Master_Moridin

I expect a RAFO on this one but it's just one I find interesting Does the way Hoid uses Feruchemy to know where to go involve a coppermind?

It's actually about the Spiritual

I'm having a hard time parsing this, but from what I'm getting all the ideas on the Cognitive realm seem really cool. When you bring up Shards though, you seem to ignore the existence of the Spiritual Realm and that Shards exist in it primarily. Hopefully someone that can put words to screen on this better will come along.

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If you need a direct quote there's a script Moogle made http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/22613-a-tool-to-copypaste-from-theoryland-more-easily/

It is also possible that Wax seeing lines pointing to everything was the result of seeing lines pointing to the atoms of the metallic elements that make up a lot of things.

You could probably make some sort of allomantic nuke doing something like that... A chain of powerful nicrobursts culminating in bursting a large-ish chunk of steel...

I wonder if it's directly affecting his body's ability to generate force. When he taps mass his body starts generating enough force to keep from collapsing in on itself, but not enough to make moving as easier as before, and when he stores the force his body outputs drops to a point it makes doing something like a pull-up more difficult, but not enough to make moving around difficult. So like, if he taps 2x mass, he generates 1.3x force and if he stores 0.5x mass, he generates 0.7x force? (just to put some vague unfounded numbers there)

Entirely possible Cosmere healing involves converting Investiture into matter.

The cube wasn't used for reducing the plane's mass though. The dude from SoScad (I am so blanking on his name) had Wax charge it with Allomantic Steel to power the propellers.

I think this is where we're misunderstanding each other. Burn length being a function of mass is not the same as burn length being a function of density. Burn length being a function of density would mean that if you have two beads of equal mass but one has a smaller volume, then the smaller bead would burn longer. And the quote we have mentions density. We honestly just need more clarification in the form of a full quotation.

Brandon has a tendency to use Shadesmar to refer to the Cognitive Realm as a whole, even though he's also said it refers specifically to Roshar's part of the Cognitive Realm. And there's nothing in that quote about distance from Scadrial to Roshar not being compressed??

They're still "storing mass", they're just doing so through manipulation of Higgs field interactions. It can't be storing that interaction cause then that would have the exact same effect straight up storing mass should have. Either way, they don't store weight and Brandon has said they "store mass", but the whole mechanic of it is weird and breaks things.

This is the crux of the confusion though. In the quote we have, Brandon only mentions density. So the question becomes, did he specifically mean density, or did he mean two things of equal volume, but the one with greater mass would burn longer. It's a question of whether density or mass determines burn rate.

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Crashers actually are storing their mass. In-world they just happen to not understand this so they say they're storing their weight.

Complete lack of anything backing this I can think of, but if the Investiture stored in nicrosil is done so in the form of a spiritweb, maybe it acts almost like a less invasive and less diverse version of hemalurgy, and touching the charged nicrosil connects the spiritweb in it to your spiritweb?

I actually brought this up in another thread. If we extrapolate bubbles absorbing (and for Cadmium presumably injecting) kinetic energy to doing so for the energy of light, it would fix the redshift problem quite efficiently.

And? That doesn't mean that a chunk of metal with the same mass but larger volume would burn the same length as a denser bead with the same mass but smaller volume. That very well could be what was meant, but it is not what was said, at least in the quote as it has been delivered to us. In the quote he addresses density, and says nothing about volume or mass specifically. If we had a more complete quote that actually stated the exact question asked and the entirety of Brandon's response this would be much simpler to come to a conclusion on.

Except that's not what Brandon said? Brandon said the piece with greater density would burn longer, presumably referring to compressing a chunk of metal into bead shape. "you would be able to burn [the denser bead] longer." doesn't have much wiggle room.

The statement you said "the dense bead would have the same burn length as the original-density block." means the same thing as "The dense bead would burn as long as the piece of metal would have before it was made denser." (dense bead = dense bead), (have the same burn length = burn as long as), (original-density block = metal before it was made denser) Which contradicts Brandon's statement that the denser piece would burn longer. Like, it does confirm that if you have two pieces of metal with equal mass then the denser one would burn longer. I was just confused because what you said it meant contradicted that, so I thought you had made a simple mistake so I asked.

Aren't these two statements contradictory??

What makes a person an Allomancer isn't their Connection to Preservation, it's the actual piece of Preservation in their soul. There's random scattered quotes that all talk about this, but I readily admit I have no idea where all of them are. Unless there was something explicitly mentioned in Secret History I'm unaware of that completely overwrote all the old stuff we'd been told.

Oops I always mix up those metals in my head