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I got the impression that they died from: First, their body Is being forced to conform to the rules of the physical realm. You could have a creature with a body of living flame or made out of mist in the cognitive realm because it doesn't have to follow physical realm laws. However the minute you bring it over into theh pysical realm That's a different story. A physical bean can't survive as a cloud hence the reason all Spren other than honor Spren pretty much die instantly. Second and this is more speculation but I think the honor Spren die from the shock of going between 2 realms. .
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Notes and Thoughts while Reading Oathbringer
bmcclure7 replied to Sterbb's topic in Stormlight Archive
Brandon has confirmed the names of the other 2 shards. You know then eventually or we can just tell you since it's not much of a spoiler. -
1. Because roshar is destroy by the everstorm and humanity needs 15 years to set up a colony in the CR. 2. Maybe dalinar wins and the hot war turns on .3. The storm father dies and it takes 15 years for them to figure out void light and void binding
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1. No one said she can't make two avatars in the same place. 2. There has to be more to it then that why did harmony describe trel as a male avatar? Why did Autonomy specifically say she is not trel?
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Well we know that the Spren of stone on roshar are particularly self aware so maybe there a corrupt form of stone Spren.
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I thought it said that the thunderclast were type of fused in ob? Maybe I'm wrong it's been a while since I've reread it
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Does that mean that most of the void Spren are new made post false desolation?
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The fact that the sibling even knew about the tone of odium shows that odium had already invested roshar before her her sleeping. As for false or interloper, The sibling isn't exactly unbiased. Perhaps during the false desolation, Maybe something that BoM did. On a side note how does corruption not invest you in a particular system? I was under the impression that trying to corrupt investor of a particular planet would invest you on that planet if you did enough of it. Is that wrong?
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Where did it say odium wasn't invested till ob ? I was under the impression that his has been invested during the desolations.
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Red can mean corruption but I'm not convinced it means that all the time. We don't know when odium started being invested in roshar. It's only an Assumption that it's started happening recently it could have been as much as 5000 years ago. The everstorm has red lightning are we to assume that some kind of corruption as well? Ulim Doesn't seem like a corrupted Spren at all. For one thing to take care of secrets only just figured out how to corrupt intelligence spren. We're as ulim is said to have been fighting for odium for thousands of years. There is no way he could be a corrupted Spren. So red must not always equal corruption. Also corrupted Sprint still retain Similarities to their previously uncorrupted form. Yet we cannot find anything similar at all to any of these void Spren on roshar.
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Equivalent not corrupted
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I'm not sure we can make such assumption about the color of voidspren. Consider all the colors of regular Spren there not all blue or green. And isn't ulim red as well? I suspect that will get several colors of voidspren. Yellow, orange, golden, red, purple extra. Odium has many colors so why not his Spren. I wonder what a more passionate version of life Spren could be growth Spren? Glory Spren, Maybe exaltations? I wonder if this will hold true for the high Spren. What would be a more passionate version of a cryptic? Deception Spren Mysterious Spren, Creativity Spren?
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They all share Identity with Autonomy so I'm not sure it would count as multiple holders, more like the many different face of Shallan. Admittedly Veil doesn't lightweave but there is nothing stomping her from doing so and if she did we wouldn't say patern was bonded to two knights. If the there can all be bonded to pattern surely all the avatars can me connect to the shards.
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I wonder if voidspren will be like odiums rhythms, same type but with a more passionate edge, storm Spren could odium version of wind Spren. We could get a whole new ecosystem of Spren.
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Ok so I was confused at first but I have a theory to explain it. So trel is said to be male avatar but telsin is female? This confused me might here is how I think it works. Autonomy makes a male avatar on taldan name trell, that avatar ascends and now is also a holder of the shard Autonomy. After he ascends he begins to make a avatar of himself telsin. Dose this theory make sense lore with the lore we have on avatars?
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No, there are void Spren on roshar Storm Spren definitely and probably others.
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Amazing how literally everyone on the thread dismissed this theory in favor of a different one.
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That's what I pictured as well, When in the cognitive realm abrays they have a Spren form ( Probably similar to Kel's cognitive form in SH) However whenever they cross open into the physical They're investure body becomes a physical body. He is trying to see if he can recreate that process with Spren. Bringing them into the physical in such a way that they actually become physical. Part of the process seems to be working they're definitely becoming physical, Now he just has to figure out how to keep them alive.
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Good question I suspect that his insanity has a part to play with that. I could easily see him becoming obsessed with Recreating the exact same process the Herald's use instead of using a simpler less complex method. Alternatively it's possible that having physical bodies is somehow important for connecting to the OP, Or at least he may think that.
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The fused arnt looking to become heralds so no. He probably intends to make his own. Making a CS pretty easy if you have a lot of power. Fortunately for him he is on roshar so power is not a problem. But Heralds are not regular CS. They have physical bodies that seem to appear from no where. That's the part he hasn't cracked yet. Hence his experiment's with spren Once he figures that out he just need to connect the CS to what's left of the OP and then give them honor Blades.
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Yes I believe he wants to create new Herolds with out honors help. The first step is try to figure out how to give a cognitive shadow can have a physical body. There's not many CS around so he is experimenting on Spren.
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1. It is slander because you implied that he is using her as a child soldier. 2. Both Piaget's or Kohlberg's are mordern realtvists. If you asked any adult a couple hundred years ago they would probably tell you that morality was black and white. 3. She is a honor spen literally the personification of black and white morality. It not a sigh of immaturity but of her Spren nature. The Storm father was the same way are you calling him a child?
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Also we don't know how common sho del are if the only have 1 or 2 worlds it's understandable that there's would be more memorable then the human one.
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Lol I didn't mean it literally. I meant one has more people and investiture. So they don't call it the Ashain system.
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Perhaps their world is simply ashin and Utol roshar
