Mailliw73

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I think they can rotate who they want it to be on, but once it goes through it stays on whoever was last chosen.

Mm, gotcha, just reread it and what I’m understanding is this: 

every cycle, the elims choose who would be revealed by the Fang. If <1/2 the players send in the Fang, nothing happens. The next cycle, the elims can change who the Fang would reveal. On whatever cycle where >1/2 players send in a Fang, the last submitted elim would be revealed. 

Yes? 
 

Are these Darkfriends considered dead for the win cons even if they’re barred from the dead doc? 

I’m assuming the elim chosen by the Fang is publicly revealed? So if the elim team were to rotate who the fang was on, they’d reveal their whole team? 

If the Fang goes through, does the elim team spend the whole next cycle choosing who it’s on?

4 hours ago, Kasimir said:

just a lot of winging it and trying not to die

This is all elim play is. So I think you succeeded. 

Thanks Lotus! It was fun to be back for a bit! Sorry there wasn't much RP this game. 

Looks like even the dead people thought I was evil... I honestly think I just play so differently from a meta perspective than most people here at this point that people just can't see it as village. Except Kas and Orlok who were dead on about my playstyle (but they also were the only ones who knew for a fact that I was good). It's always been a struggle for me, but especially now that I'm so out of touch with this community, I think my playstyle is just read totally differently. 

I'm not sure how Archer ended up so completely convinced against me or how I was so against Ash (again, if only I had flipped my suspect team which was Ash, Kas/Illwei, Orlok as of C5 and then increasingly Kas replaced Illwei and then she died, so it had to be Kas). So well done pitting us against each other. 

46 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Sigh. I'm sorry guys. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry :|

Please, please make me a Villager next time please :sob:

P.S. Think you misplaced Orlok with Archer, as Archer was Village. Not that Archer didn't help, but kind of sad as well, given how much work Orlok put in  

The Elim doc was 90% breakdowns and stress and crying before Orlok returned I can tell you this much :|

You did get me at the very end there. I had you and Orlok once I did my actual analysis, but for whatever reason, I was convinced Ash was the best starting point. Wish I’d gone for Orlok then instead.  

But your arguments in thread were so intensive that I started second guessing it right at the end and Archer’s posts today did feel weird, so at the end I thought maybe it had been him the whole time. 

Fair enough, I’m also good with the cycle ending then. 

@Lotus @Araris Valerian

This cycle has brought me around to thinking archer is evil and Kas just had frustrated village vibes. But, up to you Kas. If you don’t want to go archer then I’m good with an early end to the cycle and my death/loss. 

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Seconded if Archer wants to vote me instead.

I'm done. I'm really just done and I just wanted an NK to send me to the Elysian peace of the dead doc.

I knew I wouldn’t be NKd but yeah I thought this was game over and I’m happy with that. 

Edit: there was no way you or I’d be killed Kas since we’re the main suspicions left. 

On that note, I’m so thoroughly confused that I’d be fine voting Archer if you are. @Kasimir I don’t know why he wasn’t NKd. At this point, I might be at crackpot levels but idk, he wasn’t NKed and his post this cycle is weird. Why back off me?

@Archer No, if you don’t vote, I will vote for myself and end this. There won’t be any 50/50 chance. 

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Should I be surprised to be damned to yet another bloody cycle instead of being NKed? >:(

Apparently not, given how hard Orlok was going for me.

Maili.

Y'all do what you want to, I'm peacing out.

I already stole the peacing out thunder

edit: if archer wants to vote me too, I vote we ask Lotus to end this early since I don’t have anything else to say. 
edit 2: if archer has no chance of voting Kas at least because I know I have nothing left to say to convince him. Last cycle should be evidence enough and there was plenty of discussion to look at. So, whatever you want, Archer. 

Are you joking? I wanted this to be over. I’ll start. Maill. I’m not going to try to debate Kas again like last cycle, sorry village. Well played elims. 

I’m so storming confused. I’ve been talking myself in circles this entire cycle trying to figure out the most logical pairing of elims and I can’t. I sold myself on Orlok and Kas but why would they spend this amount of time and energy debating when they could’ve coasted to a win with much less of a show? I am having a hard time imagining a world where Kas isn’t evil though. 

Kas and Archer? Sure but then Archer played a deep wolf game that was impressive as it was risky. 

TUA and anyone is another risky one and banks on him coasting under the radar. 

TUA and Archer is a supreme matchup and however you got Orlok, Kas, and I to duke it out, you are the masters of this game. 

Archer/Orlok makes no sense but I guess is an option? 

I can basically argue myself into thinking it’s any of these or none of these and that’s what I’ve been struggling with all cycle. I have gone back and forth over and over and don’t even know. So I’m just assuming this game is over and it was a pleasure y’all. 

I have nothing else to say. I’ve tapped out. Kas is too over-confident for V!Kas personality but we can exe me, that’s fine. See you in the aftermath. 

I clearly didn’t get to sleep yet so one last thing because I can’t let the points rest as they are even if my vote is on myself and I’m not moving unless Archer does.

i did say success was tied to exeing you, I get it, you’ve quoted it repeatedly. That was an error sure, but I’ve clearly shown that I’m willing to take out Orlok and bussing is definitely the weaker play here. I was hesitant at that point to mention that Orlok is probably voting on me too as part of the hammer because I wanted to make it seem like there was more thread pressure on you and force Orlok to retract publicly, apparently that was the wrong move. 

my sense of urgency is NAI since if I’m village and die, we lose. If I’m elim and I die, we lose. You only pushing the elim side shows your one narrative regardless of the facts. I’m not sure where Archer fell into this tunnel (unless you’re somehow on a team and if so, I have no idea how he pulled this off) but your just reinforcing his points that you never noticed before. I can’t outtalk you, or out analyze you, definitely not in the lylo cycle in a game that I only started getting really into in the last two cycles. 

But I will note, as in the BT, you haven’t denied being evil. 

We’re done because this is lylo. It has to be and we need you or Orlok dead or we lose. I’m not trying to convince you at this point, Just making my case for TUN and hopefully Archer. Moving to Orlok is a much riskier play for village cred than just trying to convince TUN onto you. I don’t know how that could’ve been a better play but whatever. I’m headed to bed now and I’ll check in before I go to work but I won’t have time for more than a brief post then and maybe one right at the end of the cycle so unless TUN understand my argument I’ve conceded this game and I’ll vote with Archer too. Gg elims. Kas, you never get to say you can’t possibly be a good elim anymore.

30 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

But I also recognise that with Maili and Orlok's apparently gunning very hard for a ML of me, knowledge of my alignment may not be persuasive, so I figured I'd might as well actually get my thoughts down in a way that IDs why the team has to be them.

Otherwise known as keeping up Village appearances for one last push. My “gunning very hard” for you is pretty weak if I’ve totally moved off you and towards my supposed teammate. If you and archer are convinced of Orlok, why wouldn’t you join me on a vote for him? Even if I am lying about moving my vote, if you both do it, it’s the same situation we’re in now, I just survive till aftermath instead of him. Either way, it comes down to TUN. If I’m not lying and you do actually switch to Orlok with me, we know something wacky happened and TUN/Orlok deserve to win. 

@The Unknown Novel We really do need you here to jump on a vote one way or another. If you agree Archer about me, then whatever, that’s fine, I’ll concede that I should’ve made my analysis post a day earlier than I did and I’d have been on Kas and Orlok earlier and maybe in time. Or if I had only reversed the order I suspected them and Ash. 

19 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

How's it feel to pull Evil on the two times you returned to SE, Maili?  Well-played indeed. I'll honestly give it to you: you and Orlok had me fooled. More you than Orlok, and I'm impressed, even though I saw your work in LG74 from the GM's perspective. I was suspicious of Orlok for that C1 vote, but there was always that paranoid voice at the back of my head going, "Yes, but what if the busser is in <Illwei, Ash>?" You though? I'd just written you down as light Village in my head for a decent chunk of the game. I didn't even begin to relook at you in all seriousness until Aman pointed you out C3 and mentioned that you were shielding Orlok and giving him too easy a pass for apathy.

'Course, I assume I'm still alive because you guys have been gunning for a Kas ML this cycle, and Orlok's certainly been beating the war drums for an Archer ML. Well, and me this cycle - guess he's not picky, and I'm the easier target this time. I'm a student of the school of Alekhine, though. You guys want to ML me and win the game?

C1:

Meanwhile, I commented that no one had taken my sidetrain bait. But I was being too hasty. Because now we see that someone did: Maili took my bait vote on JNV, no doubt because the team was trying to identify a viable CW to Striker. They weren't all going to put their eggs in the Archer basket, even with the last minute swing to Ash. The fact that Striker made a last minute Ash swap and no Elims voted alongside Striker should further point to the fact that Devo was right: the Elims scattered among the trains rather than clump up on any one train.

So this makes - in my eyes - Orlok the C1 busser, and Maili voted on a safe side-train, likely because he couldn't get on in time to swap, and/or the team was comfortable with the Scattering.

C3:

What's interesting here is that we see a notable profile deviation, and one that will continue in later cycles. We can't say much about Orlok, as he was borderline inactive. I'm largely going to credit it to Maili having more available time, but I think it's also interesting that Maili first emerges onto the JNV main train in the same cycle he comes under pressure from Aman and Ash for the first time. (To be clear, I'm not saying this is the first time he votes JNV - I'm saying this is the first time he shows up on a main train, and I think it's no accident it accompanies increased pressure from other players.)

 

But he did end up voting on him, to his regret, three whole cycles later, but I see that you're not very interested in accuracy while trying to get your favoured ML of me going off  

Like you said, there's no way I let Striker die like that if we're teammates. No matter my time availability, that's ridiculous of a play for me to make. And I gave Orlok a pass essentially because you did. C3 was the one I was ready to actually exe him because I realized Amanw as right, but then I figured I'd let the filter do it and then he came back. 

C1: Pretty sure I voted JNV before you ever mentioned it, obviously that's not evidence you'd accept, but I think it's true. 

C3: Actually I just stick to my JNV suspicions that I brought up in like my first actual game commentary post that wasn't about secret voting... Pressure from anyone doesn't bother me, that's the game. 

I thought Archer was referring to last cycle, no?

And here, I'm pretty committed now to a Kas-Orlok team that is trying to split Archer, TUA, and I so that you can hammer on me and win it. But, if you're not, that's fine. I suspect Orlok and have been secretly worried about him pocketing me with his commenting on his village read of me. I'm 100% down for an Orlok exe if you want. If you and Archer and TUA are with me, I don't care which of you is the elim that's lying (which it basically has to be you), since we'll still have 3 of us on him. I'm officially submitting a vote on him now. 

Edit: and of course you all start coming on as I'm going to bed. Then I work in the morning and the cycle ends right after my shift, but oh well. Kas or Orlok are votes I am committed to and I'll choose whichever TUA and/or Archer is open to. 

Kas's analysis of my play is entirely fabricated and impressive, but desperate in a final play to take this last exe and win. This is one hundred percent my playstyle and both Kas and Orlok have commented throughout how this is all right in line with me and how I'd play this and only now is Kas finding evidence to the contrary. 

9 hours ago, Archer said:

-Kas was early to exclude Ash from the suspect pool when he could have mixed him

 

But he did end up voting on him. I think that's been Kas's play so far. Play kind of a middle road during the cycle, pushing on various people in thread, and then consolidating on any bandwagon that appears. Especially last cycle, he'd have to have done that if Orlok was his teammate. If we don't get Kas now, we're done. Figuring out the third elim will have to wait till tomorrow, but I think Kas is our best bet. As a last resort of consolidation, I'd join you on Orlok if you wanted and refuse to vote Kas. 

y'know, an Archer/Orlok team right now would be awful, but also pretty impressive. 

41 minutes ago, Archer said:

Kas then proceeded to be evil for seven straight years. 

 

Careful now, before Kas sees this as you cursing him. 

Man, Kas, two evil games in a row? Look at you break that streak. Looking at this, there's just no way I think that you aren't evil. I thought that last cycle, and documented it in my GM PM, but purposely wanted to bait you by seeing how people responded to my Ash push (though I did genuinely suspect him more), but looks like that coincided with a rough/busy time for you so I didn't get much reaction test. I think this has to be an Orlok-Kas team, but maybe Kas-TUA? 

Stricker (8): Kasimir, Matrim's dice, Devotary, Ash, Amanuensis, Illwei, Bort, Orlok
Ash (2): Experience, Stricker
Illwei (1): The Unknown Aon
JNV (1): Maillwi
Experience (1): Thaidakar the Ghostblood
Archer(1): JNV

D2

Thaidakar (5): Kasimir, Devotary, Ash, Amanuensis, Illwei
Ash (2): JNV, Archer

D3

JNV (5): Kasimir, Archer, Experience, Maillwi, Illwei
Unknown Aon (1): JNV
Maillw(1): Ash
Aman (1): Aman
Illwei(1): Bort

D4

Experience (6): Kasimir, Archer, Ash, Maillwi, Illwei, Orlok
Illwei (2): Unknown Aon, Bort
Archer(1): Experience

D5:

Ash (4): Kasimir, Maillwi, Illwei, Orlok
Orlok (3): Ash, Archer, Unknown Aon

@Archer Kas already said this but yeah, like I wasn't right about Ash... That's the whole problem with the exe. 
 

edit: @Kasimir about my activity, I had extra time yesterday, didn’t think I’d still be alive at this point in the game, and had enough data points to start some vote analysis. If I’d had time the day before, I’d have done it then. You have nailed my playstyle in this game and are the only person who has accurately explained it, though Orlok I think also recognizes what signs show me as villager. 

Storm it. But at least it’s not an aftermath thread… I’ll be back after class. 

Just now, Illwei said:

you'd vote me after calling me very village? lol?

I explained that I feel you are but vote wise you and Kas are the same. 

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Yeah, sorry Orlok, as a mobile player I haven't really followed much of what you've said. Who ya voting for? 

Your system goes village green to black to orange to evil red, right? 

Are you willing to vote Illwei today? Does that change if Orlock votes Kas? 

I’d vote Illwei, Kas or Ash this cycle. I want Orlok to be good, but idk. I have 1 minute to switch and I don’t know if I can. 

44 minutes ago, Archer said:

I did and you put Kas in black so I was suspicious. 

Going off his previously stated reads, I'll assume Kas is fine consolidating around Mailliw, Orlock, or maybe TUN. 

Mailliw can do Kas, Illwei, or Ash. 

Ash is voting Orlock. 

Orlock probably isn't voting for me. 

grrr that's a village thing to say :P. 

I'm moving my vote to Mailliw. Illwie, the Devo kill points to them not caring about shrinking the busser pool. Ash, you're cool with it. Kas, they have a sus voting record. Orlock or TUN, one of you has to be their teammate. Or its Illwei because Mailliw is allergic to voting for them this round. 

Here the thing, I'm fairly committed to the elims being 2 of Illwei/Mailliw/Orlock. If I go Mailliw from a soft village lean on Illwei and TUN, that brings me over to Orlock is one by POE almost. So I can talk myself into an Orlock consolidation. If there's three elims I think we're too split to win anyway. 

Edit: or do I split my votes and go back to C1 reads to look at Ash :D. Because weeeeee 

I…don’t understand? Kas and Illwei are in black in that post. They’re essentially the same person as far as voting records. I suspect both of them equally, so I have no idea what you mean.

I don’t think you’re evil, but every reason you’ve given for me being so is basically the same for you. You also don’t care if the budding pool shrinks because you didn’t even bother to vote D1. 

8 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Kas - I can't see E-Kas letting the Elims win with a whimper instead of a bang, and he's right there's not much he could do about Orlok besides tag them. Then again, idk how much Kas could do about it anyway. (Take care Kas!)

TUN - was viewing the thread somewhat and hasn't said anything. Sused early by Striker. Normally I'm pretty good at finding E!TUN, though... Okay with exeing.

Archer - needs a specific team. Striker was pushing them quite hard D1. Would rather not exe, on retrospect.

Ash - Hi that's me.

Maill - Seems to be the only one left suspicious of me, and their readslist doesn't seem to have changed in general. @Mailliw73, why didn't you vote me C2? Okay with exeing

Illwei - @Illwei, when and why did you vote Thaid C2? 

Orlok - Very low activty, nearly fell to filter same with TUN, and has just... been on several exes without too much reason. @Orlok Tsubodai, why'd you pick Striker to vote on C1 over Archer? Preferred exe

 

Both Maill and Orlok were not present in-thread before Striker made his RP analysis post.

Idk where to go from here

I planned to vote Exp in C2 but that’s the cycle I didn’t actually get a vote in. 

one of <Kas, Illwei, Ash> has to be elim. I see no world where that’s not true. 
 

Edit: I’m on Ash, Ash is on Orlok, and Archer is on Illwei. Who else is voting where? We’ll need to consolidate and we are now past the time of gambitry (sad as that is) and I think we have to all share publicly our votes if we want to have a chance.