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  1. ... but they looked like a Vorin ardent, a Fjordish evangelist, and a Hallandren priest, so we never knew.
  2. He looks fly as flip on the cover of HOA, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
  3. HERALD: THE LAST SURGEBINDER STORMBLESSED: THE LAST WINDRUNNER HONOR: THE LAST SHARDHOLDER CHAMPION: THE LAST VOIDBRINGER LIFT: THE LAST BREADWINNER
  4. My favorite theory about LOST is that Jacob is Hoid and the Island is Adonalsium
  5. Woah, you just figured out what the Smoke Monster from LOST was all along!!!
  6. I would like to come up with 24 entries in the Riphean legendarium. I have enough overarching problems for different sets of characters to pose and solve, to cover a lot of paginated territory... I'll start working on an outline here:

    BOOK ONE: unidentified title

    Major arc: Ripheus adventures through the demiplane of Apollyon, visiting images of various cities from Earth's history, during their destruction. Examples include 1200s Beziers and Baghdad, 1968 Saigon, 1940s Warsaw, 1st Century Jerusalem.

    BOOK TWO: The Hammer of Ilium

    The image of Troy in Apollyon's dream-plane is revealed to house the Hammer of Ilium. This is hidden within a mysterious labyrinth that the leadership of the city plays with. The Hammer is the only artifact known that can break the Typhoeus, an entire tower made of sinstones (pieces of Apollyon that, when broken, unleash enormous destructive force). The Precentor of Despite, meanwhile, attempts to violate the Sinkorosst, five seals on the Typhoeus itself, in another part of the multiverse; and the Precentor is assisted by a being known as the God of Rape, who wishes to molest the Princess Nausixia[?] in order to sire an entity, a living Anomaly, through which the other Anomalies might be controlled. ---And Ripheus himself remembers that he sojourned to Apollyon's demiplane because of the Anomalies: he was investigating their cause.

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      So trying to convey what Apollyon "is" to a not-me person haha, I would probably tend towards one of the following two descriptions: like the Platonic Form of Destruction, or if I wanted to convey a little bit more like something between the Christian concept of God, and a Platonic Form of Destruction. But the technical definition in the moral theory of the story is that the phenomenal economies are reflections of the twenty-four orders of amendment, which have a musical representation, and Apollyon is the incarnation of the order represented by the exaltation of retribution. [All the Songs together are known generally as the Songs of Grace and in concert as the Concert of Proof.] The correct form of the Song of the Order is the Threnody of Redemption. Apollyon's form is the Dirge of Apollyon, metaphysically the Threnody of Retribution. But the Songs are actually interpretations of Plato's concept of the Forms in the first place, so this is the Form of Retribution. Since the Songs can be allegorically mapped to a city skyline and, hence, a City, Apollyon physically manifests as a city made of/setting itself on fire (how this appears environmentally remains to be imagined; I'm leaning towards the possibility of the fire-city riding an overturned floating mountain, but the climax of the story would involve a more infinite-seeming image).

      [The City, by the way, I long ago knew as the City of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. And for this I thought of the Song of the City and the Song of the Spirit, and the Spirit of the City... When I read that title in Elantris later, well... you know?]

      So, Apollyon is the City of the Song of Destruction. At least after Armirex cedes His share in the Final Power to Apollyon, then definitely this entity ranks close to the Christian concept of God: a concept of God from the power of destruction more than from the concept of creation.

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      The Final Power is a unique function of the Keyscape. Like the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in the real world, its advent cannot be directly predicted. This, however, is because, as an expression of aws Erev Halaeon, the Ultimate Choice or the greatest exercise of free will, it is mathematically randomized as to its occurrence. It is not lucky in itself that the Final Power's advent accompanies the awakening of Apollyon, as the Destroyer would not have been able to bring about the desecration of all possible existence without Vyrian Armirex ceding His share in the Final Power, to Apollyon. However, it is only through the Final Power that the question of Apollyon can be answered perfectly.

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      Since the Septatheon come from the infinite plenum of deontometric metafinity, in each of their universes, they satisfy a theorem of the system known IRL as the "logically necessary obligation puzzle." The idea of the problem is that deontic logic entails an eternal obligation, that is the obligation is given as a principle of the abstract system. But this seems to require that there be at least one agent in existence at all times, to fulfill the obligation; which is a puzzling thing for an abstract principle to imply. But in the Riphean world, this implication becomes an ontological algebra function, so that there are living beings who exist to satisfy the requirement of the abstraction. Since 1, n, and n + 1 are all possible solutions to the function, there are beings who are metaphysically defined in terms of these possibilities. So, there is one noumenal person in itself, there is no less than one Noumenal Artificer at any given time (and there is an indefinite multitude more than one, historically), and there are infinite number of proto-Theos. Or, this is believed to be so in general, and the consequences of its degree of truth pan out in these classes.

      But the emergence of the Septatheon from the Keyscape and the pleroma, was not at the same time as the end of the Last War.

      Another later event was the establishment of the Veldaithemyr, the Memorial or City of Memory. Besides being a sort of cosmic grave-marker for all who died in the Last War, it became the place of all residual evil in existence due to an event known as the Penance. This was an episode millions of years after the Last War when a magical principle developed according to which those who did evil would all be mystically teleported into a single universe, that in which the Memorial had been raised. They would not be tormented or killed or even, technically, absolutely trapped, but it would take a little time at least to leave and the power of the Penance would likely draw them back quickly. In any event, when Apollyon awakens through the form of the Memorial (converting the entire universe-city into its physical presence), all people who have done evil, who are alive at the time, die. Others might do evil later and the Penance would have nothing to do with them, but at that moment, it is a massacre of all given sinners, which plays into the theme of the transdestruction of the Forms of Evil and Nothingness themselves.

      So, there are 12,000,000 years, roughly, between the end of the Last War and the cataclysm of Apollyon's final descension. Let's say the Veldaithemyr was completed a million years after the war (I mean it is a city that is legit the size of an entire finite universe!), the Penance was accomplished millions of years after that, and the Septatheon appeared several million more years later. I feel like having this vague chronology could allow me to come up with some other historical plot-points...

  7. Every character is actually a multi-level shapeshifted version of another character, like words in the dictionary all being defined using each other. Since Shallan is Hrathen and Hrathen is Bluefingers and Bluefingers is Axies the Collector and Axies is Rayse and Rayse is Leras and Leras is Kelsier and Kelsier is Wayne, and since Rock is Lightsong who is Khriss who is Sazed who is Sarene who is Nightblood who is Adonalsium who is Kelsier who is Hoid, then Wayne = Hoid. Theory: If Shallan and Adolin "divide by zero," Pattern will be absorbed into Shallan's womb.
  8. Odium hasn't killed Cultivation yet, though, so when he's like, "We killed you!" he seems to be referring to Dalinar's "Unity" as something he's killed, which would not include Cultivation. Now Odium might be represented as having killed both Tanavast and the proto-quasi-w/e-mind that the Shard of Honor had in its own right, and since Tanavast didn't come back to life in the scene in question, that would leave the Shard and its sort-of mind, in which event Odium's "you" and Dalinar's "I" would refer to that sort-of mind, and Dalinar's statement of identity with Unity would indicate that, in Dalinar's hand, this Shard expresses itself as Unity instead of Honor. This would be the gist of that argument. EDIT: I on the other hand think that the WoBs surrounding Honor's mysterious Ten Purposes, refer to a category of sentient/sapient/something beings, whose deaths led up to, or constituted, the overarching Splintering of the Shard of Honor. So far I would even agree that Dalinar's "Unity" is an expression of the Shard known as Honor. However, I adamantly disbelieve that Dalinar is subconsciously reinterpreting this Unity thing as if it were the entirety of what he would otherwise attribute to the identity of the Almighty as such. I have developed a further theory according to which the peculiar similarities between Odium and Honor entail that Odium has Purposes of his own, Nine in number though, which are the Unmade. [There's a WoB about the similarities in question, which will be posted upon request.]
  9. I see what you asked there.
  10. IDK, in this event, Roshar the planet survives, even the main continent, it's just the climate that changes. LOL The Stormlight Archive turns out to be about indigenous reparations and global warming
  11. I had a thought about the way the first arc might end, based on a book I saw in the library that has to do with the moon getting pushed away from the Earth. So let's suppose Odium wants to shut off access to Stormlight. If, as I currently believe, the Rosharan moons are essential to the origin of the highstorms, let's say Odium therefore tries to pull a reverse Sephiroth and instead of having a big object collide with Roshar, he does something (maybe using Urithiru) to push at least one of the moons away.* In the process, he's made vulnerable and defeated, but ten years later, we see the aftereffects of this event on Rosharan ecology, and the plot of the second arc revolves around Cultivation's attempts to heal/evolve Roshar's ecosystems in light of the highstorms no longer taking place. *Unrelated, but was there something in the OB epigraphs about Urithiru being unusually cold at some point? If so, this might play into my "the Sibling is the spren of the sun" idea.
  12. Not Seattle.
  13. Before discussing this remark, part of a WoB: There are a remarkable number of similarities between Kant's philosophy, and Realmatics, and if any philosopher "needed to learn how to write" or could "use editors," Kant would perhaps be #1 on a list of those. So as far as the difference between an interpretation of a Shardic Intent, and such an Intent itself, goes, I think the following from Kants' Critique of Pure Reason is apropos: An Intent, here, would be a concept which is incapable of a perfect definition, but only an exposition, which would be its interpretation.
  14. Even if that's true, there's virtually no evidence of this whatsoever.
  15. The WoB implies the opposite of the subconscious-filter idea. First, there's a difference between a name for a Shard, and an interpretation. A name is a Physical symbol; an interpretation is a Cognitive structure. Of course they're linked, but technically "Equilibrium" would have been pretty much the same structure, just by a different name (I mean "Harmony" could be used as in "harmonics" which in music doesn't require an "equilibrium" as a flat song, but a fitting-together of notes, but on another level there's an equilibrium to the flow). Also, the WoB only say "partly." And now why did Sazed view the combination this way? Because of his Feruchemical experience. His Cognitive interpretation of the balance of Allomancy and Hemalurgy was Feruchemy. He had a natural reason to think that the Shards as such, themselves, when balanced, could be harmonized in another form of power than the ones subconsciously mapped to them individually (even if Feruchemy had a little more Preservation-ness in it). That's true, but all that Dalinar knows of Honor is... of Honor. He doesn't have an independent notion of the subject. Even if, "Unite them," doesn't come from Honor, Dalinar thinks of it in the context of the visions coming from Honor, so the only other major, relevant reference to Unity-with-a-capital-U that we have, is something Dalinar would associate with Honor. Or: insofar as Dalinar's concept of being honorable depends on his faith in the Codes and The Way of Kings, which is not a treatise on mere unity, when he finally gets a hold of the ambiguous concept-power behind Honor, he's not going to be reducing his understanding of the conceptual side of the thing, to Unity. For Dalinar, unity is a means to an end, not an end in itself. It is not his idea of what God would be. (For that matter, then, if Dalinar had some feeling as if he was deified in the moment (of the Battle of Thaylen Field), he would have more likely said something like, "I am the Almighty.")
  16. There is a very meta Cosmere joke in this statement, somewhere *drools wildly* EDIT: Mandela Effect!
  17. Dalinar has no idea about anything like interpretations of Intents, so he has no reason to scream out, "I am Unity," as a declaration that Unity is his gloss on the Shard that Tanavast held. Even if he interpreted the Shard that way, he would have no reason to speak in such terms at that point, since he doesn't know he's picking up (a large piece of) a Shard. It would make more sense for him to scream, "I am Honor." I mean he's saying "Unity" out loud so if that was an interpretation of an Intent, it's not just "a deep-seated subconscious filter" but something he's deliberately proclaiming. Along with all the other points I brought up, this renders it almost zero percent likely that, "I am Unity," refers to a new interpretation of a Shard. EDIT: This description, "subconscious filter," has no basis in anything I know of interpretations of Intent. I mean look at Rayse with the whole Passion/Odium thing! He's not subconsciously trying to reimagine what his Shard means. He's very consciously trying to do so, even if there's some cognitive self-deception involved (i.e. he knows the conclusion he wants to reach, but he's fudging on the inferences, or even the premises, he needs to get there).
  18. Basically, what is it to be a conservative, or a moderate, or whatever? In one era, a position might be thought to be liberal that by now is conservative, so rather than define these perspectives based on sets of issues, I look at them as representing a general attitude towards punishment by government agents. The idea is that the essential purpose of a government is to administer punishment for violations of rules, since to punish someone, you have to have physical power over them, and a government agent without physical power over his or her subjects isn't really a government agent.
  19. Maybe Jaddeth is Dominion's Cognitive Shadow
  20. For some time, I had believed that terms like “conservative” and “leftwing” were not very informative or useful when it came to reporting political outlooks. However, I have since revised this opinion in light of a concept that allows for the intuitive sense of this terminology to fit together into a spectrum of concepts. The base concept is from ethical analysis and is that of retributive tyranny. The idea is that, of the categories of making amends—apologies, forgiveness, redemption, and punishment—it is the last that requires political authority, since as Kant argues, metaphysically-speaking self-punishment is impossible. (There is a psychological self-punishment that is possible but this is grounded in an incoherent principle.) Now, we can imagine systems of retribution diverging along the lines of two factors, namely range and degree. Supposing a relative maximum of either, retributive tyranny is maximum number of punishable offenses and maximum sentences for offenses. This is also equivalent to totalitarianism, in which, to satisfy the totalitarian urge to kill, anything can become a crime, and any crime can deserve death. Now, for this maximum, there can be a minimum. I stipulate that Arendt’s term, “isonomy,” or the American phrase, “libertarianism,” applies to the system in which there are the fewest punishable offenses, and the weakest forms of punishment for those offenses. Our spectrum thus commenced with goes: Isonomy --------------------------- Totality Now, between a maximum and a minimum we can imagine a median, which corresponds here exactly to so-called moderate or centrist political outlooks, in which there are a moderate number of punishable offenses and moderate range of severity when it comes to sentencing those guilty of such offenses: Isonomy ----------- Centrism ----------- Totality Having thus fixed these points, let us imagine, in turn, the following variants: minimum range & moderate degree, moderate range and minimum degree (the "nanny state"), minimum range and maximum degree, maximum range and minimum degree, moderate range and maximum degree, maximum range and moderate degree. These would be mapped to the spectrum as follows, I think: Right Isonomy --- Conservative/Liberal --- Center --- Nationalism/Socialism --- Totality Left … which dovetails nicely with our representation of National Socialism, Nazism, as totalitarianism par excellence. Now, the idea is that nations and societies are comparable categories, with an emphasis on national unity motivating harsh penalties for violations of national unity which itself might be sparsely determined (entirely or primarily by demographic geography, I suppose), whereas social unity requires more community rules than intensities of retribution for infractions of rules, as things go. Of course, even this spectrum might be incomplete. For example, we might define convergent outlooks, e.g. communism is socialism converging towards totality, and fascism is nationalism converging towards totality. Or democracies per se are liberalism converging towards isonomy, and republics are conservatism converging towards isonomy. There is also the hyperpolitical level of retributive determination, in which rather than the relative comparison, we refer to an absolute comparison, namely the difference between zero and infinity. Zero range and degree of punishment is anarchy, which is therefore congruent but not equivalent to isonomy or libertarianism; infinite range and degree of punishment is, quite clearly, thearchy or theonomy, in which an all-encompassing legislator sends “criminals” into a state of eternal damnation as their sentence. QED?
  21. That actually makes a lot of sense. I can't remember but is "I am Unity" in capslock mode? Maybe I'm just assuming that if Dalinar hadn't been shouting/screaming/w/e, the "U" there would still be capitalized?
  22. The Shard that just wants to survive planted an idea in Ati's mind to manipulate Leras into coming up with his plan so that Harmony would offer to help Hoid if he could, which would scare Odium, who would also be responding (unwittingly) to the plan that Autonomy set in motion to get Ambition killed, which also led to the deaths of Aona and Skai, who secretly implanted Hoid with an incomplete Elantrian trigger so that he could use Sandweaving to trick Endowment into thinking that he was from Taldain so that Khriss would end up on Nalthis and put something extra in Nightblood, all for the sake of getting Szeth to pick up Nightblood and put something extra in Azure (if you know what I mean ) so that Azure's child can trick Zahel into marrying the Nightwatcher, which is going to trigger Cultivation's plan to trick Taravangian intro tricking Dalinar into tricking Odium into tricking the Shard that just wants to survive into Investing in a world. Then PRESTO Adonalsium reforms and says, "This was My secret plan all along!" before the God Beyond appears and turns everyone into sticks. EDIT: Kelsier is involved here, too, he's tricking Mraize into travelling through time to make it possible for Khriss to assist the Five Scholars despite being their successor.
  23. Let's ship Shallan's alters with each other!
  24. Something from an obscure, barely (or so far not at all) mentioned Nalthian country POV.
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