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I guess that could happen seems unlikely would end with them rejecting Odium to me though, its a bit cliché, id actually be disappointed if thats what happened, How long is the gap between when we get book 5 and 6 ? Hes writing mistborn inbetween right ?

Ya i guess that might happen, but to take care of the fused, wouldnt the KR have to take care of Odium though ? Since he has a vast supply of parshmen to convert ? Id actually find the defeat and cliffhanger a good idea lol

@RShara I also see it that book 1-5 is one series, and book 6-10 is another series, but from what iv seen said there both part of one story, its not like mistborn era 1 and era 2 completly seperate. So makes sense to me that Odium "wins" the first arc, and "loses" the second arc, if the KR win the first arc, they hardly beat Odium again in second arc, thats repetitive, So unless someone else (rayse) fills the void a defeated Odium leaves i dont see how the second "series" works if the KR "win" Thats why i see it that the KR suffer a devastating defeat, but theres a ray of hope etc given its the midpoint in the story,

Technically its only the half way point in the series though, while 1-5 is one arc and 6-10 another arc there both really half the story each right ? If 1-5 ends with odium defeated in one manor or other then book 6-10 deals with his return, isn't that arc repetitive ? Thats why i think book 5 ends with an odium victory, its half way point in the story, good time for a cliffhanger. And makes the arcs more distinct rather then similiar,

@Draigon ah ok thanks i thought they were bound to roshar as long as the shard was.

Spren can't leave roshar though, right ? So we really sure hoid was bonding it ?

Admittedly i haven't read all nine pages of this thread, but as @Carla Bridge Four pointed out seems most likely Adolin will have a different type of bond to the regular KR. Adolin being in Shadesmer, maya going through the perpendicularity, to me this doesn't point to maye becoming fully alive but just more alive then she was. An argument could be made for Adolin joining a number of KR orders, yet he has not attracted a spren from any, most likely reason is that he is a "nearly" KR character, what i mean by that is he exemplifies some traits from numerous orders (but in a narrow way not broadly like a KR would) but doesn't share the other traits associated with those same orders. kind of like hes a pyramid shape fitting in the hole for a cone shape, horrible analogy sorry,

Personally i think book 5 ends with a resounding defeat for the KR, but shows why hope for the future because of something. Kaladin dies, Adolin dies, bridge 4 all die, navani dies, Szeth dies, Shallan/Jasnah/ Renarin/ Dalinar/ lift survive. Odium conquers Uirthru (mispelt sorry) Time gap is to allow time for odium to assert full control, begin destroying roshar, and meanwhile there's a resistance built by the survivors working in the shadows to undermine Odium, finding new KR etc, Book 6-10 is the surviving old KR and new KR trying to stop the complete destruction of Roshar, and finally defeat odium. Book 5 to me has to end with odium on top, to justify a big time skip, all new main character list etc Im probably wrong but seems wrong for the first 5 book arc to end with any type of victory for the KR,

@Inquisitor #5 I don't think dalinar was pruned, as you put it, an entire part of who he was, was taken away/ blocked, which is the only reason he is how he is in WoK, WoR, Its not like he was guided toward what he became, overcoming the parts of his past which troubled him, it was erased from his mind, completly, the nightwatcher changed him fundamentally, not slightly. There was no chance of Dalinar becoming who he is in WoK/WoR, without the nightwatcher, there was no chance of Dalinar bonding the stormfather with out the nightwatchers intervention, if i recall it was his brother originally being sent the visions by the stormfather as well, and the nightwatchers intervention actually made Dalinar into that person, he didnt become that person, he was moulded into to that person by outside forces. @hotrod71nova thanks for that, i actually think there's more people out there who found the book fell flat then loved it at this point, i have also read all brandons other books set within the cosmere, and like you i thought WoK and WoR were great, but i agree that baring maybe Elantris which wasn't that good, OB is definetly his weakest book imo. Book is just too big and too little happens.

Dalinar - Stephen Lang Jasnah - Jamie Alexander Shallan - Saoirse Ronan Sadeas - Aidan Gillen Adolin - Garrett Hedlund Szeth - Gustaf Skarsgård Kaladin - Alex Høgh Teft - Manu Bennett Those are my picks anyway.

To me Szeth swearing to dalinar just didnt make sense, i don't personnally think the reason you gave there is a stong enough reason for Szeth to swear to dalinar, but i guess its pretty subjective. @Inquisitor #5 from what we see of Dalinar in the flash backs its clearly evident in my opinion that there was no chance of Dalinar becoming who he is in WoK/WoR without the intervention of the nightwatcher, he was being groomed as odiums champion, the intervention of the nightwatcher changed Dalinar to the extent he was able to become a totally different person. The nightwatcher didn't just take his memories of his wife or rathalas, she surpressed everything about who he was, everything that made him, him, at that point was fundamentally changed, I don't assume being honourable is a prerequiste of becoming a radiant. Being honourable is however a prerequiste of bonding the stormfather, who Dalinar eventually bonds, this again wouldnt of happened only for the nightwatchers intervention. People don't know why he burned rathalas, Dalinar and Sadeas lied as to the reason for it, Kaladin should not be able to be ok with that given he is a windrunner and same applies for Szeth. He only became the man he is because of outside forces not through any personal growth as a person, thats why you can't excuse his past in my opinion. He is probably at this point the most underserving radiant we have because he is only a radiant because the nightwatcher changed who he was. Szeth - i just don't think it makes sense for him to swear to Dalinar, i don't think anything could make me see that as making sense at this point. In WoR, in book 2 i think it is, at the start of the chapters there is stanzas from the listeners songs which make it evident that humans were the voidbringers in my opinion, @ParadoxicalZen i don't think kaladin should be the main focus of the series, just that in OB he was more of a side note than anything else. @Rogueshar my main issue with OB was there was very little progression, for the length of the book nothing much happened, book could of been halved and same story told, for the size of the volume it was just disappointing in my opinion

Doesn't it say in the books that a high ranked darkeye family can marry into a low ranked lighteye one, and that there children cam be dark or light eyed ? Therefore its probably as simple as thats what happened in hesina's case no ? One light and one dark eyed parent and she just happened to be darkeyed.

@Fatling thanks for that

Sorry for putting this here but seemed the most appropriate place, why is there a one year time skip between books 3 and 4 has it been said ?

What i wish i seen? That is a hard question, because i found OB to have many shortcomings, but if i had to pick one thing id guess id go for consequences to Adolin killing Sadeas. Both internally with Adolin himself and externally with his family/Shallan/Kaladin/Alethi coalition etc, how that played out was a pretty disappointing aspect to OB. I realise there is more volumes in the SA, where this could be done, but given there is a 1 year time skip between OB and the next installment, i don't see how that could be picked up in future where it actually made sense and had a satisfactory conclusion.

Interesting post. I know you said you weren't saying this is when she began bonding ivory, i actually think it might be though. For some reason when i read that, i immediately thought of the exorcist, so my thought on it was the vorin church were trying to "cure her" of her seeming lunacy at bonding ivory, and this instance also led to her being a heretic. I have nothing to back this up, it was just a feeling i got when read it in book. I am probably completly wrong.

At this point i don't think it matters can probably lock this thread as most people seemed to of been scared off by now anyway haha, thanks to everyone for the upvotes (be they pitying ones or otherwise lol) Have a good weekend all

Ok i explained this in the actual thresad i think, and wasnt to that post specfically more your timing on it, the way in which your reply comes across at times (same with calderis) is dismissive, and like your talking down, also sometimes the lack of use of in my opinion, seems to me etc comes across as a round about, indirect way of saying, your opinion is wrong because x y z, Also the random swopping into a thread saying whatever it is and vanishing til repeat the process, adds to the sense of what i said above. I didnt even say anything bad yesterday and had chaos got defensive and i wouldnt say attack me but belittle me maybe ? but she/he tried to do somthing for no reason, in defense of someone who didnt need it when nothing was really said to begin with

Thats not what i said atal so im not sure how you can say that

Ok for starters, someone disagreeing is fine, twice in this post i changed from my original post to agree with what someone else said. So you missed the point. Secondly, if someone reads something different than i do it doesnt make my opinion wrong. And no one "showed" evidence hence why i said what i did earlier,

@Fourth Of The Night That is the portion you mean right ? The bit in between the brackets ? To me the imo was inferred and if you just mentioned that at the start i would of edited it to read imo at the end. To me it reads how i explained. I changed it there since read to you, and most likely others different to how was intended.

The very start at of that post starts with "i found" Everything that follows on from that falls under that. The example you mentioned there the obvious imo is inferred because of the reason above. The entire post is obviously my opinion since it starts with "i found" putting imo everywhere wasnt really required.

@The One Who Connects The point i was making, regards me always saying imo,in my opinion, it seems to me, and all over variations of that is if you look at the majority of the replies of those i mentioned only very seldomly do they use the same turn of phrase, now that makes what they say come across as a statement of fact not on opinion. Now maybe you don't see that, but its how it seems to me. If someone says something and the reply is well this this and that shows otherwise, thats not an differing opinion, thats someone saying in a round about indirect way, that your wrong. Again maybe you don't see it that way, maybe alot of people don't but its how i read it, and considering its said to me i think its how comes across to me which matters ? Its easy come along after the fact and link posts, in an attempt to make what i said seem like has no basis. I can link alot of posts as well but i dont feel the need,

The original post yes was a statement of opinion as you said without alot of justification, you are right, and yes i backed each one up throughout the post, why didnt i justify that opinion you mentioned specifically ? No one asked me to, I didnt just vanish and not justify my thoughts on it, so thats not the same as what i said atal If you read my post again i said " shouldnt make throw away coments without a willingness to at least back up your reasons, thoughts, feelings etc" which i at no point did, I don't care if someone doesnt agree with my opinion in the slightest, if you notice everything i say is ended with in my opinion, to me it seems, imo or some variation of that, because its just an opinion and i make that clear. For some reason what i said seems to of made you become very defensive, im not really sure why, but mayhaps its best to end the discussion there because i said something to caldris and stated why, and it wasnt even something bad yet people seem to of been upset by it.

@Chaos By cut under all i meant was, shouldnt make throw away coments without a willingness to at least back up your reasons, thoughts, feelings etc, otherwise it comes across like as i mentioned earlier that just justifying the authors choices because hes your favourite author. No one was being mean/nasty or any other such. @Mestiv I understand what your saying but in my opinion, i don't know maybe im old school, but if a person isnt willing to discuss things fully, back up there viewpoint etc then they shouldnt comment because at the end of the day a forum is for a discussion of whatever that forum is about, so making throw away comments kind of misses the point. Expecting someone to explain/justify why they are saying what they are saying is more of a given i would of thought. Since calderis and rshara "left the thread" be pointless to reply to there posts.