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On the second one, I thought the Skybreakers sent Helaran not Mraiz, Mraiz knew about Tien being a Radiant or at least showing ability with the surges. But in regards to Amarm's life belonging to another, I have no idea.

I'm not sure about the windows but it could be illumination that only he sees because remember, each order uses the surgers slightly different compared to other orders. This also goes together with the corruption manifesting differently to Shallans. To me Renarin is a very interesting character and even falls in the category that Lift is in, in that they are different to the others. HOwever, unlike Lift, Renarin I feel like plays a more important role than we realise. I read somewhere that Sanderson fleshed out Renarin's character before making Adolin, I feel like there is something missing we just don't have.

It is on my list to read. Im a few pages off finishing oathbringer. Yeah, I'm looking forward to more of the building that most likely will occur before the big storm of book 5 will be

Slight OB spoilers Okay I like that second theory a lot and makes a lot of sense however I feel like Renarin can't use Illumination not because of Glys being corrupted but because of Renarin's autism. Though mild, it does effect a persons ability to be imaginative (because they are too logical in their thinking) which is what illumination is. Also I think those lights that Renarin makes in oathbringer, seems like illumination because it doesn't fit at all with progression

Lol Most of those I hadn't read yet but luckily for you I like spoilers because I get curious by how the author writes it. Yeah I feel like book 4 will be a breather, still action packed but more character building and world building

Gurl or dude, I'm very bad at explaining my thought processes due to ADD so I think too fast and then forget how I got to my conclusion. However I didn't specify either realm so don't feel bad. I just can't wait to know more about Truthwatcher spren and their order and how they work because I think Glys is doing his truthwatcher duty correctly but just has a little corruption included.

Shoot I must have missed them. But I think book four will all be about expanding the universe of these words along with extending the questions we all want answers to.

That would make sense in the physical realm for them to be just light distortion but unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning, I don't think spren even in Shadesmar cannot have a real substance to them. I always thought of spren as the physical embodiment of emotions/ phenomena. (this all makes sense in my head but I'm sorry if I don't make sense in how I write)

If we don't see Hoid popping up in the past, he will become an inconsistent character. He says he just shows up whenever he's needed, usually when bad something was going to happen. So if he never came into contact with the Radiants, even on the days when they lost severely, Hoid would have his characterisation undermined. BUT I would like to see more book cross overs like Mistborn because the worlds are interconnected so how cool would that be. Though that won't happen in book 4 but maybe book 5

Maybe we might get a flashback of the one who wrote using the dawnchart language along with the progression of ancient Radiants. I think that will be very interesting to read and know because it will not only show the difference through each desolation but also their culture and religion which is also a massive theme Sanderson intertwines in his books.

It is probably no secret that I am really curious about truthwatchers and one of the emeralds mentioned that they foretold something. I have a feeling this message in particular would be expanded on to help explain truthwatcher since they probably could "see" the truth that was happening as well as explain Renarin's future telling. So seeing a flashback of something like this would be very interesting.

DUDE! A flashback would be awesome! We would get to see the original ones that got trained by the heralds to understand their powers and how they compare with the current knights radiant.

@Dalakaar I respect your disagreement, it just seems weird that out of all of them, including the three bondsmith spren, that truthwatchers get the unique spren like that. Unless Sanderson twists it to mean they can see a spren's "truest form".

@Invocation it's all right fam, honourable might not be the exact word to describe what Adolin feels about his father but you are right at least I agree with what you said. Also, I think it will be really cool to know more about the original radiants as individuals, like their thoughts about their oncoming betrayal.

@Ixthos I was on another thread and I had a thought that maybe your genius brain and superior knowledge could see if it could be possible. Do you think that spren that share surges look similar? or a somewhat related? Like a bondsmith and a honour spren are similar as least with the stormfather and honour spren. And apparently Ym's spren, a truthwatcher, had vine like features on it or something like that. Does that fit with your theory?

Yes you're right but I was referring to Adolin possibly "breaking" to be able to become a radiant because he realises his father who he idealised wasn't as honourable of a man as he thought. I do agree with you completely just my response was out of context.

I am usually open to what people suggest but if it was just a light distortion, thus making it not a solid spren, that kind of goes against all the other radiant spren which to some extent to have a sort of structure. The spren may not be crystal but it sounds like something that can cause light distortion not is a light distortion. If that makes sense?

Thank you! I'm glad you liked it! *imagine a purple heart here* My teacher was really against me using Vin for my assignment because she didn't know who she was but I still got a decent mark because I did fulfil the task.

I meant like the spren is most likely made completely or partly of crystal, like shining a light on a crystal prism makes a rainbow. It also makes sense it has vine-like attributes because of the shared surges of progression.

Thank you for this description. So it is definitely some sort of crystal spren.

In his killing of innocence you can argue was dishonourable and cowardly.

Thank you. I do intend to read more of the cosmere. I only started reading it recently. I’ll have a look tomorrow and thank you for welcoming me in

Can I say I love you? I totally agree with what you say about the orders being more of honour or cultivation. Though what you say of Glys is very interesting because of the concept of Unity which seems to be a theme of the stormlight series. If glys is a mixture of the three shards and is battling with them in his form, it becomes a metaphor: allegory? for what is happening on Roshar. Therefore, your theory’s outcome does make sense and would explain a lot .... but I’ll be honest, your beginning explanation was too clunky to understand or maybe I’m too tired to understand (it’s 2.30am)

The point that Brandon is giving us so many questions, it makes sense that maybe they won’t be fully answered in the next book but further expanded. Leaving most of the questions to be answer in book 5. If that makes sense?

I thought I should post my high school English assignment which pitted Vin from the Mistborn series against Claudius from Hamlet. The point of the assignment was to show two people dealing with a theme which is very broad (in this case it is morality), and showing how different each person dealt with it. Hope you guys enjoy it! Characters Claudius Vin Venture Elend Venture Vin Venture and Claudius sit, waiting for… something after death. The room is sparse with earthen ground and unevenly painted walls. Vin wears a gown of white, bare-footed with a light step. Claudius wears extravagant robes of royalty with a massive wound in his chest that is festering with poisoned infection. One was a God, the other a murderer most foul. Vin sits crossed-legged on the ground, lost in thought. Claudius sits on a chair provided, grinding his teeth in rage. Claudius: (muttering under his breath, in a near psychotic way) That scheming, spoiled prince. He’s just like his father. Weak like a woman’s name. He couldn’t just let me be king, could he? Vin: (curious but doesn’t move from her spot) What are you saying? Only a madman mumbles under their breath for only the voices of lust can hear. Claudius: (Feeling confronted by this small child, straightens his back as he booms) You dare imply madness. A mere girl cannot fathom such thoughts let alone insult a man of them. (lowers voice while waving his hand) Begone. Vin: (Fighting back the urge to use her long gone Allomancy, she sighs apathetically as she dances up from the ground towards the still seated, dead king) I would beg for your pardon, but you are no lord in my eyes. (her eyes fill with a burning fire as she remembers her past life) You speak as if you have authority, you demand like you’re the king of me, yet I must protest for I am more than a mere girl. Claudius: You are just a – Vin: (Cuts him off as she twirls around the cramped with envious grace of a dancer) I was a morally ambiguous child, at the whim of anyone who beat me. When I thought life was nothing more than kill or be killed, I was taught (pause) trust and love. By learning such a crucial thing, I became more than you or I. I stood up against oppression and slayed the evil tyrant and became a God in the metaphorical sense of the word. Claudius: (mockingly) You, a girl, can’t be – Vin: (Relishing in her victory over a weak, madman, cuts him off) I didn’t want to be a God, but I slaughtered the God who starved us, killed us and destroyed us. I became an Empress when I married my idealistic love, Elend. Together as one, we balanced on the line of morality to bring freedom to our peoples. (Her eyes become sad as she remembers the horrors she had done) I assassinated threats to our Empire. I played the role of God in deciding which innocents should live or die. I justified every murder but that is what it was, murder. Claudius: (Laughing) Of course a pitiful girl would feel guilty about killing their opponents. (Vin stares at him, confused) I killed my own brother. He did nothing to me except be king. I am stronger than him, so I should have had the crown, yet that harlot of a woman chose him over me. So I poisoned him and married his wife. I was an excellent king, but her spawn took it away from me. (Claudius begins to murmur angrily again about his lost crown) Vin: (disgusted, pale faced) You slayed your own brother for such a selfish reason as a crown on your head and a title. You planned his demise and took bed his wife while also blaming her child for your death. Where is your sense of good and evil? Did you wash it away as you cleaned the blood on your hands? Or were you driven mad with hatred that you never considered the morality of murdering kin? (Claudius smirks manically as Vin realises his black insides) You were drunk on the thought of power. Claudius: (his atmosphere changes from a regal appearance to that of insanity) You claim me to be mad but what constitutes as mad? I had a chance to become king, was I mad to poison my brother? I believe it to be not, therefore it is not mad, but you don’t ask me about my sanity but rather morality. To that I say it is sound. Morality isn’t known to primitive life so why should I be judged on my ethics when I could easily question you and gain the same answers as I gave. Vin: (Standing tall but no taller than his shoulder, speaks with more assurance than a condemn man speaking his truths.) You speak as if morality doesn’t apply to you yet criticise it to be primitive. Are you referring to yourself as an animal? If such, then it matches your cowardice. Never have I said I killed for lustful ambitions like you state but even then, I feel guilt while you do not. Your logic implies that if I feel something belongs to me, I am entitled to murder for it. Does this not work if I wanted your crown? The world would be Ruin’s play thing if your logic were to be followed. Claudius: (scared that his validation for murder may be thwarted, speaks with questionable conviction) If there were a bad king, they would be usurped or assassination, you cannot deny this truth. What would be achieved if these tactics weren’t allowed. Life itself needs a natural enemy to remind it of pain. Morality is dependent on ones thought of right and wrong, if I believed my brother was an evil king then it was right for me to kill him. You cannot bring order if you’re not willing to destroy. Vin: (his argument flawed and unordered she renews her fire to deliver the final blow) I cannot judge you for I am the God, Preservation no longer. I know the world needs evil to know good but to murder your blood for a title, the wrong far outweighs the right. I thought a human wasn’t capable of evil, but I am again shown I do not know everything the world offers. (calming down) I am no saint, but I do not kill for wealth or esteem. Claudius: (Purple with rage) At least I shall be missed. Vin: (interjects quickly with an air of wisdom) That is all you can hope for after death, that you will be remembered even when you passed from the Earth thousands of years before. As if on cue, the sound of a male’s strong voice saying “Vin” echoed around the bare room Claudius and Vin were waiting in. A man in a suit of pristine white and cape entered from the darkness. Across his throat was a pale line, his death of decapitation, displayed proudly on his neck. His hair unruly, eyes warm and inviting, stopped short where he stood a metre away from the trio. Elend: I have finally found you. (Tears in his eyes, he runs up to hug Vin in an embrace) I believed you, I trusted that you would save us. Claudius stares distastefully at the couple while Vin’s emotions threaten to break free. Elend ignores Claudius like he can’t see him and whispers in Vin’s ear, loud enough for Claudius to hear. Elend: I love you. Vin and Elend eventually turn into mist like they were born to be, leaving Claudius alone with the haunting words of Vin, bouncing around his head. His own weak promise that someone will miss him, ultimately ate his soul until all that was left was the small speck of good that held only his love for power.