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Do we know if this was an old injunction, or something that Honour only began to believe or say later in life?

I'd give you a like, but I'm all out. That kinda blindsided me, and really broke my rhythm ... [Edit] Aaand they're back. Who saw that coming? Actually ... saying that was a bit myoptic of me. I should try to get a different view on this ...

@Benkinsky this is giving me all sorts of story ideas! Oh, that's creepy! Almost like Returned, but clear to all the person walking around isn't really the original, but just enough of who they were to sometimes make you forget, and is a little too friendly.

When Ishar was removing traits from Dalinar, or trying to, Dalinar was in immense pain. I doubt this was a process that wouldn't wound the spiritweb. Also remember the cracks can come from any source and still work - the insane could also be manipulated, more spikes add more holes which makes it easier, and the idea is Gavilar and Gavinor have a strong connection. Knights themselves must be cracked for a spren to weave into their spiritweb, but Lopen shows you don't have to have that, yet it makes the process easier. Spren by nature don't normally possess. Also, it is key to remember that just because something hasn't been shown to occur yet doesn't mean it won't happen. Could you have predicted Nightblood could kill Rayse? There are enough reasons to think this could happen without concluding it can, and that is where the distinction lies. Yes, because Nergaoul was the one possessing them - part of this theory is that Gavilar will be removed from Gavinor, rather than overwrite him perminantly. Also, on that topic, we know a gemstone, swallowed, allows Yelig-Nar to merge with someone, and they then have to fight to keep control and prevent themselves from being overwhelmed. If Gavinor swallowed a gemstone this could facilitate the possession.

Those look really cool I remember seeing that artwork on the forum not that long ago - do you know if there are plans to do similar dust jackets for other Cosmere book like Mistborn?

Gavilar has been a constant focus of this story, every prologue centred on him, including his declaration he will live forever. And again, readers picking up on it isn't the most essential part, only that there are hints that can be pointed to after the fact. Also For the Hemalurgy part, why? Remember that Bondsmiths show powers that are in effect Hemalurgy without the spike. Hemalurgy manifests spiritweb affecting properties via Ruins investiture using a metal spike, while Bondsmiths manifest that power through touch. No Mistborn spoilers but we know the holes which allow one to be controlled are in a sense allowing in external connection, and Bondsmiths manipulate connection. [Edit] Also, for both parts, remember the series is repeatably showing possession as a thing, including a Fused surprised during Oathbringer that humans could be possessed by spren, bonding them.

I personally think Honour (and possibly Cultivation and Odium, or parts of at least one of them) will be reformed, but I think it will be held by ten people together, so a Shard with ten Vessels. I don't know if they would be on a quest to combine the rest, but I could see at least a few of the Vessels embarking on a quest to gather the rest, and this being part of the conflict in the future.

I think Syl will become more human due to her bond with Kaladin, and she may get pulled into the Physical Realm by Ishar - if a Knight's spren, in particular an Honourspren, is more suited to survive - but I don't think she will ever truly be "human".

Indeed. He was ... Blinded by the Light.

Welcome! Sorry about that, I just looked for that thread and I also can't access it from Google, but can from this link: [Edit] I should have read @Robin Hatter's reply first, as he beat me to it ... by eight hours If you have any problems in general you can contact the site admins for help. Either way, as long as you are here I hope you enjoy yourself This site is the fan site for Brandon Sanderson, a skilled writer who is working on a series of interconnected fantasy/science-fantasy novels set in a star cluster called the Cosmere, other novels such as superhero fiction with a twist with the Reckoners, stories with alternative Earths, and is the author who completed Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

It depends. Both Rayse and Taravangian looked out from Roshar at the rest of the Cosmere and have expressed a desire to rule or change it. Wit assumed that whatever happened everything would be fine, that either way Rayse would be trapped, but then realised there was a loophole, but Taravangian removed his memories of the encounter that lead him to that conclusion, so it suggests Hoid realised there is still a way for Odium to leave the system. Taravangian may be fine staying in the system but sending forces out, or he may have a way to nullify the bindings.

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Why does Hemalurgy remove a part of the spiritweb of the person it strikes? Why can Feruchemists store traits in metal. It would be different from Fabrials in the same way Fabrials are different from the medallions and Elantris's Aon plates. The right metals could be alloys with Inventions metal, so not iron but an iron alloy with the Shardmetal, etc., and the Valour, the willingness to risk danger to try something new, could be the catalyst needed. Yes, because it is about being willing to try, not about needlessly endangering oneself. Tesla worked with extremely high voltage, and there are several stories of scientists and inventors experimenting on themselves - the scientist who proved that stomach ulcers came from bacteria drank a petri dish of them to prove his point, and then cured himself with antibiotics. All invention potentially carries an element of risk, and the risk doesn't need to be physical - its about carrying on despite the risks that actives the power. Yes. Or get a different affect than what as intended. Because it was a remix on Hemalurgy, but done for benevolent purposes. The effects could be anything from providing healing to those who come near, increased plant growth, slowed down time, a permanent Soothing or Rioting, an enhancement to the powers of anyone who comes near, or making items in the area invisible based on which are seen as distinct from the environment and which aren't. If the spike is removed then yes, they can move on. The spike locks the body in stasis. One needs to be close enough to the body to interact with the shadow, so yes, well within the range of the effect. It is, which is why it could also be seen as a mercy, and wise, to remove the spike if the shadow doesn't want to stay. Remember what happened with Kelsier while he was at the Well. Possibly. There are story possibilities for someone who chose to do this and then regretted it, or it being forced on someone. Especially if it becomes like Those Who Walk Away from Omelas, with the suffering of one shadow granting peace to an entire city, and those who find out about it. I agree, and I personally don't think Whimsy is necessarily a chaos for the sake of chaos Shard, though it might be. I think Whimsy is mainly so Brandon can have slightly more bizarre magic systems. Still, it could be a Shard that, over time, becomes more and more erratic. Whimsy could be Wonder, or the joy of childhood, though I don't want to speculate too much into this as I risk adding elements of something from my own writing in. I think Whimsy is a Shard of Emotion, and the emotion of enjoyment and imagination and seeing unexpected possibilities and acting on impulse based on what one feels. That could work, with pewter always being physical, copper always being about detection of investiture (helping or hindering). Also agreed, I actually mentioned that earlier in this thread I believe - comparing it to ecosystem design. (Also, hi I'm also ADHD) It depends on the nature of the metal - perhaps the metal needs to be near Whimsy's Perpendicularity for a time to get a charge, or you need to wait between touching metals before touching the metal would again affect you. No, or at least not normally, as I wanted to try to do something which wasn't so focused on Ruin, though I suppose the metals persisting is more Preservation. Sort of, the idea is that each new design is a one-time thing, so if you make a design that produces an effect then you can't reproduce that pattern - its drawn once, so invented, but then making it again isn't inventing but duplicating, and duplicates don't have the power of the original, they just exist, so then someone would try to make a subtle change, or add a new line, but it still would have to fit the core pattern so it couldn't just be random. And it does have to be a story of the enemy's life, and so no two people lived the same life. Again, that ties to the idea of each having to be invented - it changes the dynamics of the magic if you can't use it all the time, and the idea being that each effect is in a sense permanent, so once done - and remember, each is a story in this example, so they have to be specific to the person - it lasts indefinitely. They have to have just died or be close to dying, and they have to be someone who you personally hated or disliked or saw as a rival, regardless of their attitudes to you. It kills them instantly if they are still partially alive, but only if you aren't trying to kill them because you hate them, but rather because you do respect them and actually would have preferred they lived so you could go on hating them. It is a very case specific magic. The effect doesn't affect the enemy, they're dead but now immortal as a Cognitive Shadow. The effect could be like the previously mentioned for Scadrial and spikes Mercy, only now the person isn't anchored to their body, they can move around. It doesn't make them permanently peaceful, but rather eases them in with no pain, unlike what happened with Kelsier when he died, feeling the ripping - it is peace in that they die and become a Shadow rather than dying and feeling themselves torn from their bodies or the pain their body was in, then the pull of the Beyond. Once you start they don't move Beyond unless you don't complete the drawing - you could actually hold them in that state for as long as you can afford to stay by their corpse with the partially completed effect and not either finish it or dismiss it, like holding your hands in front of you for a day - and these Shadows can choose to go Beyond when they wish, it is simply that they have the option of remaining. The ruins predate the current form of the magic, they are from an earlier time with a different form of magic that was modified when their civilisation fell. Well, more general quest fantasy, but yes It is based on the cognitive perception of the cultures involved, and how the current culture collectively views the previous, and their own relation to the previous. The stones contain a link to the power, so less like batteries and more like wires, but how that power is accessed is based on interfacing the new magic with the old. How does any element of the Cognitive Realm work? At what point does the matter you eat become the flame someone has in the Cognitive Realm? This is in effect the reverse of what happens to someone's flame when they die, when the flame becomes the bead of a corpse, only it is a bead becoming a flame which can enter the physical realm, or a part of it can. Invention directly observes and decides. Just as spren - lesser spren - can manifest partially in the physical while being in the Cognitive, or as Unmade are between worlds, and as an items bead can be taken from its corresponding location in the Cognitive Realm and moved to another planet - like the Ire fortress's stones - so to can this work for the invention's spren. True, it can't, but when Investiture is involved, Cognitive objects can be affected, see Kelsier and the campfire, manifesting beads, etc. This power is specifically about shorting out that rule and immediately making formerly disperate parts become one in the Cognitive, just like the earlier flame of a person to bead of a corpse example. Power in this sense can include the ability to power their inventions, so the inventor being like a battery - their invention only works for them - though it also could be powers similar to Emotional Allomancy or Mental Feruchemy, including storing memories inside of their journals, which another inventor could use if they get it. In general though, the inventor almost becomes like a copy of what they made, and can do something similar to it. That chair would FLY. AND let you make SPEED BUBBLES. AND produce a Soothing! And it also would be very, very comfortable. Mainly though, the Inventions need to attract Invention's attention, and it is dependent on what the Inventor was trying to do. A chair may attract Invention's attention, but it would have to be different in a significant way from other chairs and do something very novel. We are talking about mad science and perception. They couldn't lash others, but I don't see their hair spinning like a rotor. If their invention can fly, they can fly - and Gravitation is flight in the way that all movement through the air with the ability to control how long one remains aloft is flight. Submarines may not swim, but a plane does fly, and a Windrunner can move themselves remain motionless in the air, or travel in any direction they choose. There is little difference between a Windrunner using Gravitation and Superman willing himself to travel through the air. ... YES There are several ways of thinking of telepathy, and one is that of broadcast telepathy, of producing a signal everyone else around you can hear but not being able to hear their thoughts. Like Memorial on Star Trek Voyager, or in a singular case one could argue the Inner Light on Star Trek the Next Generation, with Picard having an entire life - which he lived - beamed into his mind over the course of a few minutes. This came up in the thread before, but basically Valour feels very similar to Honour to me, which is why in this thread we looked at Valour more as a Norse style warrior focus rather than a knightly one, but either way the idea isn't around swearing oaths or improving the bond but rather the spren hanging around you is because of how you conduct yourself in a specific type of situation, rather than requiring constant actions. The spren, as with Surgebinding, unless the spren is actually a form of Avatar for a combination of Valour and Mercy, in which case it is an projection of them showing you favour, and so each spren is actually the same being. The bond only breaks if someone feels fear and chooses not to at least try to fight it, or sees someone begging for mercy who clearly needs it, and refuses. No, the bond is entirely in the power of the spren. It isn't meshing its soul with yours like in Surgebinding, but rather actively projecting power into you, and then it chooses to either continue or to stop. That would make sense. I wonder if it ties to Lightweaver memory capabilities. The spren contains a copy of the portion of the cognitive component of the person who wrote it, so they understand it to the same extent the person writing it did. The spren literally contains a copy of a small part of the person who wrote the words. It relates to long term and short term memory. Anything in short term memory will produce a small connection, but not enough to form a bond. Once it becomes long term memory - even if it gets harder to access - the bond forms, but its strength weakens the less the person is able to quickly and accurately recall it, though if the memory is completely gone the bond is gone. The bond isn't a scaler, but a vector - so someone who remembers the words but doesn't understand them has a strong bond but can't make much use of it, while someone who can barely remember the words but understands the meaning will have a weaker bond, but can make much greater use of it - think of how Kenton could only control one ribbon of sand, but could use it to greater effect than other Sand Masters. Yes, it is very risky, though there is a natural resistance of trying to store those particular memories, as it is like trying to fit the frame of a door through the door itself - the bond is facilitated by those memories, so trying to push them into it actively interferes with the storing of the memories. There are some memories that may be important to give full context and understanding to the memories that link to the spren, but if they go in then the bond remains strong but is harder to use, as mentioned in the previous paragraph. The power source is ambient Investiture in the Cognitive Realm that pools in the souls of those who lead and those who follow - it is polarised, though a Sergeant would have both for example, as they both lead and follow. It is based on perception, so if the soldier thinks this is the order they were given, and the commander doesn't know they aren't doing what he wants, the power will still flow. It goes from the commander to merge with the power in their souls, and this empowers them. Once done they have to wait a while for the Investiture to return. If they truly think they can do it, and if the soldiers believe in their commander enough, they may fly, though that depends on if, to obey the commander before to follow another, more manageable command, they fly. So if they know they can fly to achieve an order their commander gave before, they will fly if he tells them to again. It scales to the difficulty of the situation. Telling soldiers to attack the others - especially if you have the advantage - doesn't evoke valour, and the power also isn't always present, it depends on how much Investiture is in the environment and pooling in their souls. When you see the enemy soldiers suddenly displaying this power it usually is because your side had the advantage, so when you tell your soldiers to stop them they may gain some power - as they are now facing a more powerful opponent - but they won't gain as much as the enemy who was at a disadvantage before. And again, gaining power may not be enough to achieve the goal anyway, so you have to be at a disadvantage to gain the power, and even then you may not be able to overcome it. It depends on how much power pooled and how much is being expended. A long battle would have given a lot of time for power to pool, but a difficult order will use it more quickly. In this case no, the colour is more about drawing in more ambient power to the location (incoming joke) "Oh yeah?!? While your FACE is-!" "... oh." It's cool i appreciate the questions. Your first few were a little off putting, but the rest was mostly fine, and a lot of those were very good questions. I enjoyed engaging with you I look forwards to your responses to these.

The powers are implied to be due to the Dawnshards, so it likely wasn't Cultivation, at least at first. I think she may have stepped in after the disaster, but not before. Unkeyed may actually be the most natural form of Investiture, as it would be Investiture most likely like the Power originally had before being shattered - it may be unnatural now, but it likely was the most natural form originally. Either way, I'm not sure why it would need to be natural? That likely ties then to the pressure the Shard exerts, the Vessel becoming less able to resist, the more "natural" or straightforwards version of the Shard becoming the default over time. In either case we can assume Vin, if she held the Shard long enough, likely would also become focused on keeping the wheel at the speed it currently is going at, which would mean removing the energy from the wheel that is being added to it to prevent it from speeding up, as acceleration requires a force.

Well, if this the theory is right then the Stormfather's character growth will certainly be a key part - nice catch Thanks It certainly could go either way, though I'm hoping we get a slightly bittersweet ending, as it can't just end on a down note or fans will demand the sequel series immediately. Maybe we can still get both. You mean like ... Mistborn: Hero of Ages spoilers:

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Hmmm ... we know Honour's death has loosened the restructions on Surgebinding, but I think some of it could also have been what Ishar did to force them into orders. Perhaps Ishar bound them more to Honour, and thus reduced their natural power, though it raises the question of who had the greater impact, or if Honour acted via Ishar. Either way I agree that with Honour dead, Surgebinding and the Knights likely can achieve more than before.

Ahhh, thanks I agree Invention wouldn't be the best for memory, but a mind based Shard could make sense, as there are already memory functions in Feruchemy, Surgebinding (Lightweavers), and Awakening, so a system where something is put in the mind and then leaves when used would fit.

Ahhh, nice, the axis mundi of the world, like how the Greeks say Mount Olympus, a place the culture or culture's know is sacred, and which actually has spirits waiting there. Oh, sweet! A bit like how a spren becomes a Shardblade, but rather than an abstract concept this is an actual cultural hero actually takes possession of the weapon, becoming it. Your sword actually has the soul of this hero your people know, who died in battle, and has deemed you worthy to wield him in combat, to lend you his strength. Nice - there are multiple routes one could take to engage with the power, and one is actually getting one of the local deities to help you, like the patronage some heroes gained in several classical myths. And again tying in a potential Odin analogy, the sacrifice of a limb or suffering a wound to gain what you need. Oh yes! And during battles they could function almost like valkyries, being of both Valour and Mercy, having mercy on the valorous who die, so that not everyone becomes a shade automatically, but rather when one of them helps - those dying but not yet dead taken by them. Or those who die outright become one type and those who survive but are dying become another. And those who are cowards are simply eased into death. It certainly has a lot of storytelling potential

Thanks That does make sense. Something that had bothered me when the knights were first forming was the issue of the humans effectively becoming spren, rigid and inflexible. I think it more likely now is that they are each taking on the best properties of the other, and the best forms of an ideal are those that have nuance, that it isn't so straightforwards, and the fourth ideal as understanding this is a key element. Your description of the fourth oath for Bondsmiths makes sense Thanks! I think, if he does possess Gavinor, that actually would help in the creepy factor - you have the added element of how monsterous and amoral Gavilar is, the combination of the life Dalinar may have to kill being both his brother and his grand-nephew, and the eeriness of a little child acting like a grown man. That could work too, possessing a Singer, though it may not have the same depth of a punch as seeing a beloved child suddenly overwhelmed by someone you used to love. A random Singer taken over is the same horror they face with the Fused, but somewhat deadened as they are used to Singers being taken over. But a child you love, possessed by someone else you loved, and in that seeing the depth of evil in their soul ...

So, Towerlight is the light of science, of Honour and Cultivation combined. One could say Towerlight is Science, and Navani calls its sound the song of science. When Navani and the Sibling made Towerlight, they use it to blind Moash. ... So, she literally "Blinded him with science". (I'msosorry)

So SFDebris is one of my favourite reviewers - I enjoy his wide range of reviews, from films, TV series, and even some books. I don't agree with all his points, but he is very insightful, and very entertaining. https://sfdebris.com/index.php Of the things he's made, though, my two favourites are probably his review of the Rise and Fall of the Comic Empire, though I'm not that into comics myself, and BushidoBots. BushidoBots is one of his original works of fiction, which ties into the topic of comics and of science fiction as legitimate art. The four videos together, in the form of audio narration, are the story of a comic book writer who, at a convention to honour his work, a work he himself secretly despises, he finds his efforts and the avenues of "legitimate", literary writing that he's been trying to pursue are being stymied, and he's put face to face with the value and joy his genre work has added to others' lives, and made to truly consider and question his own attitude towards his work of "shilling plastic". You can find the videos in the links below. [Edit: Quick note, there is moderately strong language at a few points, just be aware.] Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8_B0cHd-aU Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpSo2OBCc4 Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akqrmCaQ1kU Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxGJ_dzAgvA I really enjoy these videos, and I think it's a shame they don't have many views on YouTube. If you give them a look maybe check out some more of his stuff, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, as it reminds me of something Brandon said about the snobs who look down on genre work. Anyhow, take care

This is something I've become more and more sure of since I read this idea in @Jofwu's thread about how Gavilar could be the champion of Odium. It would be because the book would feature and be about FOUR Bondsmiths. Dalinar - bonded to the Stormfather Navani - bonded to the Sibling Ishar - bonded to the Bondsmith Honourblade Gavilar - bonded to the Stormfather What, were there two Stormfather bonds in that list? Yes. I will be brief. Here are some important facts: Fact one: Dalinar swore he would always give way to Gavilar. From Oathbringer Chapter 26: Blackthorn Unleashed Fact two: Gavilar was the one who originally began to bond the Stormfather, but never fully reached it: Fact three: the contest is more likely to be spiritual rather than physical - and involve the nature of being a Bondsmith. From Rhythm of War Chapter 99: Not Bound Bondsmiths are about uniting mankind, and about the heart of men. And the state of Dalinar's heart is of utmost importance throughout the Stormlight Archives. We know Kaladin and Szeth are going to go on a wacky buddy-cop road trip to visit Ishar, Herald of Luck and wielder of the Honourblade of the Bondsmiths. We know Shallan will be dealing with the captured Ba-Ado-Mishaim, who was imprisoned by a Bondsmith and likewise is an Unmade with the power to connect herself to an entire people. We know Navani and the Sibling will be interacting, and we know Dalinar, the Bondsmith of the Stormfather, will be involved in the contest of champions. We don't know what Venli will be doing, but it may perhaps involve the Nightwatcher, or we may see more of the Nightwatcher from Taravangian's perspective, especially if he talks with Cultivation about when she gave him the boon and the bane, and how it normally works when the Nightwatcher is the one doing it. We have a lot of Bondsmiths here, and Bondsmith related elements. But I think there is one more. To summarise this theory again, which builds off of @Jofwu's one linked above, I think the following is going to happen: Gavilar is a cognitive shadow Gavilar is going to possess Gavinor, and announce who he is to Dalinar and Navani and possibly Jasnah (child champion theory) Gavilar, who Dalinar swore to obey, who he swore he would always give primacy to, is going to claim the Stormfather as his, both by the Stormfather having chosen him first, and by Dalinar always yielding to him Dalinar and/or the Stormfather is going to feel that, however wrong it is, the oaths that he made, even though it was a private one, is still binding, and that he can't break his word. He has to yield his will to another. Does this remind anyone else of a certain Assassin in White? The same assassin who killed Gavilar. There is likely going to be a period where Gavilar - in Gavinor's body - is interacting with some or all of the characters who had flashbacks featuring him, or referencing those events. This will likely including talking to Navani, and the question raised if she still is his wife or not - she will definitely tell him where to put his "marriage" to her, though Dalinar may feel deeply troubled, especially as he swore to let Gavilar have Navani. He may also interact with Jasnah and others, all of which are going to point out his hypocrasy, his theft of his grandson's life, but Gavilar will shrug them all off - they just don't understand, the ends justify the means! (Which is definitely NOT an honourable attitude) The day arrived. At the top of Urithiru, Gavilar/Gavinor, who has slowly been leeching Dalinar's bond to the Stormfather, is going to claim almost all of it, is going to pull an Ishar to declare himself Honours representative - the "true" man of Honour, who laboured to unit the world, to bring glory to Alethkar (yeah, that turned out well), who had all these plans to undermine Odium (who he happens to be serving now), and will lead ... surely everyone can see that he should be the Bondsmith, not his poor, wretched, near-animal of a brother, whatever Dalinar may see himself as now? Throughout this the Stormfather's growing understanding of humanity, and human relations to oaths, will factor in, as he comes to accept that Dalinar should not be bound to serve his brother And then the twist happens, and Dalinar takes back the bond, and accepts that some old oaths are not as binding as they believe, that sometimes "a hypocrite is a man who is in the process of changing", and that former oaths needed to begin one's change need not be what leads them further when they become a burden rather than an aid. And he is going to rip Gavilar from Gavinor's body, and cast him out. The man with the greatest bond to Honour isn't the Pharisee raising his eyes to Heaven in expectation of received glory for his own righteousness, but the lowly tax collector who beats his breast and asked for forgiveness, to be put right with those who he has wronged, and is forgiven. It is the man who acknowledges his failings and strives to be better who is the true Bondsmith. I realise this isn't much of a theory, but I would like to hear your thoughts have a great day or afternoon or evening or night!

Nevertheless Ashyn doesn't have a Shard, and so is closer to or the same as the non-Shard magic systems in the Cosmere. We know Shards can meddle on worlds that don't directly have Shards, so Cultivation's influence doesn't make Ashyn's diseases full systems. It isn't about "people" with magic, but nature with magic that the people can interact with. From Arcanum: I would classify the symbiotic bonds the diseases grant to be more in line with the Aviar's worms than with Metalborn, Surgebinders, or even Awakeners or Sandmasters, especially as it is temprary and something your body tries to fight off. The LIFE on the planet has magic, and the people can interact and intercept it, but it is always temporary. In a recent Q&A Brandon mentioned how a soulstamp could turn someone into a Mistborn if they previously had the opportunity to have ingested Lerasium, and if they had access to unkeyed Dor, implying that the Dor, the combination of Dominion and Devotion, can be unkeyed from them. I believe it was in this video: We also know that Stormlight and Voidlight can be disassociated and turned into anti-investiture, and removing the keying from Stormlight is one of the Ghostblood's goals. Unkeying is to make the investiture "neutral", and in theory usable by anyone or any Shard. It isn't about how much they can access but about how much "they have on them", like when Brandon noted about Autonomy being able to sense the pool of power that was on First of the Sun and then meddle with it, becoming aware of something you had always known, etc. so sensing something in the Physical Realm that was a part of them but which previously they couldn't access. We don't fully know the mechanics involved, but there seems to be both infinite power available, but not all at once. The key question is how much investiture is in the Spiritual Realm. I understand that, but you can also argue that Feruchemy is preserving a trait that otherwise would be subject to Ruin. A coppermind holds memories perfectly that would fade in the mind, and only degrade when accessed. Allomancy meanwhile actively ruins a piece of metal. We also don't know enough about Feruchemy to know when someone becomes a Feruchemist. If you give a baby from Feruchemist parents a metalmind, could they use it immediately, only after they are told what they could do, or after some event? There isn't enough information. If Preservation saw a wheel that was slowly speeding up, would it let it continue to speed up, actively help it speed up, stop it from speeding up and thus to go at whatever speed it currently is going at, or try to stop it? We know Ruin would likely either stop it or make it speed up to the point it destroys itself, and if it couldn't be destroyed by its own speed then definitely slowing it down, but what would Preservation do, for a destructible or indestructible wheel?