Child of Hodor

On whether the Thunderclast is a Fused or not, I think this WoB essentially confirms that it was a Fused. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/355/#e10440 The questioner asks whether Nightblood can perma-kill a Fused and brings up Szeth killing the Thunderclast. Brandon confirms it is perma-dead which will upset it's "friends" who are used to not permanently dying. When Venli views the spirits that become the Thunderclasts, she sees badly mangled forms. She compares them to Singers which would indicate she thinks they are Fused that are damaged beyond recognition. She also comments on how the two Thunderclast spirits were much larger than the other spirits. The other spirits were spren about to enter humans, these larger spirits would be Fused which can't possess another living thing without killing it. Spren also don't get mangled like that from bonding or entering gemhearts and they weren't Unmade. Sort of narrows it down. "Among the waiting spirits were two larger masses or energy -- souls so warped so mangled, they didn't seem singer at all." - OB Ch. 116 Heralds Maybe a key to the Heralds getting the same body back and not being as damaged by reincarnation as the Fused is due to the Heralds being made cognitive shadows while they still were alive. We don't know that they didn't die first, but we know the Heralds were alive when they went to Honor with Ishar's Oathpact plan. The other CS people die first then get investiture injected into their spirit before they pass beyond, but I don't know if it has to be that way. Fused The Fused: This may not help anyone like the name better, but I wonder if this means Infused or Suffused? In Edgedancer, Nale comments on how he doesn't feel anymore and says: "Honor has suffused me, changed me. It has been a long time coming." - ED ch. 19

Not out of laziness, it's an intentional splinter. He wasn't on Roshar itself before the Everstorm, the Unmade were his way of influencing Roshar even during periods when the Fused were sealed up with Odium on Braize. I don't know why Moelach does what it does, if it's gathering info and the rattles are a side effect or if Odium likes the rattles. This hints at maybe it gets info from the recently deceased: "I cannot speak, even to sate a dying demand. There are those who could pull secrets from your soul, and the cost would be the ends of worlds." - OB I-4 I think Odium doesn't worry because the rattles really don't give away his advantage much. Odium sees Waaaaay more than even the Diagram with all it's rattles and Nightwatcher aided insight can figure out. Odium can see a great deal more than these vague foreshadowings and even he is wrong sometimes. Renarin derives his power to see the future from a spren corrupted by Odium and those were wrong about Jasnah killing him and Dalinar giving in to Odium. Taravangian does better in his meeting with Odium when he doesn't try to read the future. A lot of people in SA including Hoid think it's a huge mistake to rely on pre-cognition.

I hate Street Cant almost as much as Breeze does. They were all alive on Ashyn and moved to Roshar with the rest of the humans in the big exodus. Except maybe Ash. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/372/#e11945 Like teeeeeeeechnically maaaaaaybe he could have come from Scadrial to Ashyn to Roshar, but that seems extremely unlikely. I wrote the rest of this because I like trying to figure out the Cosmere timeline and less because I think Taln could have been born on Scadrial: It feels like the Heralds are older than Scadrial, but I don't think we know when Scadrial was made in relation to this Exodus, both were post-Shattering, but that's a big stretch of time. We don't know how many times the well of ascension was used or how long between Preservation and Ruin making humans and Preservation trapping Ruin with the Well. Scadrial would need to have been made including the intelligent humans, at least 5,500 years before tWoK. 4,500 + 1,000 years for Desolations + a few years between leaving Ashyn and the Oathpact. That's a really, really, lowball estimate of how long the Deslolations lasted before the 9 Heralds quit. The gap between the first and second desolation lasted several centuries. There were more than 15, but less than 50 Desolations. The Heralds would have to start breaking much much faster immediately after. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10816 More likely, we're looking at Taln needing to have been born on Scadrial 7,000 or 8,000 years before tWoK Reading MB I don't get a sense that there were a ton of iterations before Ruin escaped. Then again the TLR completely changed the planet and moved things around then focused on erasing old religions and histories. No significant record of ancient civilizations could survive what he did.

Never really thought about the chores required to keep them working. What a pain Yeah, under guard though. It's true of plain old spheres as well, but i'd be super worried about losing a fabrial because I left it out. I'm lazy though and the other way seems like a lot of work.

We also don't know if this is it's primary function or a side effect. Even if it is the primary function, it is not a good idea to try to predict the future in this world. Even Hoid thinks it's a bad idea and warns Shallan. Odium is better at reading the future than Honor was, it's more of Odium than Honor. Cultivation may be great at it, but it doesn't seem like she shares with the ability with the radiants that much. They can easily be misinterpreted and the people speaking don't totally comprehend what they are seeing / experiencing. "I cannot speak, even to sate a dying demand. There are those who could pull secrets from your soul, and the cost would be the ends of worlds." - OB I-4

He does in another conversation when he sees Ash and Taln. "I know them from long, long ago. Memories of days when I did not fully live." Ch. 119 I'm not sure if that proves or disproves anything. He was changed several times by Honor 1) when Honor arrived and decided he wanted to ride the storms. Nightwatcher and Stormfather predate H&C, but they adopted them. The highstorms were already magical on roshar pre-shattering and spren existed pre-shattering. Stormfather / Nightwatcher were parallel entities until Honor's death. Cultivation calls Nightwatcher "child" and Nightwatcher her calls Cultivation mother. I think it's safe to assume Honor - Stormfather had a similar relationship. This point isn't completely proven in text, but here is my support. "Odium rides the very winds, like the enemy once did.: OB I-6 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/2/#e167 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/64/#e898 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/2/#e9206 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/173/#e8624 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/176/#e8491 2) Before Honor's death Stormfather began making Honorspren, honor had been doing that previously "Yes, he made some of us. Made me" - OB Ch. 10 Syl discussing Stormfather. He made some, not all Honorspren. Syl is the youngest spren that's not dead. Her radiant fought and died normally pre-recreance and Honor was not fully dead until after the recreance. 3) Honor dies and Stormfather absorbed his CS. Somewhere around here Tanavast also uploaded the visions and bound the Stormfather to show them to people.

Yours. Indicates possession or ownership. It's like Tu en espanol. Has other meanings, but none that are bad. Maybe there is a slang usage though. le tien yours la tienne yours les tiens yours les tiennes yours https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/french-english/tien https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tien#French Etymology[edit] From the neuter of Latin tuus Adjective[edit] tien (feminine singular tienne, masculine plural tiens, feminine plural tiennes) (archaic) your; belonging to you (singular

Love your name! Yeah, I don't think, even if he was unsheathed, Nightblood couldn't draw from Shallan if she wasn't touching him. I don't think we've seen him draw from anything he wasn't in contact with. Someone has to touch the hilt or the blade. The above is from the Coppermind and I don't know if it's interpretation is correct or not. Is it if they view themselves as evil or is it their desire to wield the sword for selfish reasons that impacts the test? The test only seems to happen when Nightblood is unsheathed and offered to the person / available for them to pick up. Is the test what emotions / thoughts spring up when the person sees the opportunity to wield this powerful, destructive object? Shallan feels terrible about killing her parents. She abandoned Pattern for a decade because of it. She doesn't like using him to hurt people. That may help her. People who pass, but not by willpower, feel nausea. We've seen magically induced nausea in SA. Dalinar feels it in tWoK when he slaughtered Parshendi while embracing the Thrill. He looked around at all the corpses, the Thrill leaves him and he feels sick. (tWoK ch. 26) It happens again in tWoK Ch. 56. It's due to the clash of Honor and Odium investiture within him that he feels sick all of sudden. Dalinar's honorable actions, which attracted a Nahel Bond, connect him with Honor. According to this WoB it's the combo of his honorable actions and the bond that cause the Thrill rejection that induced the nausea: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/2/#e135 Nightblood has Ruin investiture in him, probably a decent amount since he shouts DESTROY a lot. Could the nausea in part be due to the person not being very connected to Ruin through their past actions and also connected to other investiture that clash with Ruin? https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10902 Nightblood can read minds, but he needs to bond first. Although, he speaks into Szeth's mind immediately in WoR. The test could be one of investiture connection or that plus Nightblood reading their thoughts. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/167/#e3032 The Nahel bond, Shallan's connection to Honor/Cultivation through actions that attracted the bond, having Pattern in her ear helping her fight Nightblood's influence, and her longstanding reluctance to use her shardblade to kill people would help her.

I was glad the romance was resolved. I agree that "Shallan needs Adolin to be happy" is a bad way to view it. I do think some people are better influences on each other than others and Adolin - Shallan seemed healthier. With Shallan - Kaladin, they would probably make each other worse. Shallan thinks admiringly of Kaladin "Oh look how he broods all the time and has that barely contained rage! He's like a more in control version of my dad!!" Kaladin thinks "Wow, she always pretends everything is OK when it's not and never talks about her problems. I wish I could do that. That's a great way to go through life!" no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no That said, I enjoy Shallan chapters the most when she's doing research (I love lore) or doing spy / detective work (I love mysteries) and when she's hanging with Adolin she's usually not doing either. I Felt similarly about Jam-Man in tWoK, "get out of here so she can wander the stacks, have mysterious encounters with elderly women and read more ancient folk tales!" just am not into the romance. I'd be more interested in reading more of the in universe romance novel that the Ardent in OB interlude was reading Honestly I kind of shipped Jasnah - Amaram. They both like to read, he's a secret scholar who made up his own shorthand language, they both want to find Urithiru and Stormseat, she wants to find out who the real people the Vorin religion is based on were and he wants to bring back the real people the Vorin religion is based on. This was before Amaram turned into a literal monster, which I've already mentioned as a disappointment. It's like in one of the mission impossible movies where a double-agent gets half his face burned, because he was metaphorically two-faced, but now it's literal. Amaram was a moral monster now he's a literal monster! I thought he was a well-drawn, nuanced character, but not anymore! His desire for gaining power no matter the cost led him to betray Kaladin and Dalinar's trust; now it's is literally consuming him from within!!! We didn't get to see his slow descent. He got caught out in the Everstorm on his way to Urithiru, Ialai mentions he is recovering from it early in OB. Odium probably showed him that the Heralds quit and are boozing and such then made him an offer. I would like to have seen that at least in flashback, Odium surprising Dalinar in the Vision should still be the first proper introduction of Odium in the book. Then there was that scene where he gets pissed at Dalinar and asks him to stop punishing his men and that scene where he talks to Jasnah and is begging her to work with him. What if we had heard his thoughts and he's reaching out because he's desperately grasping for a reason not to accept Odium's offer, but Dalinar and Jasnah go off on him because of his past heinous acts. He can't come right out and tell anyone about meeting Odium because he's afraid they'll kill him, but he doesn't want to side against humanity and is reaching out in his way, but they are being mean to him and rebuffing his earnest offer, but for good reason because he did such terrible things. It's all so tragic! But that's only my fan fiction.

This is true. All the important Cosmere worlds are unique. But Scadrial is the least comparable to others. Both can manifest a humanoid form that humans can see, but only one Shard can talk to people one can read minds. Neither can read metal. Scadrial is very metal-centric. I'm sure you could tear a chunk of spirit web off someone and staple it to someone else or take out an aspect of yourself store it and get back later, but if pre-shattering that storage was accomplished more like how people transfer or store breaths on Nalthis via command "My Strength to yours" which is it more like? I guess we're talking about two different things how are they accessed and what is the core result "gravity manipulation" "taking attributes from others increasing your own". Although they probably impact each other. If in my hypothetical example command attributes to each other they probably can't burn their strength therefore can't compound and do the fancy multi-magic system stuff. Unless they also have a Lift like ability to transmute food they eat. Command Agility into a cupcake and eat it. Burn it turn it into more agility etc.

Agreed, that ability didn't come from nowhere.

I think Yolen was the first but there definitely humans on other planets before Adonalsium shattered according to one of the WoBs I linked.

Yeah, I wrote something like this theory a while back because the orbits are all messed up, like someone parked a moon there and disrupted everything. Someone who wasn't planning on staying long so he double parked his vehicle. Doesn't really fit with the rest of the Cosmere. Shards are kind of everywhere at once through the spiritual realm and that's where most of their investiture resides. Where they put their attention in the cognitive realm is where more of their investiture manifests in the physical realm or if they choose they can make a bunch of stuff in the system instantly invest there. I suppose the three shards could could have made the moons as their way of instantly investing. But Odium didn’t want to invest unless that was part of an agreement he made. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1551 Or something like that . Shards are weird, they don't have a body, but their power is their body. Most of their power is everywhere b/c spiritual realm, but the vessels minds aren't infinite so they can't make use of the spiritual realm investiture completely because they can't wield it ... but they can see it and access it in a way, but some better than others. They have like an infinite amount of investiture through the spiritual realm recycling investiture, but they can't exactly control the flow of it into other realms i.e. certain pits regenerated on an inconvenient timer for Ruin. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256/#e8605 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/147/#e2769 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/31/#e1729 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/39/#e397 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256/#e8702

The Mistborn magics wouldn't have existed because Scadrial didn't exist. Rosharan system did and I think we know more about that magic system than any other that would have been around. Rosharan has the 10 surges which are tied to 10 fundamental forces in the Universe. Currently, people who access it through Honor's investiture (Stormlight) use them in terms of bonds, because that's Honor's thing. For instance, if you want to go up to create a lash or bond between yourself and the sky. If these 10 fundamental forces were accessed through another Shard it would function differently. Like using Odium's investiture "voidbinding" would not work identically to the surges, but would still impact gravity, light etc. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/117/#e1640 I would think the 10 fundamental forces were around, but accessing them through Adonalsium's investiture, if that was even possible, would be different in the way you interact or apply them. They can still mess with gravity, but they wouldn't be lashing. This may be part of the reason Roshar Lightweaving is different from Yolen and why, with Adonalsium shattered Hoid's lightweaving, was "not fully functional" before he got himself a spren. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/367/#e11587 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10852 Not sure if humans were on Ashyn at this point or not. Singers and non-Yolen humans existed before the shattering so it's possible. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/188/#e3922 Humans would be the ones using this type of magic. Singers didn't really until the Fused as far as we know. Ancient Singers seem more inclined to use some sort of magic involving the Rhythms which are a Cosmere wide phenomenon, that for some reason have a special impact on Roshar. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/171/#e8272 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/120/#e7414 As was mentioned on a recent Shardcast, I imagine them standing in a huge circle singing and shaping the rock where the Dawncities were built. Could have been pre-shattering. https://www.17thshard.com/news/shardcast/shardcast-history-of-roshar-part-2-r474/

Not colors, but metallic hair, dragons appear to grow armor in Dragonsteel prime. and they aren't Silver anymore because other people from other planets mixed in. Their golden hair "breeds true" kind of like the Royal Locks on Nalthis. Iri/Ire hell of a coincidence. Big departure from the Arabic inspired names Brandon has been using for most of Roshar. We don't know which name was derived from the other. Am I a Chicagoan because I live in Chicago or is it called Chicago because Chicagoans live here? They could have been referring to themselves as the Ire and it slowly morphed into the Iri and then they came to Roshar and called themselves Iri and where they settled became known as Iri and then people started referring to the people as Iriali because that's what is done for most of Roshar: Alethela - Alethi. They are a combination of people from 3 worlds who migrated over (likely) thousands of years I'm sure their accents & pronunciation morphed over time. No other nation on Roshar uses 3 letter names, where did they get it from? Again Iri, Ire, it's not the same, but very similar. There are traces of the different worlds, but distorted. Why are central/south american countries called 'Latin America'? Well long ago in central Italy there were people called the Latins who spoke Latin and they founded Rome and created an republic/empire that lasted 1,000 years before collapsing which led to the Dark Ages. Europeans lost most of the Roman knowledge, but their language remained rooted in Latin. Italian Chris Columbus found the new world for Europe and Italian Amerigo Vespucci mapped it. Europeans colonized it and today everybody there speaks a Romance language descended from Latin. The Latins didn't go directly there, but their influence was passed down. "... the life will be white as a sun at night!" - OB Ch.36 Evi is making a color metaphor like Zahel or Azure would. But it's weirder than their's. Sun at night, weirdness with day night cycles makes me think of Taldain. This is tenuous, but it could be. Stronger evidence for Taldain (or another Autonomy planet) would be their weird 3 autonomous monarchs set up. There is a queen who is in charge of Foreign policy, there is a monarch in charge of the justice system and one over domestic policy. They aren't like the US 3 branches that have check on each other, each has control over their sphere and that's it. Autonomy.

It still matters "You have agreed to a battle of champions. You must withdraw to prevent this contest from occurring, and so must not meet with Dalinar Kholin again. Otherwise, he can force you to fight." OB Ch. 122 Dalinar can still make it happen if he can find a way to find a way to "meet" Odium again.

I think the Everstorm gets taken care of somehow, otherwise the Fused would never go away. Probably involves the contest of Champions. I would not have thought Rayse would die in the front 5, but we got an awful lot of him in Book 3 when I didn't expect him to show up until later in the Front 5. Maybe he won't last past front 5 after all.

10 is the magic number of the Rosharan system. There are 10 gas giants in the system, 10 Essences, 10 Surges which are tied to 10 fundamental forces of the cosmere, 10 Dawncities, 10 Silver Kingdoms, 10 Oathgates. 10 Months of the year, 10 weeks per month. But Tien is Ten + i. As if he wasn't a special and unique enough snowflake he has the magic number in his name. What could it mean!!! (It doesn't mean anything) Maybe they wanted to name him Ten, but his parents have country accents so it sounded drawn out southern Tieeen.

I feel confident they were spren that Odium altered with his own investiture Unmaking them. They are both intentional splinters of Odium and spren. I like the idea that there were 10 of something and Odium got to 9 of them. I think there were 10 Dawnshards and Odium corrupted/co-opted 9 of them. Brandon has said one Dawnshard is different from the rest. This is the one Odium didn't get to. That said there are a lot of occurrences of 10 and 9 in the series. 10 is the magic number of Rosharan system as a whole, except for Braize which is Odium's planet. Braize number is 9. 10 is usually good or holy and nine is something bad. 9 Heralds stayed behind. There were ninety and nine desolations according to Vorin lore (there were a lot less than that). Honor has 10 Heralds. 10 gas giants in the system, 10 Essences, 10 Surges, 10 Dawncities, 10 Silver Kingdoms, 10 Oathgates. 10 Months of the year, 10 weeks per month. Odium has 9 Unmade because that's his magic number due to the planet he invested. I think he did something to Braize that made it 9. Perhaps, it was 10, but Odium is a natural -1 (he is the Void) making it 9.

Unless it's the *Sixth of the Dusk Spoilers*: Also, I agree that if this was a stable perpendicularity the Fused would be camping it out and we have no indication of that.

Yeah, I think he'd find a way around it. From other series it seems Shard vessels are bound more to what they think they are agreeing to and not what the other party thinks. I also, don't think it would be satisfying dramatically. I just thought it would be funny.

"I am close to you, but the power is not --it still rides the storm." - OB CH. 64 Stormfather when he tried and ailed to renew a sphere through Dalinar. "Odium rides the very winds, like the enemy once did." OB I-6 a Fused marveling at the Everstorm. "Almighty Above" is a common expression. Rosharans burn prayers with the idea that the smoke carries the prayer up to the Almighty. I think they asked for Urithiru to be placed in the mountains because it's closes to the storms in the sky where Honor hung out and his power still renews spheres. Also, yeah I forgot in Oathbringer Spren and worldhoppers name the one in the peaks cultivation's. Common spren knowledge is probably correct.

It is very clear who is reading those epigraphs in the audiobook. It's just a matter of will the listener forget about their significance? The first one is a huge spoiler after that they are not as spoilery. Kind of like how both readers and listeners were immediately told in WoA "I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted." But most of us forgot about it as we read the rest of the book.

The magic fish could be similar to the magic horses, Ryshadium, and other beings. Some sort of basic spren bonding, not to the degree that radiants do, but enough to enhance them. I would have thought it was a perpendicularity, but I don't think it can be. I think the Horneater peaks is Cultivation because Honor's perpendicularity moves around (it's not the highstorms, but may be connected through the Stormfather or some other way).

How do we think this works mechanically? Apologies, my understanding of hemalurgy isn't great. To steal someone's Connection he would need use a Duralumin spike unless he used Atium or Lerasium (is Connection a power or ability, neither?) which Brandon has coyly said no longer exist since Ati & Leras are dead. I'm less confused by the spike used, than on how many bodies he needs. Does he drive a spike through a living person into a corpse or mistwraith body? Stealing connection and putting it into the other body that Kelsier somehow inhabits. How does cognitive shadow Kelsier inhabit this new body? Is he connected to the spike and then, kind of like the Fused, Kelsier goes in and the soul of the person currently in the body goes out killing them? Did he spike a living person and drive the spike into himself as a cognitive shadow and then a body formed for him / his cognitive shadow form was able to transfer to the physical realm because the spike gave his shadow Connection?