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I'm having difficulty getting images to insert into the text. Please see the attachments. @RShara I don't think I have been as clear as I could be, I'm afraid. I apologise if I've been confusing the issue. I have attached a few images to help better illustrate what I mean and why I think it is the case. The following four figures demonstrate: Figure 1: Cognitive Realm and Shadesmar As others have shown, Shadesmar maps onto the star map. In Shadesmar, moving to the north west moves you to Sel. But the planet is rotating, the stars are moving. How can Sel or Scadrial or any other planet in the Cognitive realm maintain a fixed relationship if the planets themselves turn and face different directions, when for example the star that Taldain orbits is in the west-south-west at night, but by morning is facing east-north-east? And what of Braize and Ashyn, the three moons, the star? We have been told that the gas giants have a minor presence, but they are present. What does it mean, though, that they have a minor presence? Are they an area someone can stand, or are they a bead, or is there even a meaningful distinction between land and bead? Water and presumably air become one material, a material that connects the planets. Perception shapes Shadesmar, and the Cognitive realm is a sea that underlies the planets and in part composes them. If people started thinking of the gas giants as a locations, would they grow if they are beads, or become larger if solid? What of the moons? Are they areas one can walk to, possibly to one by one Nexus, another by another? Distance is contracted, but not removed. But what of direction? Is the Cognitive realm really flat? Maybe it is a large sphere with its centre on Yolen. But most importantly, the relationship to the other planets has to be shaped by perception, because the stars are almost certainly not next to it. Figure 2: Grid of Stars I know I should be using spherical coordinates, but as we don't know the angle this image covers of the sky, and for a sufficiently small angle, or sufficiently far away, I think Cartesian coordinates should still be effective. The image outlines the grid-locations of the stars, relative to Scadrial, when looked at from the area where the night sky would be seen by the people or artist who did the drawing. I have labelled the x and y axes, and as I have said I have made Scadrial the origin. Right and up on the axes are increasing the count, left and down decreasing. I have also, as you will see, assumed certain z values for the named star systems. I have made Taldain's star and Roshar's and First of the Sun's sun are very close to the observer (positive z values) because they are very bright but don't overshadow the other stars, and can be assumed to be fairly far away from the system where the chart was drawn from - their sizes based on how they are drawn in the system diagrams. Threnody's star is small and red, so to be seen it must be closer (negative z values) and so forth. The values are arbitrary, but I hope you will agree they are reasonable. And they have been chosen to illustrate a point. Removing the art and leaving the grid shows the next Figure. Figure 3: XY Without the artwork, and seen from the drawings perspective, the stars take up a small corner, and Roshar seems to be the hub of several, while First of the Sun is alone and to its side. If they are all approximately the same distance to the observer, laying on a large sphere, this will accurately describe their locations relative to one another. But what if the z values are accurate? Figure 4: ZY Sel and Nalthis has swapped places, as have Scadrial and Taldain, relative to Roshar. First of the Sun is now closer to Roshar, etc. These differences, and similar ones, persist for the ZX axes. So unless the observers had a privileged position, that they can see perpendicular to the plane that those five lie on, the path between planets must be determined by belief, otherwise in three dimensions the mappings would be arbitrary. @Weltall I think it is possible the moons where moved there, or their unstable nature is due to the shards. Their orbits are unstable, and it wouldn't make sense for them to be placed in that configuration and then have remained in it unless the planet is relatively recent. How long ago relative to the events on Yolen, basically, determines if they are natural or placed there after. They are significant, as Brandon worked out how long it would take a Windrunner to reach them, along with the other planets in the Rosharan system. The system might have been made, but if the shards came on moons, for example, the system would still have been made before, but the moons would be new. With spren, I'm note entirely convinced though, as some of the spren on Braize are cognitive shadows as well, so what makes the distinction other than cognitive shadows having a prior history and having a formerly physical existence? I agree, but my main thrust is that the planet was doomed, Ruin and Preservation could be matched but the planet would be destroyed without Preservation being able to gain an upper hand. I am assuming that once the humans on the planet were gone it would take about the same amount of time for their investiture to return to Preservation as it would Ruins investiture, assuming Ruin had stopped the process that caused the pits to maintain their hold on its intestiture - not just Kelsier stopping them. So when the planet was gone, Ruin just has to wait, or go find more elsewhere, and Ruin did state time was of little concern - the investiture would return, though I do wonder how Ruin would have absorbed Atium back. I suspect you are right, but I still would be curious how long it would take before hemalurgy stopped. And the inquisitors needed hemalurgy, so why make Marsh immortal with allomantic and feruchemical power to regain age if hemalurgy would be destroyed when the planet was destroyed, or century later, as hemalurgy requires Scadrial. I don't want to go too into detail on this at the moment, as I want to do a more detailed version, but I don't think that the powers remain unchanged when applied. I agree that it is a thing with the amount of power, but is being twice as good at pushing really enough to make you see the lines? Zane had a spike and he couldn't, and Marsh had two spikes, together giving him the same amount as Zane, but he could see with Iron. I don't think that applies, as Brandon said, one spike one power. I mean what if you had one spike with the same power but it held a greater charge from killing someone, not using Atium to gain two powers in one spike. Thats more for the welding of two spikes. I do know Brandon has spoken on this, particularly with regards to a World War 2 event when a Nobel medal was dissolved and restored. I was thinking along what else could be done. There might be more going on though. The Nexuses look like the expanses, and they go straight up. I think they are connections, especially given the name Transition. That I didn't know. Thanks :-) I did think it was interesting though :-P I think it would though, as the thing about Breath is making something alive, and the closer it matches something alive the less Breath it takes. I mainly think that life is the focus of Awakening, but that is assuming focuses are the same idea on other planets. Thanks :-) though I was interested as someone said that Breath can't be taken with hemalurgy, so I was wondering if it was attached to the body. I think I missed a few of yours. I'll recheck in a bit and post an update. I haven't finished with the theories and observations and questions yet, but I stopped because I was getting confused with trying to fit them all in. I have hardly touched Sel and Nalthis, I haven't given details on what I think the remaining Mistborn stories will involve in part, etc. This isn't just about asking questions. I want to suggest the community certain things I don't think have been covered yet, like the possibility of how Stormlight could differ from Mistborn in ten people taking up a shard together, and Aethers can be used for space travel, etc. I am glad you want to answer the questions, and deeply gratified that you want to inform me of things that I have missed. I think that it is important to note that questions that I have asked, and that another has asked and Brandon has declined answering, still count as questions, and all the more significant because he is avoiding them, either because he hasn't given it much thought, he wants to finalise something before committing, or he wants to avoid spoilers like what is going to happen in later stories. I thank you for answering my questions. Can we also discuss the idea that Axi are atoms? :-) [Edit: Rearranged images, corrected grammatical errors which had previously changed the meaning of two sentences to the exact opposite of what they where meant to mean, and corrected the direction when referencing Sel. If I do a post about the cognitive realm structure I aim to also correct the error in the images with the double axes indications, but that is irrelevant to the current edit ... and saying that is also irrelevant to the current edit.]

@Naurock As @Weltall mentioned, he could grow Amberite to replace his arm, though it wouldn't be as functional in general. I mentioned it because I thought that was actually where Brandon intended to take it, as the two lines are compatible, Bestarin replaces lost limbs (at least, I think it is for replacing lost limbs and not just changing healthy ones), and Darro loosing his limb makes me think it was being set up that way. But yeah, I agree he could use Amberite instead, though he could also do both ;-)

@RShara I have read some of those, but not all. On the properties of the planets: This was addressed in part by Isaac, but doesn't cover the main point: Do the planets have the properties that they do BECAUSE the people who made the art thought of them and those stars as having those properties, or do the people who made the art think of the planets as having those properties BECAUSE those planets have those properties, and their beliefs were shaped by reality? On the relationships between them: That is also by Isaac, but doesn't address the point. The people who drew the art did so from an unknown location, possibly from a planet that humans settled after the shattering, possibly before, and possibly from Yolen. But if they drew the art, and believed those stars and planets were near to one another, would that mean that when those planets were settled they would be closer together in the cognitive realm? I.e., if people believed that there planet was round, and that you can get to the west coast by travelling far enough east, would the cognitive realm warp? If the population of two planets thought the other was closer to them than another, would the two planets be closer in the cognitive realm? Did the chart itself define the relative locations of planets in the cognitive realm because the people who drew it saw the stars near to one another and so believed they were? On spren holding a shard: That actually doesn't answer the question, as the question you posted points out that Kelsier, as a cognitive shadow and thus like a spren, making use of a device, was able to hold a shard, so Brandon stating the question wasn't fully on the right lines means the question is still not clear. What would prevent them from doing so? The lack of a physical body? The main reason I list this though, is because I am curious if Nightblood could take a shard. @DracostarA The letter implies that two planets are under discussion though - the writers say that they are surprised Hoid knew where to send the letter, and that they thought it well hidden and considered unimportant. They mention Obrodai, saying that he mustn't go there. The letter then says to come to where the writers are, and face the challenges. I think that Hoid sent a letter to First of the Sun, that the reply was written there, and that Obrodai is a seperate location, one that Hoid is told to leave alone. So come to First of the Sun and see if Hoid can survive, but leave Obrodai alone.

That makes sense, though it is interesting that the planet was locked down after it was placed where it currently is located, so even before restricting travel it was tidally locked and placed between the two stars

@RShara Maybe they aren't yes or no questions, but they are possibilities that are either "yes, that is plausable", or "no, that wouldn't work." :-P It does beg the question though, of why would the planet be placed there? Is it a case of develop to the point you can leave before you die, become autonomous of this planet, or you will remain here, and be dependent on my keeping this planet in its state Did the planet get moved there before or after humans settled? Also, with the tree, it is isolationism, being in one place, but branching out to other areas, and maybe cutting off the light or growth off others

@RShara So ... does that mean maybe yes to those points? :-)

@Weltall Indeed! Though just to clarify on what I meant by Sel having two names, on the system artwork it is also listed as Seol, which contains an Aon :-) Lets hope Nightblood answers that question! And I like the idea of Preservation and Ruin being related to the Aethers! It might also make things interesting if each magic system has some elements of other shards present which lets them modify them

Indeed! I imagine it would also be one of the major things to jump out at anyone looking at a Lightweaver ;-) Also, I didn't mean to that extent, just as a simple blast like a hand held laser While I appreciate the correction it comes across as slightly rude, and colder than you probably intended, and doesn't really add much other than pointing out I have difficulty spelling the place names :-P

[This topic is still being updated - I hope everyone has a great day!] Hi guys, I hope everyone is having a good day. This is a summary of several theories, observations, and questions I have had while reading Brandon's Cosmere stories. This post is set up as follows: Please note that, in order to keep with the topic restrictions, theories and observations and questions for White Sand, Aether of Night, and Dragonsteel are in separate topics in their respective subforums, linked both to this main topic and from this main topic. Each of those topics is in a sense simply the corresponding sections of this topic moved to its own seperate area. At present the Dragonsteel section is down but may be back. I include a brief explanation as to why I have the theories and observations, but I won't post links to quotes and such initially - if anyone would like to know further on the reasons for certain theories I will elaborate, but the size of this post means that to keep it readable I will be sparing on detail. If you are interested in further elaboration I would be able to post an expansion on any of these theories and observations and questions with links to explain the reasons behind them, and would then add a link to thsi post to allow those interested to find the new topic explaining further. I pray God blesses and guides you! http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/69077-oball-series-spoilersunpublished-works-mistborn-especially-era-4-and-conflux/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/69136-the-traveller-and-the-letters/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/69137-dual-splinter-core-with-128kb-of-copper-access-memory/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/69220-shard-metal-alloys/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/70225-a-cool-breeze-passed-through-the-room-while-ash-fell-from-the-sky/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/70795-obsecret-history-taln/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/73347-illegal-feruchemy/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/74308-spheres-and-mist/ Ambitions corpse is present at the location of Silverlight. It would be odd that Khriss didn't mention this in the essay for Threnody, but the name Silverlight, and the implications that it is an ambitious project that people from multiple worlds are present at might indicate that it is present. Ambition is associated with silver Ambition's corpse is Silverlight Fighter, Mage, Thief (and Cleric) Surge powers, the essences, and unique Order combinations Lightweaving powers - lasers and radio Lerasium, when alloyed with another shard metal, would allow the allomancer to use that metal. Lerasium allows access to the power of other shards http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/78164-each-order-gains-plate-slightly-differently-but-with-similar-principles/ Cosmere undead Shard vessels - spren, knights, several people, and (fictional takes on) multiple personality disorder The Knights might have to learn to Voidbind Trell is a part of Autonomy actively collecting power from other shards and intends to overthrow them, including the other parts of Autonomy Trell is an intent-corrupted, rogue part of Autonomy identity and connection (soulcas) links Original format of the post - kept for posterity Edits list

Link to main topic: [OB][All Series Spoilers][Unpublished works] Interlinked theories - Cosmere This is a brief summary of my theories and observations and questions for White Sand. This is one of three subtopics of a larger post in the subforum Cosmere Theories (as of this it has not yet been posted) Also, please note that the main topic will contain Oathbringer spoilers, so please don't visit it unless you have already read Oathbringer or want to have certain parts spoiled. This topic will not contain any Oathbringer spoilers. Due to this, some parts of the topic will be contained in the main topic, but in a tangential manner. Taldain / White Sand

I really enjoyed reading this, @MasterGhandalf, and I look forwards to the next installment, and I hope that this eventually is a book that is sold in stores :-)

Link to main topic: [OB][All Series Spoilers][Unpublished works] Interlinked theories - Cosmere This is a brief summary of my theories and observations and questions for Aether of Night. This is one of three subtopics of a larger post in the subforum Cosmere Theories (as of this it has not yet been posted). Also, please note that the main topic will contain Oathbringer spoilers, so please don't visit it unless you have already read Oathbringer or want to have certain parts spoiled. This topic will not contain any Oathbringer spoilers. Due to this, some parts of the topic will be contained in the main topic, but in a tangential manner. Vax and [Redacted] / Aether of Night

Someone already tried that :-P I'm far too awake, my senses heightening to any attempt such as that! All these attempts, really, threaten to make me rather grey.

Well, aside from the holes in a few of the members - located stomach and throat area, I think :-P - I've been keeping an eye on the bakery. I know they say iron is healthy for you - makes you strong, they say, or maybe makes someone else strong ... - but I don't think that much and in that solid a form is health. Also, those chocolate chips look a little more like flakes of zinc, and I must say I felt quite emotional about that!

To quote a common phrase from a well liked game - "Nah-ah! You missed" :-P Thanks again for the welcome guys :-D I hope however this all goes it will be a boon

Indeed :-P I must say, your comment nearly took my breath away! I like them too :-) Lift is a great character, and I like the hints about her backstory. Those two and a certain sword have an excellent dynamic

Wait a second ... are you trying to pull one over on me? Don't make me use colourful language ;-) My favourite is probably Shai and Dalinar - Shai because of her passion and the dynamic she shares with Gaotona, and Dalinar because he was a monster who took a better path.

Thanks guys :-) My favourite originally was Final Empire - Well had the best plot twist, and Hero had some of the most interesting scenes, but Empire I felt had the best flow, the villain the most threatening yet also the most human, and the way the world was presented. Bands, however, I think is the best now. Cool adventure, interesting expansion to the current setting, and the most potential expansion on what will happen. I like Oathbringer a lot, and I think stormlight is going to be the best series until space opera mistborn, but I still think Bands is better told as a story.

Hi guys. I hope everyone is well. I've been reading this forum for a long time, and have recently decided to join up in order to post and message on certain topics, though I don't know how frequently. I do have a few suspicions a few things which might happen in future stories, and intend to make a topic about that later which will be rather expansive, but should hopefully illustrate what I think might happen in future Mistborn, Stormlight, and other linked Cosmere stories, such as (and I'm assuming this doesn't count as a spoiler) the significance that all major planets - except for the possible exception of Yolen - have more than one shard, and the possibility of combining allomancy, feruchemy, and hemalurgy to construct cybernetic implants with wireless attribute transmitting. Oh, and yes, I know to avoid the cookies :-P Also I belong to God, and souls are not immortal, so Rubix has no claim on mine. My soul and spirit are The LORD's and no-one elses. I hope everyone has a good day or night or evening, and may your week go well! God bless and guide you.