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  1. Fuchsia Ostrich
    Okay I was planning on doing a full re-read before posting and deciding on a vote but just realized something to reply to - I don't think Elims have a Seeker because Hyena said he'd have loved to play longer with Vulture and the only reason they killed him because he suspected VUlture was a Mistborn. The tone he said it was casual too, so don't think it was misleading and if they had a Seeker, it's more likely they'd have scanned to see his role.
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    My tier list in the order of descending order of "I wanna look at these people" - [Scorp, Cham, Alb, Dingo] [Heron, Elephant, Axl] [Mouse, Dragonfly, Zebra, Rhino] [Flamingo, Beagle] [Swan, Penguin, Meerkat]
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    hmmm also begets the question as to why hyena chose falcon particularly to tie themselves to. if falcon is vil, then falcon as gambit target seems extremely random.
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    The thing is you didn't mention none of this last cycle, when they because the subject of discussion. None of your doubts or distrusts or any of such kind. Keeping it close to your chest is okay, but once they become the topic of the elimination, surely you'd feel compelled to reveal these doubts? You even defended them at some points.
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    You don't think reasons stated not related to ID are good enough for the exe? Both are 2 unrelated points to every other point I made in my post.
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    Yeah, I debated not mentioning the 4th and 5th points - but seeing as Falcon herself going - "if you know me, you know me doing X or Y is village for me" so if she can use the identity argument to try to prove she's village, I thought it's fair game for me to use it to mention my suspicions. Sorry, I know it still feels against the spirit of the game, but those are my personal suspicions, and I can't just... not state them right?
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    Also would love to know why Falcon did not seem to hesitate to trust a Seeker scan? Falcon is better than to blindly believe someone who scanned them is village. There is no progression of Falcon's trust on Hyena at all. If I was a Lurcher and an alignment-unknown Mistborn claimed to have scanned me as Lurcher, my first thought would be to protect myself because there's a possibility that the Mistborn could be an elim. Here, she has no concerns for personal safety and Lurches Azure instead. Furthermore she believes in the alignment-unknown Mistborn's claim to protect here, which not withstanding the weirdness Penguin mentioned ["Lurching the Lurcher" as opposed to Lurcher Lurching self and Hyena going for someone else], the sheer lack of concern for personal safety is baffling here, because all things points to Falcon believing alignment-unknown Hyena's words to protect her. Players who have played Mat's Lord Ruler [MR46?] game will remember Falcon wanting to vote out Aman during D1, but ended up getting voted out because she did not want to vote on a returned player, and then Aman flipped elim and she regretted that decision quite badly. Such a player would be very wary of Aman's Seeker claim and would be very cautious of trusting them. Players who have played the last Tyrian game [LG74] will remember Falcon was a member of the evil team whose primary tactic was to get trusted by villagers by using the Seeker scan on them, mainly by Seeker!Fifth. Now, as an elim who has won using that tactic, v!Falcon be naturally more cautious to similar Seeker attempts made against her to dupe her in the process. But here, we see no such alarmness or doubt against this move. No suspicion at all against the Seeker claim, which - especially from the context of being on the LG74 evil team - is very very weird. One of my main points being this - THERE IS NO WAY A VILLAGE LURCHER BLINDLY TRUSTS A RANDOM MISTBORN, WHO KNOWS THEY ARE VILLAGE LURCHER, TO PROTECT THEM AND THEN MAKE A DECISION NOT TO PROTECT THEMSELF.
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    Hi, I wasn't here for all the drama as I dipped for the night because of a headache. So I've got few things to say Hyena, I don't know if this was an attempt at AtE but if you genuinely felt this way during the game, then I'm sorry. All arguments made (at least by me, personally - but also I don't think Meerkat or Vulture did this too) have not been made taking into consideration of your reputation. Reputation calls caution, yes, but always preceded by facts and thread activity. We really don't do threat-eliminations or threat kills anymore. Kel [not Kas, mind you ] has been back here for a while now and despite a reputation of being a very good villager, almost always makes it to C3 or later. Really sorry if you felt you were being voted out because of your reputation. This is not true because the main argument against him was D3 voting actions and thread behavior [and from my end, D2 actions as well wrt Gorilla and Iguana]. The claimed scan on you [and the Lurch on him] supports the above arguments and not the driving force behind them. My bad xD Sorry Hyena, but my logic was more focused that bussing becoming such a norm nowadays that it's likely to be more looked at than defending an elim. See a large train on red flip? Immediately assume there are a few buses on it - which is not a bad assumption but elims can use this to defend teammates and that'd be looked at not as suspiciously as the bus itself. In fact, you by yourself theorized that you "wouldn't be surprised if 3 of the elims" are on the Gorilla train. Normal to assume the bus, less common to assume strong defense as an action of elim teammate. What may seem as a reputational backed statement [well, maybe it was just slightly reputational because it still takes a good elim to take advantage of the fact ] was my take on buses being suspected as the norm now.
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    Easy, boy - relax xD Edit - er gif not loading smh Edit 2 -
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    Brilliant. I was waiting for this because 100%, attacking me here is the elim move, wrt the events occurred till now, and I'll explain why. Me, Vulture and Meerkat were the ones [actually, the only ones] to drive a discussion on you. So now you're in a situation where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't situation wherein if you kill one us, it says that we may be right, but if you don't kill one of us, discussion will only grow hotter. Among the three of us, Vulture would be the considered as the most unbudgeable from his position [or atleast, perceived as such from your team] so he had to go [his vote goes and so does his voice]. Hyena cannot make a case against lower-actives as an alternative to his cw, that would just be weak. The strongest argument to be made will be against a person suspecting you - but it cannot be Meerkat because Meerkat is trusted top read [also you have a history with Meerkat, which you can use to try to convince him, but you cannot use that because we don't have that connection] so that leaves you with me. Kill Vulture, convince Meerkat, attack Ostrich. Logically - I'm the best option of a counter wagon for an elim, and the fact that you followed the exact same path is telling.
  11. Fuchsia Ostrich
    Because the discrediting didn't end up working xD Again, noting the deflection [why would I do this?] and not an explanation for the contradiction.
  12. Fuchsia Ostrich
    Si senorita mi thinks that was an attempt to discredit Vulture.
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    @Emerald Falcon, hi - here I bring forth the case where you try to invalidate Vulture's reasoning by false statements and contradict yourself multiple times - Not including the fact that the stuff about ego is trying to invalidate his suspicion - he was right about Gorilla. He made a case for both of you so this reasoning doesn't gold at all because he ended up being right about Gorilla. Again, he wasn't completely wrong as he was right about Gorilla, AND he actually calls on the possibility of you both as E/E in that very post itself, NOT in retrospect after Gorilla flipped. Contradiction : Above, you call Amber as a villager who hasn't been right yet and here you say Vulture did have more reasoning and was correct about Gorilla. Emotional appeal by being sarcastically self-deprecating. @Charcoal Hyena hi, Hey hey hey, you're only human, remember? You're not infallible Sometimes you try out something and it doesn't work out, don't worry
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    And with the amount of suspicion on you, no village Lurcher should have protected you. And the fact that Vulture was killed. Charcoal Hyena
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    Self-vote cancel subtracts the Rioted vote added.
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    Why are you asking for affirmation? Will your reply alter based on my confirmation? To answer you - No of course not. But the point was not that your opinion on Turquoise was simply inconclusive. It was that it was deliberately inconclusive. No, rather you simply made sure we'd focus more on Saffron rather than on Gorilla, then hope the heat on Gorilla would dissipate out. Which is why you fought tooth and nail to prevent Turquoise from flipping at all Yes, correct. 100% I believe you're the kind of player who is very diverse - one day you bus, another day you'll staunchly defend your teammate and then say "would I strongly defend my teammate this way, would I not bus?"
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    I would be willing to give you some benefit of the doubt if it was only the events of last cycle but you have been setting this up since D2 with the ISOs setting up to show Iguana more suspicious than Gorilla. Particularly agree with Vulture who better explains the ISO on Gorilla here - D2 332 Charcoal Hyena ISO of Turquoise Gorilla. Thinks distribution speculation NAI. Doesn't know what to think about PM based reasoning. Leaning elim based on timing of Turquoise vote, posts updated vote count 2 hrs before rollover, unconcerned about leading lynch. Suspects soother. Doesn't see desire to solve game. Gut paranoid villager based on vote manipulation post. Overall confused N/A N/A Overall fairly inconclusive read - return to it if Gorilla flips, as feels like deliberately inconclusive. Contingent on Gorilla flip Equivocates on Turquoise Gorilla Feels deliberately inconclusive - exactly. Rollover timing is uncomfortable for me, with me being unavailable for the last 8 - 12 hours of the cycle depending on irl stuff. I haven't been in discussion at any EoCs, and all my final votes were around the same time [or earlier] as my Gorilla vote with the knowledge that they won't likely change. Try again. Also, the progression from - you piggybacking and using my suspicion on Onyx to make your own case opposite to Gorilla last cycle - to 'ALARM BELLS RINGING' because I'm voting accordingly to my time zone, especially when it was 3-3 and I voted opposite to Falcon, whom you are strongly trusting - doesn't track at all, the 180 is very weird to say the least.
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    Okay so scratch everything I've said earlier about Scorpion because I've been thinking about something + something in Vulture's recent long-post caught my eye - N1 228 Amethyst Scorpion Included thread summary as the reasoning. Asks Saffron Iguana whether they think all three in the lynch were villagers, in which case the spiked needn't care, or whether Amethyst Scorpion was an elim trying to bus a teammate for villager points N/A N/A Third option - knew Turquoise Gorilla soothed, was creating future distancing? Could also be genuine Paranoia mild evil Engaging with Saffron iguana Okay so hold that there while I get back to it - D3: There is evidence off minimum 1 Riot. D2: Note that this particular Soothe is Iguana's and hence, the Riot seen in D3 is not seen here. D1: To the naked eye, it looks like 2 Soothe, one of which is accounted for [Iguana]. BUT, if we look at the pattern here - D3 - Elim involved in vote, Rioter involved in manipulation D2 - V/V vote, no involvement from the Rioter D1 - Elim involved in vote, ??? My theory is that the vote missing is not a simple Soothe from Gorilla but a Rioter shifting a vote from Gorilla onto Crocodile. The point is, as Vulture says, e!Scorpion would know that a vote would be moving and that they'd be relatively safe to vote on Gorilla, and if something unsafe does happen, they'd have the entire trust of the village. It definitely wasn't a reactive vote manipulation from the elims - Scorp's vote was 2 minutes before rollover, so they did not react to this vote, rather, they had already manipulated the vote at this point - with Swan, Ocho or Axl's vote as the shift target. Point about Scorpion's vote on Gorilla in D2 but there like literally zero pressure on Gorilla at that point, so because of all this I'll not even be soft-clearing Scorpion after all. This also has other implications - meaning one of the players on the Crocodile train is the Rioter... it's not me or Iguana, which leaves us Flamingo or Falcon - leaning towards Falcon here because in the last cycle, the Riot shift was TOWARDS Gorilla, rather than an attempt to save Gorilla by shifting it in the opposite direction i.e. shifting from Gorilla TOWARDS Falcon, which makes me believe that last cycle was indeed E/E with Falcon having the more important role i.e. Rioter.
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    @Oxblood Beagle, I'll answer your question here - It's because I thought elim!Meerkat would like to look like village!Meerkat, and village!Meerkat will be pushing players and would not have been nonchalant between either options. If he was, it'd be suspicious too. Elim!Meerkat would be trying as much as possible to be his village self. Anyway, just answering your question here, these thoughts of mine are not so much relevant because I've changed my mind on Meerkat following the Gorilla flip.
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    Alright going back to D1 because of the flip - ^ Albatross' vote to make it 3-3-3 here looks quite bad. I suppose it could have been worse if they would have put Crocodile to 4, but the knowledge of the vote manips could have allowed them to safely make it 3-3-3 and not be worried about Gorilla's death And Scorpion's vote here looks really really good, there's no reason you bus a teammate when two villager are right there with 4 votes. From last cycle, Swan was the first vote and Flamingo was the second on Gorilla (still confused about this because from D1 EoD, Flamingo - Gorilla team makes sense but Flamingo voted on them fairly early last cycle, so bus? or was 2nd vote deemed not to dangerous to back off later and then votes just piled up?). Feel like I'm a bit confident to start weaning off Meerkat paranoia with that 3rd vote on Gorilla. Between the second and third vote on Gorilla, there was second vote on Beagle [from Falcon] and a second vote and third vote on Falcon [by Chameleon and Rhino] so these can be marked for attempting to start a counter-wagon. Falcon was the closest to actually come up to match the vote tally of Gorilla which might have been an attempt to save Gorilla which they realized was futile and fell off. Bringing back my Charcoal Hyena theory that they attempted to paint Iguana more suspiciously than Gorilla during their respective ISOs during D2 to note here.
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    Been busy for a while [still am] and could not go back through D2 like I thought I could and I'll probably not be back before EoD. Was thinking about my belief of a Flamingo - Gorilla team from D2, but uhh Flamingo is voting for Gorilla, so not sure about that anymore. But I want to contribute to the vote, and no one took up on Flamingo last cycle so Gorilla.
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    Meerkat, I think you're wholly misunderstanding what I'm trying to tell here. This is me speculating, trying to do is figure out the Octo kill, so this is one of the scenarios. And no, it's not exactly like what you said in my head. It was more like - Tineye said they're taking advertisements for future AMs right? So I figure they've claimed to a few people that they're Tineye and that they could send them a message to be posted. One of the players the Tineye claimed to would happen to be the Seeker and Seeker would pass the information (however that may be). But yeah, it still requires less than optimum play from the Seeker. But that's more like how I imagined the scenario to be. Anyway, this is pure speculation from my part trying to figure out the Octo kill. I'm not the N2 scan target [or if I was, I have not been contacted yet by the Seeker]. I do not know who the Seeker or the N2 scan target was, and I wasn't implying that I was one. I am just paranoid of you. Just keep the AMs coming, and if we ever find and kill an evil Tineye and your AMs stop, then we'll know you're evil.
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    It doesn't have to be atrocious village behavior, it can be something simple like the Seeker starting the chain of "hey someone passed a message to give to the Tineye". I'm not trying to make you look evil, I'm just trying to understand your motive here because this is too risky move to pull off for chaos and information, and very uncharacteristic of you. I just asked what the gambit was in the thread. I discussed the possibility in detail only in my PM with you. What was waffle-y about my last post? I could not have been clearer about where I stand.
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    I - ughh, Meerkat I'm finding this whole thing confusing because a. I don't recall you ever pulling off such gambits or you telling me about them from your earlier days and b. I know how much you give importance to village trust forming over the early game and in this move.. you just destroyed every trust villagers had in you and caused confusion and paranoia so now I'm conflicted because either you're truthful or you have calmed yourself down, had a nice sleep, given yourself ample amount of time to cook a beautiful story, a story which I will now be trying see if there's any holes in to poke - Evidence that Meerkat is Truthful: Like Meerkat said, Seeker need to have scanned him N1, and found a village Tineye by N2 which is not mechanically possible All the code stuff Evidence that Meerkat is Lying: To counter in the first point of the previous case, Seeker would have to find the Tineye by some other means, i.e. PMing. I'll come back to this later If Octopus was, in fact, the Tineye who sent the messages, then Meerkat would have to construct a story, a very very compelling story to make his case as a Tineye, but if anyone could write a story, you guys know it's Meerkat. Use of hex codes is easier to manipulate because even the slightest adjustment in the color picking can alter the hex code drastically. For this point, I'd like to ask @Salmon Meerkat, why did you set the opacity of the first dot to 50% and the second one to 100%? This might be a stretch, but Meerkat was absolutely turned my paranoia dial to eleven. I'd say at this point I'd still believe Meerkat is telling the truth but there's one thing still bugging me - Why kill Octo? The Octopus kill makes absolute no sense from the elim perspective. No sense at all, especially comparing their N1 kill which was to go for a very low poster. So why change their MO in the second cycle? Which brings to the first point in the Lying case. That the Seeker somehow managed to contact Octopus and during the chain of PMs from Seeker to Octopus, it went through one of the elims. Which would give a perfect motivation for the Octopus kill, which would make the AM true, which would make Meerkat evil, which would make Meerkat fabricate a story to claim Octo's PMs. Not sure if anyone asked this but the best way to refute this is to ask if AMs come before deaths in OoA. @Elbereth, can a Tineye send out an anonymous message in the turn they die? tl;dr - Paranoid about Meerkat's claim, most probably telling the truth BUT octo kill very weird - could possibly link to Meerkat's claim which is making me side-eye the whole thing And what does this mean? You'd flip before Swan [if you hadn't said anything] and if you're village like you say you are, then why would I pursue that gambit angle on Swan?
  25. Fuchsia Ostrich
    bruh wat?
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