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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
It's been an interesting few hours and Lion.exe has stopped working. I'm going to place a vote on Hyena while I re-evaluate when I have the time. Rhino.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Same problem man. If a warform is killed by Mavset-im's special kill, we see a dead warform because it's an unblockable kill. No dead warform = no bodysnatch happened. In fact, this presents Mavset-im with a problem because the warform shortlist is so small. Either Mavset-im has been softing warform, or Mavset-im is in a bit of a pickle, because the moment we see someone who hasn't been voting and therefore shouldn't be a warform drop instantly dead and it says warform, we know something is wrong. Storms, as soon as a warform drops dead, we do know something is wrong if there hasn't been a prior kill or mislynch. Then we know one of the warforms is compromised.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Be honest, I'm so used to reading that as shorthand for "it's actually me TBH but I don't want to say." Given the amount of uncertainty surrounding Vulture, at least from various players, would a scholarform dare to claim? How would this be verified? Everyone and their dog in AG7 kept saying "It's not me but I know a Shard..." when it turned out to be them It's not the most convincing cover story. But also: Ahem. :eyes:- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Missing gems, based off current stash status: Y'all don't like art Y'all make me sad. Could be interesting if two players planned on going/grabbing mateform to get a perma-PM, potentially complicated by Falcon not having a partner. 5 workform gems were taken. Is everyone in this place suddenly bloody terrified of getting voted on or something?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
So working on the assumption you're Village, I think they could be prioritising taking out scholarforms. The warform and scholarform list is unfortunately very short, due to Village being allergic to posting and voting, apparently. I alluded to it last cycle when I said I knew of five out of the seven who didn't use gems N1 - that was on the mistaken read of Dragonfly's statement about her PM with you. But I do know four of the seven who didn't use gems N1, and one reason I was so adamant about people creating cover is that the fourth player created a PM with me which means I am dead certain - and they did claim to me - that they didn't successfully get a N1 gem. Unfortunately, this also helps me carve down the warform and scholarform lists further. Suppose the Elims have access to some pieces of info that allow them to cull the list further. Well, my hypothesis for the Dragonfly kill last cycle was precisely that - it's a stab in the dark meant to try to take out scholarforms. This would be especially true given the ability of scholarforms to create more mediationform or more warform, which can empower the Village a little more. I feel, defeasibly, with oh - maybe 0.6 credence, 0.7 max - that the fact they attacked Village!Rhino instead of going for a confirmed kill of a high-certainty Villager, well, several possibilities right? You're not Village!Rhino, just Bad Boi Rhino Dragonfly is Bad Killer Dragonfly They did a check, realised you were on the scholarform list, and decided to take a whack. Vulture is Bad Boi Vulture ...I'm Bad Boi Lion? Not my style though Cards on the table: the scholarform shortlist is really short, and again, I'm surprised they didn't just figure they'd get you mislynched, but it's possible they felt one or two other players who also meet the scholarform requirements were easier mislynch targets. For that matter, given Vulture claimed scholarform and he definitely meets the requirements, I'm surprised they didn't go for him, but maybe they were worried he was trying to bait a kill. I'm considering whether to just spell out the shortlists at this point, honestly. Part of me says - no, don't help the Elims, the other part points out that Elims aren't fools and the information is readily available in the thread so it's not like I'm not saying anything that's not already known. Sorry bro all I can tell you is it's not my Elim profile and I'm flummoxed by it too More seriously - again, my best hypothesis taking as an assumption you are Village is they seem to be trying for targeted role killing. As Vulture pointed out a few cycles ago, his preferred Elim play is control kill. I actually share that preference. Failing control kill, there's going for confirmed kills. This doesn't seem to be going on here - Dragonfly would've been a good control kill and confirmed kill (because she has already expended her passive life.) Alternatively, Weasel or Falcon could be good confirmed kills - low-info as well in Weasel's case. By confirmed kills, I mean that since there are no Lurchers in this game, all the Elim team has to do is to avoid possible Thugs to guarantee a kill. Because so few players have been voting regularly, it's easy to rule out and avoid the warforms. For instance, I'm a good confirmed kill as well, since it was known from D2 I didn't succeed in getting warform. N1 did look like a standard low-info kill to me but I honestly feel that there are only two ways to read their current targeting profile: Targeted, role kill: cf. scholarform candidates, or: Gambitry central. I feel it's not really the right time or place for a gambit, but at the same time, I'm notoriously anti-gambit so maybe it's a blindspot that I don't think the way this team apparently seems to want to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I feel that if I were an Elim, the strategic implications of trying to kill you would be nil, given the number of people who suggested suspicions of you, and given the fact you would've fallen into the warform gang just by being a regular voter. There's nothing to be gained from killing you, and some amount to be risked. I would have expected a Dragonfly kill, honestly. My suspicions of you were also largely centred around your voting patterns, and unlike Heron, I feel that the number of ostensible or known Villagers among those known to have failed to have gotten a gem D1 makes me less confident about baptising those who have successfully gotten a gem D1 as Villagers. I'm very happy to be wrong; it'd probably be a better scenario, really. It would also point at a different Elim team profile. But we're barely an hour into the cycle, and my vote's hardly going to kill you yet; you can live with it a while longer and shuffle squat with me I like this, and this makes me happier with you. In fact, since I was never really going to provide cover for warform/scholarform/mediationform anyway, let's go: My actions: D1: Attempt and fail to take a warform gem. N1: Create PM between me, Rhino, Ross, and Vulture D2: Take an artform gem N2: Use artform gem D3: Create PM between me and Dragonfly. N3: MAKE BEAUTIFUL ART.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Cheers, I'll let the vote sit where it is for a while though. Would like to hear from Scorpion and everyone I've helpfully tagged last Night with questions. Also Beagle! Tuatara! Where my people who promised to say more at?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Interesting. Plum Rhino. Funny thing is, Dragonfly claims you created a PM group with them, Scorpion, and Heron N1. You then claimed to create PMs N2 and N3. So when did you have the time to use the gem if the gem has to be used at night? 'Cause you know, if it's down to you and Dragonfly...- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Thoughts/reads at this current juncture: XGFPAOSEEIEIOBSXPHETYURTNMTSTLAFXDDQAWJATVVHCIWGSG Atticus stared out into the howling maw of the highstorm. Elrin had wept as she died. Henresh wept too, but Atticus thought there was anger there. He knew what vengeance tasted like. Dying, the king had said, is no matter, if one is avenged. A strange dream. A dark dream, that. Atticus grasped it, even now, like a brief candle-flame, flashes of a life that wasn't his. He was tempted to wonder if there was something wrong with the spren, but he knew that it wasn't that. He'd had the dark dreams since the Fused came, since they worked to feed the armies locked in war with the humans. Revenge. Atticus did not know what it felt like.LThere was a human in those dreams, shrouded in white mist, and filled with an evil Atticus had thought only voidbringers capable of. He hadn't wanted revenge, that human. He'd wanted - something else, something Atticus couldn't quite make out, before the dreams slipped away like smoke again. The evenings had been cold and wet, recently, and he'd hoped for a warm pipe by the fire. Maybe that was it. Vengeance. That was the only thing the humans seemed to know, after their king had died. But that was the Fused, wasn't it? Ancient spirits of their ancestors, howling with the need to fight a war that had never ended. The forever-war. Forever-wars didn't end well. Atticus knew that. He knelt in those dreams beside the staring body of a brother and wondered what he had done. Creator forgive them all.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
We'd know, though. At the moment, we have no idea of form disposition. We don't know if Elims are choosing to go for Village forms or drawing from their own stash. We do know that there has not been a sign of Stormform roleblocks, or someone would've sounded out - unless they hit someone who wasn't carrying out an action. There hasn't been a sign of decayform either, unless again, they hit someone who didn't have gemstones. Don't think a plan needs to be perfect, just to give us more information about what strategy the Elims are pursuing and what/who to look out for. If we have high actions accountability from tonight and still a kill, it's likely an indication that nimbleform did go into Elim hands.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Slightly d'oh moment for me as I hadn't intended to spell it out for the whole class. I really need to go back to using notes instead of thinking aloud in the thread. Sorry Scorp, Weasel. Scorp said they had gathered additional evidence that Weasel was not Evil or at least not Mavset-im. Weasel agreed that they largely exist behind the scenes, alluding to non-thread communication. How do you have definite proof that someone is not Mavset-im D2, with warform, scholarform, mateform, and one artform gem missing? There's no scans in this game, not on the Village side. Mavset-im's inability to talk in PMs only comes after Mavset-im body-snatches. Moreover, even were a scholar to give a gem, how would this happen D2? You are not told who gave you items, and any scholar must have used their gem N1. Anyone can claim warform - it's only proven upon an unsuccessful kill or lynch. The logical inference is that Scorp and Weasel both were in mateform and when the PM sprang up between them, since Mavset-im cannot take a form, Scorp inferred that Weasel cannot have started out as Mavset-im. There are four mateform gems missing, or I suppose, were, as of D2. So our four mateforms from that day have to be Scorp, Weasel, Penguin, and Falcon.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Yeah, I meant Mavset-im can't use a gem. I'm tired, it's late Rationale is to just get a better picture of the spread of night actions, and to promote some discussion, and I think that it is relatively harmless as a point of discussion since I am deliberately asking people to only answer 'Yes' if they received a night PM (I suppose they could also specify if it was a group PM), but to leave names out of it. In addition, claiming only if you received a PM still gives us a general picture of how many actions were flying around (asterisked since if Wyrm and Ren both claim to have received group PMs, we don't know if they received the same group PM, or not) but doesn't require players to claim if they themselves made one, which could potentially out Village scholarforms. Presumably, if you've successfully attained a form N1, you won't be spending your night action N2 on shifting form again. I would assume the exception would be our mateforms Scorp and Weasel, but even so. This means our Village pool is likely to be spending their action making PMs, because quite frankly, what else can you do? If you have successfully attained a form D2 but did not get a gemstone D1, you are likely to burn an action on it N2. Most people like having a role We want to generally have an idea of what players - Elim and Village - are doing. Having a fallible but vague idea of where actions are going is useful. If an overwhelming majority are creating Night PMs, then we know it is unlikely that Elims are leaning into their stash at the moment. I was the recipient of an N2 PM and it was a group PM.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
.................................................... Mr Steel, I really do not like that sea of green on the player list :/ To be fair, the landslide that hit Penguin should probably have been indicative, I guess. This gives us a v/v lynch on D2. Tempted to think the Elims would have no reason to horseplay there, but I'll go back and relook things again. As we know no workform was/has been in play, the fact that the number of votes that have shown up are as expected tells us that mediationform is not in play yet, or that possibly, the form has not been used and someone's hanging on to the gemstone. Don't think it's possible to work out alignment, but I expect we might have some nasty surprises in store if it's in Elim hands. Edited to add: Ostrich was a dullform rebel. Presumably because they were inactive. Going back to the figure of seven who failed to claim gemstones D1, this makes it three known to have failed; myself, Ross, and Ostrich. Scorpion and Weasel succeeded; Falcon succeeded, or Penguin would have called them out, and Penguin had no reason to lie. Dragonfly definitely succeeded as well. Five known to have succeeded. Here's an interesting question. Suppose that as per Dragonfly's reckoning, seven players did not secure gems. One of them would be Mavset-im and unable to have the gem in the first place. Without naming names, with a simple yes/no answer, how many of you were the recipients of a PM started on N2? I was.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
A storm was in the air. Atticus could smell it. Wet, with the promise of a deluge that would wash them off the face of the earth, if they didn't seek shelter. So much for their ragtag group. Arguments and indecision. Atticus sympathised. He could not make up his mind about Chashen, or the other, the one they called the Penguin in mateform. He was no stranger to rash acts. In his dreams, he stabbed himself in the chest with a knife, and then awoke, attuning quietly to the Rhythm of Desperation. Some of the others still squabbled about whether there were truly those among them who would sell them out to the Fused. Atticus shook his head. Fools. The dreams weighed heavily on him. A man laughed, and then collapsed on the streets, blood running from the many wounds he'd been hiding. He'd dreamed of him last night, only Atticus seemed feel the knife in his own hands, the brother's blood staining his own hands. Of course there was traitors. It wasn't about whether you believed in them, or not. You did not need to believe in highstorms for them to kill you. After all, what reason would he have to believe in something he knew to be true?M Find them, he thought, attuned to the Rhythm of Determination. Find them, or die. There was no other way out. Same.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Seems passive to me. Be glad to get @Steeldancer's clarification on this though. Yeah, side-eying you there a little, mate My issue is I tone-read Heron as a someone who had a rough day and made some mistakes. That being said, having a rough day isn't Village-exclusive, and I do lean Elim in my read of what they've done so far. I don't know, if it's between Heron and Penguin, I'm honestly more suspicious of Heron than I am of Penguin at the moment. My attitude towards Penguin is more of a null LAFO at this stage. I think it's worth pointing out Heron currently inhabits both the warform and scholarform lists. It's not alignment indicative, but people should act in light of that knowledge.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
TJ confirmed. (j/k) Bro, I literally dropped that reminder on N1 for that reason I don't know if I'll be back for close/the rest of this Turn. I had a large dataset dropped on me at work with orders to clean it by morning. So I'm due for a fun couple hours of attempting to work miracles, at the very least. I'm going to do my best with what I have: -Noted, thank you Beagle, Rhino, Scorpion, and Tuatara for your responses. -Would like to know why @Cream Tuatara has suspicions but is allergic to voting. -I do still have suspicions of Heron but as the poster-boy for RL getting in the way on C1, I think my gut thinks they feel genuine enough I'm upgrading them back to null or a very very arguable and light null+ for the moment. Also feel like an Elim Heron could make the same defense but just lynch Ross last-minute. That move does look like an Elim pulling off a bad lynch but it's not like Heron really needed to pull off: there was enough consensus that ties are bad/ties hurt us. -Rhino scares me. Also: Bro this is the second time you've said this, and Ross corrected you the first time. Last cycle there were no vote manips at all. This cycle, there's literally just one type of vote manip role and it's a double vote. You're basically asking them not to vote. Elims only get this manip if they grabbed mediationform. Workform gems were not taken and that's a passive anyway so they can't help it. Also, I would endorse this policy with a different train but I feel confident enough - for the moment - in my light Village read on Vulture that I don't want to actually leave him up for a LAFO. To me, of all the candidates I can conscionably vote on, knowing that I may not be back in time to swap, it has to be between Falcon, Heron, and Penguin. I've already said that Heron is a non-starter for me this cycle. I continue to get a negative gut read on Rhino, which I can't do anything about at this stage. It might be his current indecision, I suppose. I generally put low credence on the idea of two Elims in mateform but not entirely since it's a roll of the dice. To be sure, Wilson and Wyrm have notably done that before in AG3 (PM, not Lovers, let's just be clear...) and a number of Villagers ruled them out as Elims as a result "because they'd have the doc if they were Elim, why make PMs?" That being said, I feel as though it'd be weird for Elim Penguin to blow an action on getting into mateform subsequently, since he can just lie about the Mateform PM with Falcon. So for this scenario to be true, both Falcon and Penguin would need to be lying, which just strikes me as odd. So I agree with Rhino I don't think they're Elims together. Eh, let's play it safe. Beagle, Penguin. I don't like the two trains, but I will have to vote/act to my priorities since I may not be back in time, and I think it'd be nice to get a clear sensing of what the situation was on D2. Thank you for renewing your subscription to Lion 2.0 pinch-hitting services! There will be a temporary service disruption due to the application of the Dataset patch but we look forward to serving you again going forward!- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
@Cream Tuatara You've checked out this thread enough times Any thoughts? @Oxblood Beagle My question remains, just thought I'd nudge.- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Why don't we have a Wolverine? For that matter, why don't we have a Tiger? Malaysia demands representation! Agreed with Dragonfly here; it's something that makes me a bit uneasy of Heron, on top of my other concerns. (cf. Lion, 2021.) At this point in the cycle, I am not yet ready to turn this into a solid train, noting there may be mediationform hijinks, but also that I do think the votes should remain competitive for the time being. Oxblood Beagle Emerald Falcon, interested in your thoughts at this point in the cycle. Here's another question: if Albatross hadn't broken the tie, would you still have voted yourself? Edited to add: Thank you for subscribing to Lion 2.0 pinch-hitting services! What do you call the anon accounts Amaranth Crow and Cornsilk Crow?- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Bit of both. Null minus to me so I felt it was a good time to hear more from them. Slight minus drift because I felt like the stab vote assertion was a bit convenient and disengaged; at the same time. Felt a bit like an Elim shopping for a target that wouldn't draw too much question. But their recent post has me considering again: Could be an Elim deliberately trying this tactic. We've used this "they're so out of it they can't be Elim!" reasoning to exonerate players enough times I think it's clear eventually an Elim will try it. No idea if this is what is going on here. But part of me does say Falcon seems so out of it I am reconsidering. Steel has already clarified that if the conversion hits a player in warform, then we'll get <Original Mavset-im Player> was a Rebel Warform! And if the warform hasn't been hit before, that's a really significant warning sign. Which means we know for certain no conversion happened this cycle, even though it's too early for it. (I mean, yeah, I did ask Steel via PM but that being said, I also don't really gain anything from lying about the rules ) I...do have negative reads of Plum Rhino and Mint Heron, which is strange and hypocritical of me, as I do think Vulture was constructing an Azbantium-grade tunnel on me but I also do think that players without my role PM or identity information (cf. how we play is informed by our formative experiences) are a bit too quick to dismiss that as a bad argument. Well, it's not great not terrible 3.6 Roentgen hi cyning this one's specially for you but it's not awful either. Saying: "Player X had a sus vote and also might fit an Elim profile" isn't the strongest but it is par for the course for D2. It feels like it's a good place for an Elim to position themselves. I do think the manner in which it went down doesn't make so much sense for an Elim, so I still have a light Village read of Vulture. Agreed. Hey Elan if you ever read this thread, shout-out to you for your hard work. So many threads locked! Now I have to post to bump this up right on top again- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'd say it's another reason I hold two seemingly-contradictory positions: -Information will increase/leak over the course of this game. It can't be helped. Every PM we start essentially notifies other players of what our action was. This information can be traded and will likely appear in thread as players legitimately discuss suspicions, just like what happened with my N1 PM. This is a dimension I hadn't considered as strongly until I was looking at the warform/scholarform listings. -PM safety is important. If you collect info or have a lot of PMs with many different players, you will be a prime Mavset-im target, if only because of the information you have, since I believe the account is handed over with PMs intact, and the PM history should not be expunged. I don't think it's the most critical thing, but it could be the last straw that helps an Elim team zoom in on the last scholarforms they'd like to take down, or warforms to avoid. (Assuming they didn't get those in the first place.) This is ignoring the catastrophic effect that considering a player trusted and therefore refusing to revise beliefs on them can have. I'd say we especially have to keep our reads flexible and continue to update our beliefs until we know Mavset-im is down for the count. The good news is that because Dragonfly survived a kill, we know Mavset-im hasn't body-hopped yet. Otherwise, of necessity, the corpse would be written up as warform and there is no corpse. (Incidentally, if they do choose to use the unblockable kill on a warform, I think this would be telling. If a warform suddenly drops dead without any prior attack or lynch, we know it's Mavset-im.) If Mavset-im can read past PMs, then such PMs will be an informational goldmine. Not saying don't PM as that's a good tell, just saying be careful what goes in PMs, period. Can't spell shame without same, amirite mate It was so bloody annoying I cannot even I had the Skittles text perfectly formatted waiting to go and then I almost hit submit and realised my pfp colour was wrong. Bloody hell... >>- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Taste the rainbow! All sorts of flavours! You would not believe the number of times I have nearly Oops Awarded myself today.... My shame be hidden. Okay. To start this off, I'm going to put a bit of pressure on Emerald Falcon. I'm interested in what your current take is; Scorp, given your views about Swan voters, I'm interested that you went for Dragonfly instead last Day. Why? Thank you for renewing your subscription to Lion 2.0 pinch-hitting services! Please remember to rate our service on your local Kholinar app store!- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Immediate read: would class Dragonfly less as a control kill and more as a role/seek kill, but acknowledge the issue isn't clear-cut. Dragonfly has been active and helpful, read Village by a number of players, and most importantly, was on the short list of potential Warform and Scholarform players. WGG possibility should never be excluded and could plausibly be done to further fuel Dragonfly's Village cred in a gambit-happy Elim team but overall, I am - for the moment - sufficiently satisfied with my light Village read of Dragonfly that I don't find this a possibility I will place heavy credence on. Feel that a WGG play centred on Dragonfly would also be a little odd, so there is that. Current state of the stash: Both mediationform gems gone. No current way of assessing whether these were taken by roleless or by Villagers, but we will likely have to watch out while voting today. Elims would do well to hold back one or two of their number D1 to gain absolute priority in collecting mediationform on D2. Could potentially see nimbleform claimed by Elims to be able to put in a NK and also PM, but Villagers, too, could make use of it so no comment. Another artform taken. Slightly less productive for an Elim in my view, given that it burns a night action, and there is little to be gained in terms of Village cred for it. But at some level this does become an IKYK. No artform message in this write-up. Possibilities here but the only one I'm interested in discussing is a potential Stormform roleblock. Five gems gone. Either more Villagers piled up with people trying to secure secondary gems, or some combination of people going PM-kayana and having actions or other things they'd rather do. Recall from D1 that ten gems were taken. Ignoring Mauve, and Swan doesn't count due to OoA, this gives us seven players whom - as Dragonfly pointed out - either failed to grab a gem, took an Elim gem, or didn't submit an order. Agree with the likely assessment that Mavset-im went for a gem as well just to drain the stash. Out of the seven, we now know Ross failed to grab a gem, and I am claiming to have gone for warform D1 and failed. Ross was lynched D2, leaving us with a pool of six players without gems. In theory, this isn't too far off the mark for the five that have gone missing, especially if we consider a potential fight for mediationform. I don't see this as being terribly Village or Elim indicative as roleless players are given absolute priority for gems unless it comes down Village roleless versus Elim roleless, and then we have those pesky probability factors to puzzle out again. Would be nice to work out if Elims are making an aggressive play for the Village stash, but ultimately I think it's hard to reason this out due to the likely rush for meditationform gems. Curious to hear thoughts on the issue though. Edited to add: Thank you for renewing your subscription to Lion 2.0 pinch-hitting services! Please feel free to take a piece of candy from our service-counter~- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
The cold bit at him. Danger, danger, danger, everything whispered. Dark dreams, dark tidings. Ross dead now. His fault maybe. He knew that if he inhabited any other form, the guilt would drown him but here it was only a distant sea. Thane attuned to the Rhythm of the Lost. Atticus could not find it. A distant song at the edge of hearing. A light at the end of the world. But it was gone then and doused. They were sheltering again, waiting for the highstorm to hit. Atticus remembered hiding from a highstorm. Waiting for rain. Song of distant thunder. Sound of the stormwall tearing past buildings. He remembered waiting for the end of the world. He did not know why. Dullform made it difficult to think, took away the edge. But still the memories swam through his head. Some had taken warform. He wondered if they would be of help against the evil that lurked among them. Either way, he thought,Mthere wasn't much he could do except to try to keep out of the way of the destruction. He looked out towards where the cave walls opened and dreamed of storms, brewing. [OOC: Thank you for subscribing to Lion 2.0 pinch-hitter services! Please don't forget to recommend our app to your friends with your unique referral code!]- 819 replies
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Long Game 79/Anonymous Game 10: The Rhythm of Freedom
Opal Lion replied to Steeldancer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Adds up if people have been profligate with PMing on C1. Scorp essentially claiming having a gem and Scorp's claim w.r.t. Weasel rules them out of the pool given the assumption that players would use gemstones automatically. I've actually met the conditions for Artform, Scholarform, and Warform, but due to it now being known I made a PM and failed to get a gem on N1, verified by Vulture, Rhino, and Ross, Elims can safely cull me from the Warform/Scholarform pool. And so on. As the game goes on, I expect cover for Villagers in warform and scholarform to decrease substantially due to these pieces of information trickling out. Not saying not to PM, just saying: be careful because information does leak, and due to actions economy, it's possible to make inferences about what players did, and what their forms are. In Elim hands, this could be dangerous, e.g. figuring out who to avoid wasting a kill on, or who could be the target of the Mavset-im unblockable kill. I don't expect it to be reasonably practicable to keep the information locked up forever, but I would prefer players make an informed decision / exercise awareness of information hygiene.- 819 replies
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