying that, didn't it? But I was drawing a line there. I do respect your opinion. There are people who're just doing this for the lulz though, and some who've really taken it too far when someone else objects to the vilification of a complicated character. You're lucky you haven't encountered them yet.

It's a good guess for the Fourth Ideal, @BlueNinja. I like it. You can't protect all of them, and sometimes staying your hand to assuage your conscience can lead to greater disasters which could've been prevented.

Nine months to go.

It's not canon, it was from an older draft of WoK, with Taln's PoV

I've always thought that the Simple Rules sound very antithetical to Ambition

As a person owning eyeglasses, I need this

Here are some of the latest topics discussing the same: https://amp.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7e8j20/oathbringer_fourth_ideal/ https://amp.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7dzq3h/oathbringer_the_fourth_ideal_of_the_windrunners/

That was originally an intended function of the Honorblades actually. As for Vyre's knife, how would that work?

All the more reason to have this discussion

Agreed, I'm not here to "convert" people but this meme response needs to stop. It's getting really annoying. It's flagrant flanderization. Some are done in a visceral response and we should totally have discussions about that. But a lot of Moash hate is just there because it's "cool"

Swept up is very accurate here. The only other option was loyalty, which led straight up to the man who was too afraid to free prisoners out of a sense of embarrassment. We've already gone over this in this thread before, just go back a few pages. He very much was beaten down by human & Singer actions. There is a chapter where he finds people still obeying a Lighteyes. He also sees that the Fused do not truly care about the Parshendi and was crestfallen by it. The labor camps were just tamer Bridgeruns to him. These are pivotal chapters from his PoV in OB.

Yeah, there's already been long discussions on this thread regarding what ftl said. Me, Cal very much disagree on the kick thing, same with the Kaladin salute, which to Moash was just a sign of respect towards Kaladin, and for me the Bridge scenes & Tien's death is still the most difficult part to get through. Speaking of Tien, he played a major part in making Elhokar's character more palatable for readers, I think. That was the first favourable description (via comparison) that we got of him. Kaladin called him "Dalinar's Tien". That comparison made me so mad. You guys wanna know how that scene looked from the other perspective? Here goes: Elhokar starts speaking the Words. Nononononono, not him. He doesn't deserve magical powers, the dude's a D! Moash stabs him. Oh god no, Moash , run! He said the words! He'll kill you! He'll start glowing and heal and kill you! Moash, run, you stupid dolt! Moash stabs Elhokar again, in the face. Unbridled joy. Then crushing sadness. Oh Moash, oh Kal, stop it both of you. You're both literally just there. Just talk to each other! Ene, just call me hon. It has the added bonus of confusing the heck out of people

Well said, Ene. It's not just that, Moash's story and, in fact, his theme & possibly his story arc seems to revolve around the idea of being a victim of circumstances. He had very little control over the things that had happened to him. His family's death was a result of Lighteyes politics, the Bridgecrews, then he got swept up in Graves' conspiracy which finally gave him a chance to do something, to push back. Then we see him in Oathbringer, in the Singer camps, where he's again completely beaten down. He's pretty much just pointed in a direction by the Fused at this point. He didn't just see a big, red "redemption" button and choose not to press it. He's in no psychological condition to do so. It's the furthest thing from his mind when all he's seeing is people in power abusing their power and how it's so pervasive, with the lighteyes and then the Fused. He's taken the easy way out, most people in his situation would've done the same. It's only the context of the full book that throws him in stark contrast

"revels in the glory of his wrongdoing"?

It.. might just have, huh. Not a foolproof one, admittedly

Congrats!

*smug satisfaction*

Reverse Compounding? Sweet

(nice)

That's understandable, it's a common enough response, alongside Elantris. Now my personal favourite question... who's your least favourite character in the Cosmere?

I would suggest N K Jemisin, Guy Gavriel Kay & China Miéville as some less often cited authors when asked for fantasy authors similar to Sanderson. Also definitely read put Philip Pullman if you haven't yet. Have you read the classics of sci-fi such as Asimov or Dune or Dragon's Egg? Put them on your list immediately if you haven't. You could also broaden your horizons and go for some content that is available for free. Web fictions like Ra and Grand Design are really good and really similar in style to Sanderson. The latter has humanity in the role of the mystical ancient advanced aliens and dogs as a space-faring race. As for Ra, well that one is best left unspoiled. You can read Ra here: https://qntm.org/ra and Grand Design here: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21216/grand-design Your bane is an unquenchable thirst for more novels, now go I wish for a briefcase full of million dollars in cash and nothing else in it

@StoneBound, what's the Cosmere book that you like the least? Why?

Scrolling through r/cremposting, *sigh* this topic is still relevant

Welcome to the Shard! Looking forward to having you join in on the crazy theorizing

Generally more active here but Reddit's got some quality discussions too. I'll put them on about the same footing really. Though this site's format lends itself better to debates & discussions, imo. Reddit does have us beat at cremposting So you got into Sanderson via the Reckoners? Have you heard of Worm?