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I liked the idea of the Windrunners' 4th Ideal to be related to accepting other's sacrifices, if they are willing to do it. We have that memory of Nalma, when he couldn't leave her and go save himself. Also that moment when he fails to say the Words Adolin tells them to run and also asks Kaladin to give him his knife. I think it fits the pattern of leadership too, that leader can't do everything by himself, sometimes people will die. But it is not the same that sacrificing someone, if they are willing to do so. Kaladin struggles so much with the idea of someone sacrificing him/herself, because he thinks he is worthless, that he is the one who should die, he must always sacrifice himself, not others. So his 4th Ideal is strongly tied to his depression and lack of self-esteem. My guess is something like "I will respect others' will to die for me, even if I love them". It's also kinda opposite to his 3rd Ideal, which was not easy as well.

Hm... Szeth after completing his Shinovar quest? He is my second choice for Jasnah. And I don't think the fact he killed her dad will matter, she is pragmatic enough to understand he just obeyed his masters.

I've tried to search the forum using multiple variants, but no result, so I guess I've constructed a new ship. So here we go. Taralin! Assuming that she is in Urithiru, what do we have? She likes fashion and bright colors, same as Adolin. She is cute, "grown nice rockbuds" and she is used to play with attention of men, so she can possibly keep him interested. Especially if we take into account, that her beauty is something you discover more and more you look at it, according to Kaladin's description of her, Adolin will less likely have his eyes wander, because he will be charmed! She also can be somewhat familiar with sewing, because she had been measuring soldiers in Amarams army and could probably sew something herself too, or at least she would be glad to learn that from Adolin, and we know how much he likes teaching people something he is passionate about.

Dalinar can't be unaware of terms. In his vision Odium told him that he must be aware of what he offers, he keeps to the spirit of his agreements, not to the letter. This is too expected. And who in Damnation is Moash? Odium said he was preparing his champion for a long time and it is someone who dominates the battlefield. Does Moash dominate the battlefield? Yeah, he probably meant Dalinar, but do you think this is so simple? Odium failed to pick Dalinar and not he will be forced to pick some random bad guy Moash? I don't think so. Throw stones at me, but Adolin (I can explain! ). And on the good side could possibly be: Kaladin (40%), Shallan (30%), Jasnah (20%), Dalinar (10%). I personally prefer Shallan.

Interesting theory! I would also explain why Amaram kept saying during Thaylenah battle that he created Kaladin. If he suspected Kaladin to be a Surgebinder he could imagine that slavery will make him stronger and cause his abilities to manifest. Unlikely, though, but there is something to it

Yes, I agree, I forgot about that. This is an encouraging thing, but I thought it was not what maskShallan did. She was acting more like Radiant, when recruiting Gaz and co, and chasms... Let's not talk about chasms, I am doing my best to restrain myself from Shalladin stuff in this thread, but this is a risky road Great comparison with Virtual Machines, have an upvote! I agree, that personas are not static at all, she uses them constantly as a "dump" for everything she doesn't want at the moment. Actually, that's what I see as the current picture of Shallan's character history: Prior to killing her mother she was probably whole and mostly all right. She had traits or Veil/Radiant/Shallan all mixed up and probaby something more. She kills her mother and invents maskShallan, who became a perfect daugther and, as in a mentioned above quote about Nananav, took realShallan's place in her family and home. She was kinda empty at start and the only thing she did was sketching, as Helaran told her. So sketching is probably something that originally mostly belongs to maskShallan. Creation of maskShallan and falling totally in this lie is what initially caused her to alsmost break her bond with Pattern. I would also like to notice, that this maskShallan is not necessarily a persona. It is just like a vessel or a virtual machine, that just uses a part of resources, while everything else is forgotten. She probably didn't have different personas back then, inventing them was a loophole to avoid facing the painful truth while not forgetting about it. During her life in her father's estate she was facing some troubles that needed her intervention - keeping up the family together, joking with her brothers, helping them with their troubles (Jushu's debt, Balat's girlfriend, Wikim's studies), so she was subconsciously bringing up some of realShallan's forgotten skills into maskShallan as she needed them, though the vast majority was still buried in the back of her brain. Then she killed her father and left her home. Under the influence of "outside" life's dangers and problems she kept remembering her real skills and traits, growing more self aware and therefore bringing Pattern back to life. Wind's Pleasure sinking catalysed this process drastically, and she became very capable. During WoR her skills grow, she becomes stronger, and, storms, she is just amazing Kaladin can nervously smoke in the corner. But then Pattern demands the third Truth from her. And this is what catalyses some kind of a backward process, but as she can't push those memories into nowhere, because she said the truth, she creates Radiant and uses already existing Veil as a loophole to avoid memories. She started emptying maskShallan again, but now those traits are sorted into two personas instead of nothingness. And, in my opinion, her bond is weakening again. There were some quotes about Pattern going drowsy, not noticing his own sarcasm, Shallan losing his grip and so on, but there is one more, I think noone has quoted this before: Earlier in OB Pattern had read Mraize's letter and said there were lies in it, but now he is not sure if an urchin is lying or not? He is definitely not as smart as he was before. Predictions time We know, that Wit comes to our Radiants when they struggle with their Ideals the most. Wit came to Kaladin when he was imprisoned, but thankfully his case was resolved in the same book. Wit came to Shallan in Kholinar, but she hasn't yet understood his message, she probably has to hit the bottom of the chasm to get it. I think her reintegration will require her final Truth and this truth should be something like "I'm whole" or "I'm one person" or something similar to Dalinar, like "I accept my pain" or "I'm not pretending" or whatever.

Storms, I'm bad at expressing my thoughts in English I understand, that you have your own theory and opinion, and I also find this pairing somewhat unlikely, I actually noted already that my main argument for it is death rattle and some other hints in text. I just wanted to clarify what I mean with "Amaram seeking her appreciation". I wanted to say, that there was a big difference between her fight with Amaram and her fight with Kaladin. Amaram wants to get something from her, her help or even herself as his wife, he pushes her to do something for him that she doesn't want. Kaladin doesn't want anything from her, he shows that he doesn't care what she thinks about him and doesn't need her, he is fine on his own. So Amaram was angry at her because she didn't want to give him what he wants, this is selfish and childish. Kaladin's reactions were somewhat childish too, he definitely could be more polite, but their purpose was not to "make her do as he wants", but "not to do as she wants", so he was definitely in his right to argue. I don't think Jasnah will agree to marry for political reasons. In my opinion, she hates the idea of arranged marriages and that's why she is worried so much about Shallan x Adolin betrothal she organized and excuses herself so expressively. I also don't think Kaladin will marry for political reasons too. He appreciates his freedom too much

I've noticed a couple more interesting quotes in OB today, and I am struggling with understanding them: Are those Shallan's thoughts to deal with Nananav and take her place? Or are those Shallan's thoughts influenced by Nananav's disguise? And another quote: Bold emphasis mine. We remember from WoR that she had several episodes of standing and staring to nowhere when reminded about her mother's death. Same thing is happening here to Veil when she is thinking that her help won't be enough. What does it mean? Is she suppressing something as Veil too?

Maybe I worded myself badly too, I only meant that maskShallan was invented after the death of her mother. The idea of her being worthless is the thing I added from myself. Regarding countering the idea of Veil/Radiant being not Shallan, well, I think there is even a text evidence for that: This WoR chapter is called "Veil's Lesson", and I think this is the lesson, actually. She struggles with scholar in OB. There is a moment on the meeting with Jasnah and scholars, where she is in doubt that scholarship is the thing she wants. After that she decides to run away and join Kholinar mission. I also think that encourager is not the part of maskShallan as well. It's probably more to Radiant, as it requires confidence. I would add compassion here. She cares about people in Kholinar and their problems deeply trouble her. She also is more somewhat lively - she likes to spend time with people, drinking, laughing with men and so on. Maybe passionate as well. Confident, rational, brilliant, maybe aristocratic. Well, Jasnah type, you know.

I think yes. Veil can take care of herself and she wouldn't be eating his brain with all of this "be here for the living" stuff, and he could even stand Tarah with this and still remembers her with warmth! I think they would have had a great time together

In WoR I don't see Shallan's influence on Kaladin's attitude towards lighteyes as well. His choice to protect Elhokar was done under influence of Syl, Zahel, and his own reflection of Tien and what's right. Could you please give me current example of any of his choices made under influence of his feelings to Shallan? Because I'm really struggling to find one. Yes, he was thinking some kind of "lighteyes can cry too" once after chasms, but 1) I didn't see him making any choice based on this; 2) why should we bring romance here? Couldn't they just speak as friends? What I mean is that this WoB proves us the following sequence of events: BS decides to write Kaladin-Shallan-Adolin love triangle in OB. BS writes first version of OB with love triangle and multiple personas. After beta-read BS has an idea to change love triangle a bit to stress the multiple personas, but the triangle was already there. So the initial purpose of the triangle wasn't to stress Shallan's dissociation, it was tweaked. If Kaladin was initially meant to be just the additional factor of Shallan's dissociation, then BS should have written the triangle this way initially, and not tweaked it later. Anyway, if Kaladin is there only to dissociate Shallan, then why in Damnation he must be in love with her too? Didn't he have enough of stress in OB already? I very much hope it's not the case. Doing so would be very cheap and annoying. Better leave Kaladin with no romance at all. Or, well, could he probably go out with Jenet? They had some chemistry, I think I mean I understand that in real life it happens all the time, but this is a book. If something is written in a book it must lead somewhere, otherwise just don't write about it. If something happening with a character isn't followed with some desicions or events, then don't waste page time on it. Characters eat, drink, go to the toilet and do whatever everyday stuff, but unless it affects the plot somehow we don't have to read that Adolin felt a call of nature in his Shardplate and you know what happened then. We only discover it when he tells Shallan about it and it influences the characters' relationship and gives us a better evaluation of their personalities. Bringing in a romatic arc just to keep the reader on a hook and then turn it to nowhere is a bad writing, in my opinion.

I actually don't pay much attention to the fact that she smiled in that conversation with Kaladin. I am rereading OB now and I'm just in the middle of it, and I've already noticed like 6 or 7 times Jasnah smiling, so it doesn't seem so rare to me as well, I agree with you. I also agree, that this one single dialogue is not the point, after which we can say "oh those two are in love with each other". It's kinda the same as to say that after Dalinar's meeting shouting match Kaladin and Shallan fell in love with each other. No, they needed chasms for that. But this initial shouting match was the starting point, kind of like the first impression of one another. And the first impression can be that he is independent and has nuts to talk back at her. Of course he was rude. But it is suprising, because she is used to people always doing what she says or seeking her appreciation (Amaram). Kaladin showed that he doesn't care about her appreciation and is not going to blindly do as she commands. This is exactly the kind of "a way of sticking in people's heads" as Shallan calls it. It's a hook, a seed. It can grow or it can not.

I think there was slight chemistry. And that they were not thinking about each other - well, they have barely spoken. Shallan didn't think about Kaladin before chasms, Kaladin didn't think about Shallan, only when he was considering her being a potential assassin (maybe an excuse, but w/e). I don't think Jasnah is asexual. It's just about men being too stupid for her, it can be seen from her meeting with Amaram. It's kind of the same problem Adolin had with women, but inverted gender-wise. Men were too eager in order to have her attention, so she wasn't ever interested in any of them. Kaladin is capable of surprising her (I think he did already) in this regard. He can challenge her and he is smarter than most of the men. I'm pretty sure if they have enough time speaking to each other they can both benefit greatly from it and can actually develop a romantic relationship. And about age gap - Kaladin is mature, Jasnah is beautiful, what's the problem? I see a lot of potential amazing stuff in Jasnadin. It complements the theory of Gavilar-Navani-Dalinar-Evi mirror, it brings a room for development for both characters as they complement each other greatly, it also fulfills some foreshadowing, like "the tower, the crown and the spear", and also a quote from OB which I have just discovered today: Of course he is talking about the Oathgate, but it also can be foreshadowing. "You are here to succeed when I fail." + death rattle + Jezrien. Well, I would give 40% probability there will be Jasnadin and King Kaladin I also root for this kinda because Jasnah is so expressingly asexual. There is sooooo much time spent to stress the fact how much she isn't interested in men... And also, you know, rules just don't apply to Kaladin Stormblessed. I actually would very much like this to happen. I think this relationship would be very interesting to read. It's kinda like replacing Shallan from WoK with Kaladin. Awwwwww.

I also agree that Veil has the most truth of all the personas. maskShallan seems kinda useless. What did Shallan accomplish using maskShallan? She just sits, draws and wants to run away and hide. Whenever she needs to do something meaningful she uses either Veil or Radiant. maskShallan only serves one purpose - to show her to others. And I totally agree with SLNC and quote about "Shallan became the perfect daughter". I think she invented maskShallan after killing her mother and lived in it for probably almost all her childhood. But she was not maskShallan when helping her brothers, especially dealing with Jushu's debt. This behaviour is much closer to Veil with her compassion, proactivity and bravery. It actually seems to me that Shallan has pushed too much of her problems to other personas, leaving maskShallan almost empty. She doesn't even know what she wants. What's left there, except for drawing skills and Adolin, who is meant to hold it in place? Well, she'll get bored with Adolin in a year of timeskip, push her drawing skills to Radiant, and dismiss maskShallan.

I disagree. We see his prejudice against lighteyes fading during his meeting with Roshone. It happened in the very start of Kaladin's arc in OB before he even thought about Shallan, and the reasoning was "he met true evil", not "he met a wonderful lighteyed girl and fell in love with her". There is no single line in OB that points at the idea that his feelings for Shallan somehow affected his attitude for lighteyes. He just develops it all by himself. We can totally throw Shallan away from his head and everything remains the same for Kaladin. And again I disagree. We have a WoB, where Brandon says that he tweaked the romantic arc after beta-read to make different personas love different men. It means that Shallan's part in romantic arc wasn't initially meant to cause or progress her dissociation or deepen the difference between her personas. It was the idea that came to Sanderson later, when the book was already written. And I totally agree that Kaladin-Shallan romantic arc served absolutely no purpose plot-wise so far. So there is no way it is finished. Just like Sadeas' murder and Adolin's Mary Sueish nature. Payback is coming

I think Jasnah and Kaladin is a definitely possible development of the story, though I don't see it as a political marriage. I think they both don't even consider political marriage as an option for themselves, they will both better stay single, so I believe this is going to be a romantic relationship (if it happens). I very much loved Alderant's post, a lot of good arguments there. My main argument is probably the death rattle about "the tower, the crown, and the spear". I don't find the current theory of it being about the return of KR convincing. First of all, KR is not a "title". Then, Kaladin wasn't the first KR of the new generation, Jasnah and Shallan were before him, not speaking about the whole Skybreakers order. We could think of fallen title as a highprince Kholin title after Adolin's possible death, but there is Renarin. So I think the fallen title is the King of Alethkar. Yeah, King Kaladin Don't you think he'll make an awesome King? I mean, the storming bridgeboy is now their leader or something? Jezrien is dead, you know... Well, he won't be willing to do it, but he will just eventually come to it while being alongside Jasnah with her struggles to make people like her. I also have been toying with theory of how they can become closer. Gavinor is a nice option, yes, but I have another idea. We know that Kaladin will definitely go to Alethkar for a refugees rescue mission, but he can't fly hundreds of people, including old men, sick, wounded and newborn. They will have to travel by feet and it will take a long. They will need food and stormshelters, which means Soulcasting... And this is also a good opportunity for Jasnah to start work on her reputation as a Queen, so I think she might agree to participate. They will have plenty of time to talk about moral, strategy, history, compassion, and tons of other things. What do you think?

Thank you! I totally agree on his behaviour being mix of the two things you mentioned. I think, he was doing the right thing with not trying to pursue her while she was betrothed. I actually didn't want him to talk to her in Shadesmar when Syl pushed him to, but whatever... And regarding his lack of self-esteem, I was absolutely struck on my reread by his thoughts while imprisonment and on his homecoming. In prison he thought that Bridge Four and Dalinar secretly despise him and want to get rid of him. On his homecoming he was worried about how he was going to face his parents and tell them he failed to save Tien. His parents! He thought that they won't be happy to see their own son who went to war 5 years ago. Really. What to say about Shallan, who keeps mocking him constantly and flirting with the other guy in front of him?

Thank you as well! I just want to clarify a little bit here about this point: I didn't mean pushing feelings down, this is a thing all of them do in their way. I meant the whole nature or sense of feelings they have. Kaladin's feelings are soft and tender. He wants to teach her to fly, he admires her personality and ability to smile, he wants to give her what she wants. I love the moment in OB when she was stabbed through the chest and there is this adorable dialogue "Smile! I need you to smile! ... He smiled". I stress it again - he wants to give her something. Whereas Dalinar always had a desire for Navani, so he wanted to take and not to give. We can't quite totally understand Shallan's feelings is this regard, IIRC she never thinks she wants to have Kaladin, but she doesn't also think she wants to give him something. I just wanted to say that Kaladin's feelings definitely can't mirror Dalinar's in my opinion, that's why I think he is not "Dalinar" in this mirror but "Navani".

Thanks for bringing this thread up! No, I definitely think it is not resolved. For at least two little things: Girl who stood up. This is something that couldn't be written accidentally, that Shallan stands on both her feet when she sees Kaladin two times. The storming lullaby. Why bother composing a rhyme about some absolutely unimportant event in Shallan's life? Just to hint that her father was influenced by the Unmade and could see the future? I don't think so. Other countless forshadowing things have been mentioned a lot of times already, but I'll remind again (and will add something I haven't seen on this forum yet in the end): shash brand, Wind's Pleasure, same caravan and even wagon, Gaz, parallelism in stories, like learning to fly and infiltrating Amaram at the same time, meeting outside the camps, keteks like "winds alight" and "illuminating storms". I also want to add to this list those things: Boots. I mean this is literally the first thing they both wanted when arrived to the Shattered Plains. They were both bare-footed for a very long time with their feet wounded and bleeding. And Shallan had been even harvesting knobweed as Kaladin did with his men. Part three of WoK is called "Dying". In this part Kaladin is strung up in a highstorm and Shallan is poisoned. It is regarding parallelism, though. When Shallan thinks about coming to Dalinar's warcamp she thinks that she hopefully meets her destiny there. Well, she meets Adolin, but only after Kaladin and the amazing shouting match (storms, I love it). Blackbane. They both had it and both kind of failed to use it. Have I already mentioned the storming lullaby? There is also lack of the purpose for the whole Kaladin-Shallan romantic arc. Why is it there in the first place plot-wise? How did it influence the story? What have they achieved in the chasms? Shallan discovered, that Shattered Plains were symmetrical and Kaladin got his leg wounded? I mean, four chapters just for that? Well, all right, let it be just for that, but why add romance there? And why make it so Damnation awesome?! And why then do this: And then you just dismiss all of this into "bad taste in men", "he knows me", "oh look at his hair!" and "I want to rip his shirt off"? Well, I think Shalladin is a destination, though I'm not sure that it will be fully resolved. I have a feeling, that they are meant to be some kind of bittersweet love. I could speculate about some stuff like being together in Damnation, but the Everstorm ruined it Thougt what I see for now that it is kind of trope "they are born for each other, but there is always something keeping them from being together". For Kaladin it is her betrothal/marriage and his constant feeling of not deserving happiness. For Shallan it is social mesalliance at first, then need to save her brothers, then mental health + a bit of Helaran, then I believe it will be Kaladin's marriage as well. And this is only Shalladin part of the triangle. I've described my vision of Shadolin part here.

Yeah, I noticed it too, just today re-read this chapter. I was also recently toying with the idea of uniting Heralds' divine attributes in one or two people.

Hm, I thought, that Dalinar was struggling with the Thrill because of changes in his personality.

Here are my arguments on why I think it is Evi-Dalinar-Navani mirror. Evi and Dalinar are an arranged marriage. I don't remember Gavilar and Navani being arranged, am I wrong? Dalinar said that he introduced Navani to his brother and she eventually chose Gavilar because she was scared of Dalinar's intensity. Maybe I've missed something. Also, Dalinar marries Evi for a material reason - her Shardplate. Maybe I tweak it too much, but we can say, that Shallan marries Adolin for selfish reasons too - she needs someone to stabilize her multiple personalities in the first place. Her "storms, she loved this man" appears later, so I guess this is a lie to herself. Also Navani said, that "everybody wanted them (Evi and Dalinar) to get married". Same goes for Shadolin as Jasnah and Navani and even Dalinar sometimes are pushing them to get married. Navani said as well that Evi was kind of too stupid for Dalinar. This is completely true for Adolin as well. The whole Evi-Dalinar thing also seems very similar to me compared to Adolin and Shallan. Evi tries to change Dalinar, turn him into something he is not, at least not yet. Shallan changes for Adolin willingly, putting on a mask of a "perfect Vorin bride". And when Adolin sees something he doesn't expect from her he says it is weird or wrong - when she is on the frontline or after TC battle. Shallan's feelings for Kaladin look much more like Dalinar's feelings for Navani, than Kaladin's feelings for Shallan. I can't imagine Kaladin on Dalinar's place "desiring Shallan for his whole life", though Shallan is, for me, absolutely capable of doing that, as she can shove her feelings to Veil and that's it. All of this becomes much more interesting if we add Gavilar-Jasnah to the table, though... Yeah, I'm crazy about Jasnadin, I'm sorry (though, of course, as a part of the journey to Shalladin), but the thread is not about it. And I'm sorry about an off-topic again, but I just can't leave it like that, when people say, that they believe Kaladin's "revelation" that he never loved Shallan. Yeah, Kaladin's crem about "she only reminds me of Tien" is almost as bad as Veil's "poor taste in men". Sure, he wanted her for 1.5 books, but when she kisses another guy in front of him an enlightenment comes to him "oh, storms, that's it, I just didn't love her!" It's not that I can't reach this vine, it's just green and I don't want to get there. Come on, Kaladin isn't this stupid and self-unaware. There is a difference between what character says and what he thinks. He says it to Syl. He just wants to change topic and not talk about Shallan, he does it at least third time in OB already. So he switches her attention to the stone and the mysterious person Shallan reminds him of. Syl is curious and gets tricked. Then Kaladin starts talking about absolutely unrelated things and that's it. I think I will continue it in another thread, though.

He fought quite a lot at the Tower and killed tons of Parshendi there.

Same for me. Well, journey before destination and stuff I also totally agree that Shadolin won't last or at least will never be a happy marriage. Here is my bunch of reasons for that: Adolin doesn't love Shallan. I just don't see any textual evidence of his feelings to her. Well, there is some initial attraction in WoR, yes, but nothing in OB. I don't see any single thought about her in his PoVs. He never thinks she is pretty, while he thinks Syl is pretty (two or three times, I can't clearly remember, just finished part 1 OB reread). And I've also stated in another thread that their infamous final dialogue after TC battle is not a dialogue of a man who is in love with a girl and was about to lose her. There is no relief, no happiness, no "oh Almighty, I can't believe it, I thought I was about to lose you forever, my love!". There is "oh, well, you know, the world is so weird now... maybe we don't? oh, you insist... well, you know, you are weird too, all these three-persona stuff, maybe we don't? ah, well, you still insist... well, all right, I don't wan't to make any decisions for my life on my own anyway, it was clearly stated in almost every my PoV since WoK". Shallan doesn't love Adolin. She likes his appearance, yes, she definitely wants him sexually, but it's not a good basis for a wedding. What drives her there is probably a "momentum" and fear of changing something and of "loneliness". Maybe as well fear to stay face to face with Kaladin (this is my clear speculation, no text evidence). So I beleive that all this "storms, she loves this man" is yet another lie to herself. I believe personaShallan is the farthest persona from realShallan. There are moments in WoR, where she thinks, that she would rather go infiltrating Ghostbloods than do all of this courting stuff. There is also a moment in OB where she chases ReShephir and sends Pattern for Adolin and B4 and then realises she is wearing Veil's clothes. She creates an illusion of havah and thinks something like "It is real me. Is it? Why wear this face above another face?" (quote not exact, just IIRC) She questions herself if Shallan was real her or not and why does she put her face (or not face, but disguise of her) above Veil's. We have some other moments in OB that are said with those question marks and they are interesting too, that's why I think it's important. I'm sorry, Adolin lovers, but I personally don't think Adolin deserves a happy relationship. Well, maybe Sanderson will manage to evolve him somehow that he becomes worthy, I would be happy to see this, but as far as Adolin is now, he is a man who just gets everything he wants all of a sudden, avoids death four or five times, avoids humiliation after his stupid challenge for 4v1 duel, avoids responsibility for clearly anything including murder, and what is the most interesting - that's what he wants for his life, no responsibility and someone to just take care of it all (it's a quote from WoK or WoR or both maybe). I just don't believe that in a series with responsibility being one of the key ideas it can happen. The statement "manage to be born a handsome prince and everything will drop in your hands on its own" isn't sign of a good literature. He lets someone else to make a choice for him with whom he will spend the rest of his life! He must face the consequences of this. This chain of luck must end eventually. I don't think it will be a divorce, though. I am on a "dark Adolin" side and I think he will die. Probably in a dramatic way by the hand of the one of MCs. I prefer Shallan in this role This comes from an idea (it was originally posted in a looooong triangle thread, though I don't remember the author) that this square triangle thing is a mirror of Evi-Dalinar-Navani-Gavilar. Evi=Adolin, Dalinar=Shallan, Navani=Kaladin, Gavilar=Jasnah and I found this theory convincing. I've also found some supporting textual hints for Shallan being mirror of Dalinar, and the whole Shadolin marriage being a mirror of Dalinar-Evi marriage, but my post is already too long.

I think he is immune to the Thrill because Thrill represents bloodlust, desire to kill and destroy. Kaladin's purpose in a fight is to protect his men, not to kill enemies.