Frustration

2016(it says the date in small text at the bottom for future reference). AoL was published in 2011. You can draw light in in an instant.

Compounding is using allomancy to power feruchemy, generally when people refer to reverse-compounding they talk about powering allomancy with feruchemy.

Yes I did, glad you're back. Fair enough. Taiwan and China are in trade relations, but when Chinese fighter jets and missiles routinely enter Taiwanese airspace they recognize it as a threat of invasion. So why not drop boulders down on them with 4x lashings or more rather than trying to dive through it? A little slower, but I don't think it's enough to make a difference. Not many, but I there will be some definitely enough to be considered. Just three at most. Stoneward to get the stone to tell you where the gemheart is and to dig it up. Windrunner to moderate pressure and provide speed. Edgedanncer to remove friction. Evacuate Elendel which is where all of your factories are as well as being you economic capital? I think it would be easier to dig the fabrials out, but even if you did go with explosives you would have to warn large segments of you population, or at least explain that Wax is taking up residence upstairs so ignore any explosions. There are a lot of people in the CR, and why would Tukari stand out in particular? And his news would come only from The Sons of Honor, or Honorspren, neither of which would know about Ishar's honorblade being returned. I said or surround. And I will note that it was only spanreeds whose other half wasn't inside the aluminum. Aluminum destroys powers when used hemalurgically, but if the power comes from the Spren I don't think it would affect the Radiant at all. Nicrosil would take any stormlight they had in them, but not from the gems they carried. Duralumin steals Connection, so it could take the bond. I don't know if the Spren can break it until the spike either loses its charge or is placed in an individual, and even if they did I don't think the Radiant would live long enough to swear ideals again, so that one would work. Spoiled maybe, but with it being their first combat experience I don't think anyone would notice hunger, thought seekers could likely sense it. And illusions are more to hide the glow than anything. If you need to get into a storeroom, but an illusion around the guards head so they don't see/hear anything unusual. Aon Tia doesn't require more investiture the farther away you want to go. No one notes Oathgates taking different amounts of Stormlight depending on distance, despite noting that each extra person, the oath level of the radiant, and taking the entire platform rather than just the control tower make a difference. The Nex-im can teleport three times reguardless of how far they go. Why would this be the one time teleportation gets harder the more distance you cover? There's the Mists. I'm not convinced that half-shards imprison radiant spren. I'm going by Cesium's reaction with water, now you are correct in saying that they might not scale accordingly but I think it would be odd if the amount of matter didn't scale proportionally with the explosion for both reactions. And even if the Harmonium/Trellium reaction is more than 10x more powerful the increase over the cesium reaction as well as the excessive matter I gave it should have been enough to balance out. Agreed. Considering that Spren find rebonding quickly therapudic for losing their former radiant, along with their higher population, they can in fact afford to just throw radiants at the enemy.

Stormlight can be returned to the gems it was drawn from.

The lifeboat they take in BoM is noted as being slower than a train(BoM 331) and we see horses catch the train that Wax and Co. are on, so probably around 25 mph.

That is a good point, I'll add that.

That is true, probably should include them as a minor faction.

The index will only be using confirmed current capabilities of each world as of the latest book/sample chapters in the series, unlike the vs. thread which places both worlds at the same time. I will use known abilities from other books such as awakened locks, or universal soulstamps but I won't be speculating on potential development. I'd note that Moonlight doesn't specifically say that they are one of only two with guns, only that they were the second world to have them. And the first Scadrian firearms were from before The Final Empire*. But it would probably be good for me to include machine guns. *As seen by this epigraph Ack, I thought I had that, thank you, that is incredibly important, and I shouldn't have missed it.

Welcome to Frustration's Firepower Index or the FFI, a collection of threads where I make a comprehensive analysis of every Cosmere worlds combat capabilities. This first thread wil be focused on Scadrial as it appears at the end of TLM. Shards: Harmony is mostly impotent, though he does have Kandra who can act as spies for Scadrial. 2/3 Dawnshards: Scadrial has no known Dawnshards. 0/0 Defenses: Scadrial has a rather standard set of defenses, other than that their Cognitive realm being largely composed of mists that no non-invested object can float on. Harmony's perpendicularity is in mountains further south than the roughs, placing them near Lost Doriath. It is hundreds of miles from the basin, and might make an amphibious invasion easier than a land invasion. Now it does render the Seran Range mostly useless as the gap is nearly 25 miles wide and an invading force wouldn't lose much time making for it, but it does place them starting at a much higher altitude. Additionally the Ghostbloods say that the perpendicularity is closely watched, though I'm not sure how much we can trust that as the Set got their jars of identity free investiture from somewhere off world, but it is something to keep in mind. Now the rivers will not prove to be much of a barrier as an invading force has no reason to cross them, Elendel is the economic, political, and industrial capital of the basin, while also holding half the population, any deviation from that goal would be foolish. The Malwish have several mountain ranges, and a few rivers, though it's unknown exactly how much of that land is inhabited. 3.5/5.5 Offenses: Scadrial has only a single perpendicularity, where the same mist Cognitive realm that defends them will also hold them in, preventing easy access to other worlds. They do not however have any geographical restrictions on their powers. -1/1 Natural advantages: Scadrial has average cosmere gravity making it easy for them to survive on most other worlds, however they also have the smallest population of any Major shardworld -1/2.5 Armed forces: There are 3 major groups, and two small ones of interest. They are: Elendel Basin, The Malwish, The Maskless, and The Ghostbloods. Elendel Basin has a standing army of ~10,000 and a misting population of 1 in 1000(BoM 190) with much rarer feruchemists and twinborn They have a single small airship, and perhaps a dozen allomantic grenades, and medallions. They also have a few harmonium+trellium bombs but they have no way to replace them. They have guns, machine guns, artillery, short range missiles, and a decent understanding of Hemalurgy. The Malwish have a lot of airships, medallions, allomantic grenades, and the Bands of Mourning. They also have a source of Harmonium, though they have less metalborn than Elendel, and will freeze to death in mildly cold weather without medallions. The Maskless exist. The Ghostbloods have several members with off world investiture, but not many. They do however have knowledge of most cosmere worlds, and Electrolysis for aluminum. Koloss. Koloss have a few thousand members and have the knowledge of how to make more from existing spikes, though they don't know how to make more spikes. 7/12.5 Economics& technology: Elendel basin is well developed, with several companies, publicly traded stock, and eternally fertile fields meaning a stable food supply. They also have trains for quick transport within the basin, and canned food which will keep for long periods of time. They have radio and telegraphs. They also have cannons, short range missiles, and low range anti-aircraft weapons. 6/7.5 Logistics: On World: Scadrial has overseas shipping, trains, roads, cars, trucks, rivers, canals and airships. They also have industrial manufacturing, and canned food. 8/10 Off World: Scadrial's perpendicularity is far from any population centers, or transportation infrastructure. The mountainous terrain, also means that airships or hiking is required to access it. Additionally the mists only allowing invested objects to float limits both the amount, and the frequency of their off world shipments. -4.5/2.5 Intelligence: Kandra can almost perfectly imitate all noninvested people, copperclouds can hide people from investiture detection. Tineyes and windwhisperers can listen in on conversations far way, and Connector ferrings and emotional allomancers, can influence others. 7/10 Counterintelligence: Bronze can detect investiture. 1/9 Allies: The ghostbloods may have some off world allies, and it is implied that they have a standing alliance with one of the Aethers, but for now I can't make a definitive call. 0/1. Notable invested abilities: aluminum allomantic grenades act as suppression and A-chromium can drain investiture, and Hemalurgy could steal any off world investiture they encounter. +3 Recommended strategies: Scadrial's strength is in speed, not power or numbers. The most effective strategy would be to attack before their opponent was ready. If Scadrial is to improve it's various factions will have to unite as alone they are all rather weak. Overall ranking: 31/65.5 As always did I miss anything? What did you think of the rankings? And what should I work on next?

Windrunner because Brandon said so. The only way a mistborn wins is assassination, but anyone wins that way.

@Chasmgoat it's been too long. @Rosharan A.C. you too.

The first ideal can be lived rather than spoken aloud.

It's the same language he uses for Shards, Rayse was Odium, but he was also holding Odium. And why would you be unable to hold two dawnshards?

Forms are different from intent. The intent is the same across the whole shard, so there shouldn't be anything different about making anti-autonomy investiture.

I thought it was just forming a perpendicularity by having a lot of metalborn together. Though looking back on it I think FTL is more likely.

They distribute the book if you ask here https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/60219-aether-of-night-manuscript-requests/

I'm pretty sure that counts as a Christian series with fantasy themes.

20-7 53 15-18-22-6-53-91-52? It's a different code than what you're using but I want to see if you can break it.

You're fine man, I just wanted to point it out now as we had problems on the last thread. Radio's can be stolen, or stations taken. The malwish flew multiple warships through their cities and multiple high level officials said that the Basin would be easy to conquer, if that isn't a threat of invasion I don't know what is. Why would a non-plated radiant fly through it? And if they fire non-stop anytime a radiant is above them they will use their munitions faster than they can be made. Dalinar initially went to Ishar to learn how to use his powers. 1. I don't think forcing your own civilians to abandon their homes is a good idea. 2. Radiants aren't constrained by traditional battlelines, able to fly over, or us the CR to get behind enemy lines. Tuning forks will do the same, and light can be combined without either, as the scientists that were studying Gavilar's sphere caused an explosion without either. The Stormfather's omnipresence comes from being Honor's CS, and Honor is omnipresent throughout the entire Cosmere. Szeth did the first three in a week and would have done all four if Nale hadn't stopped him on the third, or if Dalinar had allowed him to clense the Shin immediately. That's what I said, he only needed to do it once per conversation. Have you ever been dragged behind a boat? I can tell you that you can still get some good speeds underwater. And even if for some reason they couldn't an edgedanncer would solve that issue. Blended thinks that, not all of them. Ivory isn't the only unique Inkspren. 10 Million < 100 Million+ Fair enough So detonate bombs in a civilian area? So hide in your identity locked bunker and get lost in the sea of 5 million people. 1. How would he know Ishar had reclaimed his Honorblade? 2. He was still in Honorspren lands The tips would be inside a highly invested gem, they would probably be as hard to push on as metal inside the body. And as long as the aluminum doesn't touch, or surround the gem it shouldn't have an effect. Is this an aluminum, or duralumin spike? So before any train can leave you have multiple teams check the entire lenght of the track? Use illusions to hide your presence, spoil the goods, bury the hunger fabrial, leave. And why would that be any harder? Considering that Roshar is considered "High investiture" While Scadrial is considered "Low investiture" Probably a lot. Halfshards are far more durable. Early RoW talks about him having four pouches, of I think broams, but I can't remember if that's in there. The post RoW one was 73 pages long, this thread hasn't even warmed up yet. Agreed. I actually ran an estimate on page three But here's the relevent part I still think 1.3 MT is a high estimate, but I'll be generous. The one Wayne blew up? Or did I miss a second one?

There isn't anything in the text to back it up, but that's where Wax put's in the Trellium earring, and is also in the custody of one of her underlings, so I wouldn't call it unreasonable.

Telsin likely followed them from the police station.

I've only seen a little bit, but what I did see was pretty good.

Granted. You are now illiterate. I wish for heat.

"Teft, I..." He couldn't say it. The words wouldn't form. He wasn't sorry for what he'd done. He was only sorry for how his actions made him feel." -RoW 1169-1170

I would like to ask you to refrain from ad hominem. TLM says that the military is new, so it has maybe existed for 8 years max if it was formed as soon as BoM ended. Mraize already told Shallan about it being a Connection issue. And Selish magic, which is even more location restrictive than Roshars has been taken off world with simple Connection hacks, Roshar will have the secret shortly. I, one person who doesn't have to live with these limitations figured it out in two years. Why would the thousands of Rosharans who have to live with it all the time not figure it out in ten years? 1. Navani is moving the power source from Chulls to drop shafts. and with breeding programs making rubies common enough that ~17 years ago any relatively wealthy individual could afford a fist sized pair I expect most countries will have several aircraft for both civilian and military purposes. 2. Radio doesn't allow interplanetary communication. Additionally it can be intercepted, and requires delicate infrastructure to maintain. Not to mention the fact it has to have high elevation where it can easily be destroyed. 3. Vaccines have been invented, as has reconstructive surgery, it's not Modern, modern per se. but it's easily on par with or more advanced than Scadrian medicine. 4. Cities like Kholinar have indoor plumbing I find that highly unlikely given that even in the face of potential Malwish invasion the best they could get is 10,000 individuals. Shardplate absorbs the impact of Renarin falling tens of feet onto his head without a crack. And even if you draw the stormlight from a gem Radiants rarely crack them, and the more perfect they are the less likely they are to do so. That won't stop the boulder that they just gave a quadruple lashing down from crashing into your artillery pieces. Not to mention the massive waste of munitions that would be. The range on alerter fabrials exceeds the range a coinshot has. And it would be hard to fit in with a group of 6-7 foot tall people while also looking Shin. Multiple emotions can be done in one bracer How lucky then that Dalinar will be learning from the man who did it. You know how they had to be forced to do it, and most of the time armies will move faster than civilians. Raysium isn't used to make anti-light, and you have 10 years to make conjoined gems of different sizes. The Stormfather is omnipresent Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that his Bondsmith can't use their powers anywhere? My point was that people ready for high ideals are quite common. As @therunner said he only had to do it at the start of each conversation, he could hold it for as long as he likes. Ivory refused to let her practice with Transportation, and she had no reason to make organincs, but she was skilled enough with fire to not only soulcast people into it, but to write with it when she ran out of ink. Additionally she had no teacher. If there aren't gemhearts nearby move somewhere else and try again. Windrunners can move several hundred mph, so no walking. So yes an hour is completely reasonable. Crem settles at the bottom, and will layer over itself. It might take time, but it will happen. But how that manifests takes different forms. One can logically conclude, "Other orders will bond, so the best way to save Roshar is to bond myself so I have some influence over this." That's just going to deplete your already small population even faster. And that still won't work as a distraction, because again, human souls are really obvious. I don't think that an underground group suicidally dedicated to the destruction of Elendel would willingly hand over documents or work for them, more likely they would destroy their research and kill themselves rather than be taken in. You are clearly overestimating the power of this explosion if the light alone will vaporize everyone for kilometers. I thought this was supposed to be a medium sized weapon. And how is plasma being formed in a vaccum? Heat can only be transfered in the form of thermal radiation, so there won't be a shockwave to break the box open. The vaccume changes quite a bit actually. They aren't if it isn't a genocide. Then how do they get the chips? They have larger range than copperclouds do, and they last long enough to be used instead of logs for fires, so several hours a piece. Not to mention the fact that there will be more of them than there are copper mistings. Then why don't they ask their buddy The Survior, who has religious authority over half the city to bail them out. If they can even be found later when sitting out in a cozy bunker guarded by an identity lock. Because he's been in Lasting integrety the entire time Ishar has had his honorblade back. Ishar has only had it a few months and Kalak has been their since Jezrien died a year ago. Like say ten years? They can soulcast it. The old Radiants had enough to plate the entire inside of the tunnels under Urithiru. Invested metal wires that can be plated with aluminum except for the tips which will be inserted into an infused gem. Hoid told Jasnah everything he knew about the ghostbloods. And inquisitors need to rest constently and it gets worse as they age, Marsh could maybe get an hour or three of high activity a day in, not to mention him being vulnerable to CR soulcasters. That's not true. Indian tribes in the Americas had never seen guns before yet they were still a dangerous threat to early settles using the same tactics they always had, or quickly adapting new ones. Military experience can be reused, but it cannot be immediately formed. You still have to spike them specifically in the heart, not to mention that they can heal hemalurgy. The Highspren aren't on Odium's side, they are on the Skybreakers side, and the Skybreakers follow Nale who IS on Odium's side. Szeth's spren doesn't care which side he's on. A small but important distinction. They also thought that if they passed the Elendel Supremacy bill that the outercities would obey them. Maybe we don't take them at their word? They are also vulnerable if a radiant cuts a single piece out of the track the train cannot move past that point. It was a coinshot with a big gun. Why would they burn their stuff? They're going to want it back after the war is over. And many people are attached to their homes and would be unwilling to move. Additonal way Roshar could mess with Scadrial. Decay/Rotspren fabrials to spoil their food stores, then use Hunger/Coldspren fabrails to increase the army's need to eat, and use up firewood. Bury the fabrial in stone etc. And can we talk about how Rosharan fabrial technology will take off once they learn about the metallic arts and go "Hey these metals do the same thing in fabrials!" As the fight goes on Roshar will become more powerful, while Scadrial grows weaker.