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  1. While Joe probably was ninja'd by Orlok's post, I would assume that when Joe went back to edit his post 38 minutes later, he noticed that Orlok had voted on Fura. More importantly, you are CadCom, and as such really should know why you voted on Joe. Was it a defense of Fura or not? As no house can win if the Spiked do, I would consider a village Coinshot who made kills for the purpose of ensuring that the most praised player was from their house to be actively opposing their village win condition. As such, I don't anticipate having an issue with Coinshots exclusively targeting members of other houses. Out of the four candidates currently tied for the lynch, I think Cadmium is the most suspicious. Compared to recent games, his posts, especially the more recent ones, seem to be based more on summarizing than analysing. In MR31 and QF34 he provided opinions on the suspicions of various players in addition to summarizing votes. In this game, he appears to be content to respond to the suspicions of others rather than making accusations of his own, which I know is something I do as an elim. Edit: I also have to make a praise vote, so I shall put praise back on Orlok.
  2. Ark/Orlok I'm pretty sure that @Nohadon is voting to assassinate Fifth and praise Steel, and if so Fifth is tied for the lynch for second with lynch votes, with Snipexe in the lead with three(Fifth, Shqueeves, Ark). I'm sort of tempted to vote for Fifth; the jump from 'houses aren't important' to 'coinshots would overly favor particular houses' is noteworthy. I'm not sure what elim!Fifth would gain from convincing the thread that coinshots don't exist, though. I also don't like how @Shqueeves 'randomly' voted on someone who already had a vote. There were four such people at the time, so a random vote would have had a 4/21 chance of landing on one of them. Not implausible, but unlikely enough that if Furamirionind(the previous vote leader) is evil, there's a greater than proportional chance that Shqueeves is as well.
  3. So I had a 65%(80% actually, as I had a +15% to roleblock) chance of achieving my final win condition hour 8 by roleblocking Kelek, but rolled a 90. Hour 9, I would have succeeded again but Venli succeeded on a 20% chance to redirect the attack to Darkness. Exciting. At least we prevented the Desolation. I feel better about trying to murder Amaram knowing that he was evil, but I do apologise to my fellow Heralds for lying to them from hour 7 onwards and actively preventing their win conditions. Adolin did know that you set out to lynch him specifically, because I told him so. In return, you apparently told Kelek what my win condition was, though thankfully Kelek did not decide to out me in retaliation for sabotaging his win condition several times. Edit: And apparently I also would have succeeded hour 10.5 if Klade hadn't successfully hid. The dice really didn't want me to be evil.
  4. Lord Heron was a practical man, certainly. His current wealth and influence vindicated his decision to support the skaa rebellion back before the Catacendre, traitorous as that decision had been. His killing of the Lord Mistborn showed that his power exceeded any other mortal's. (If Lord Heron is currently only 91, and he remembers a time before the Catacendre, then TLM should still be alive as he canonically ruled for a century.) Yet even the most cunning and powerful of men fell short before the prowess of a God. Harmony had driven away the ash and created the Basin but then did nothing, seemingly content to let the humans run wild. The skaa still worshiped the Survivor, and seemingly believed that he would someday return. Tessona believed in the Lord Ruler, and his regent, Ironeyes. She had read the Words of Founding; she knew about how the Lord Ruler had held off Ruin to grant his subjects a thousand years of peace and prosperity. Within seventy years of his absence, society had fallen to Ruin faster than it had in the past thousand. The wealthy and powerful ruled over the poorer skaa much as they had during the later years of the Final Empire, but there was no unifying figure to lead the people in the same direction. The Lord Ruler had been that leader before, and Tessona was determined to pave the way for him to be that leader again. Especially in the early game, the more likely fate of the influential player is to be targeted by soothers and rioters, especially if the elims have one or both of those roles. To prevent that, it may be helpful for a village smoker to protect the influential player if/when we elect as influential someone trustworthy enough that it's unnecessary to scan them. While Orlok isn't close to being cleared enough that it's worth blocking any potential bronze scans of him, I see no particular reason why he shouldn't become the game's first influential player. For my assassination vote, I'll go with Aniah (Ark1002). @Ark1002, you've been around recently, what do you have to say? I don't think the House victory is important enough that a Coinshot would risk sabotaging their chances of a Noble/Spiked victory, especially as no House can win if the Spiked prevail. Even if the House victory was important, with 22 players there are going to be unequal numbers of players in each house, so I'd say it's entirely possible that there are Coinshot(s) in the game.
  5. My schedule is freer than it was a week ago, so I can switch from spectating to playing. I'll be Tessona, a Sliverist who believes that she can help the Lord Ruler return.
  6. Major Mauve had undergone the Rending mere weeks after escaping Newcago following Steelheart’s death. Travelling with a group of fellow refugees, he had stumbled and collapsed, dropping the box of canned food he had been carrying. The wooden box split open, spilling cans of soup on the ground as Mauve fell to his knees, head thudding against the intact top of the box. Invisible fingers burning with heat grasped at him, and Mauve screamed in pain and terror as he felt them scald his flesh. Concerned, the refugee walking behind him knelt down and made to help Mauve up to his feet. Instinctively, Mauve shrank away from the touch, rolling forward and passing through the box. The other refugees were surprised to observe a man roll through a box as if it wasn’t there, but Mauve was fueled solely by rage and pain. How dare a mere mortal attempt to lay hands on him! Heedless of the consequences, Mauve pulled out his Enforcer’s pistol and shot the hapless refugee in the head. The remainder of the group overcame their shock, with the few of them that possessed guns drawing them and returning fire. Their pathetic attempt at defiance soon ended as every bullet that would have hit him instead went straight through him without even leaving a mark on his clothes. The smart ones dropped their supplies and ran, while Mauve executed those too slow to flee. When the last of the surviving refugees outstripped the range of his pistol, Mauve drew his sniper rifle and began to track down the survivors. Seven years spent silencing dissidents with this same rifle had honed Mauve’s skills, and one by one the fleeing refugees died from a bullet to the back. Soon, fifteen corpses littered the countryside, the only witnesses to Mauve’s transformation. Satisfied, the High Epic Spectre collected all the food, water, and weaponry he could transport, leaving the rest to rot alongside the bodies of his former companions. Spectre spent the next few couple of months living by himself in the forests of Appalachia. It was peaceful there, with no humans to interfere with him. His powers demanded that he hunt and kill, and so he did, learning the extents of his newfound abilities in the process. He could not phase through living beings, as he found out while attempting to walk through an oak tree. He could, however, walk soundlessly by allowing his feet to sink slightly into the ground with every step. The wind could not carry his scent to those who would have fled at the odor of a human. He no longer felt cold or heat, and rain merely obscured his vision. Spectre might have happily lived the rest of his life alone in the forest, but his powers had other ideas. Every night as Spectre lay down to sleep the nightmares came. The details changed but the general pattern never changed; people Spectre had known in his pre-Epic days grasping for him, clawing at his flesh. Every touch inflicted pure agony, an electric shock sending a single message to every pain receptor in his body. He always woke up screaming, frightening away the wildlife in the area. Every day this continued, Spectre had to travel further and further to hunt down his next meal, and the nightmares continued to get worse. People with faces he couldn’t recall would hold him down while the most important people in his past life; his parents, his sister, his best friend from the Enforcers, would embrace him and whisper that he was a coward, an embarrassment who had been granted great power and squandered it. Their words hurt almost as much as their touch. Spectre slowly went mad; from hunger, from sleep deprivation, from the pain that lingered even into his waking hours. Finally, he couldn’t take it any longer. He placed his loaded pistol against his temple and pulled the trigger. The bullet whizzed through his skull, missing his body entirely. The voice of his mother mocked him for his weakness, telling him that he should have been grateful for the gift he had been given. His father chimed in, telling Spectre that if he was too pathetic to take his own life, he’d better find someone else to do it for him. Weakened by the continual torment, Spectre was in no position to resist. Grabbing ahold of his pistol, sniper rifle, and all the ammunition he could carry, he fled the forest, searching for someone who could end his misery. Spectre raced through the woods as fast as he could, the voices in his head urging him on. He tripped and fell several times, but no fall could hurt him so long as he fell on solid ground. After running all day, he finally came across another human for the first time since he’d murdered the refugee group, an older man evidently doing some hunting of his own. As the man raised his hand in greeting, the murderous feelings he had felt when he’d first become Epic returned. Spectre raised his rifle and killed him before the man realized his greeting would not be reciprocated. That night, the nightmares were muted, less painful than before. His parents no longer criticized his actions, though their touch was still excruciating. Spectre learned from that experience, and upon waking he set out in search of more humans to murder. For the next couple of years up until the day Calamity fell, Spectre roamed the Eastern seaboard, killing dozens in every city he visited. He never set out to challenge any Epics, nor did he seek to claim any territory, he merely killed mercilessly, every death soothing his internal agonies. What minor Epics did come after him were quickly slaughtered, and the High Epics that could have conceivably hurt him were content to ignore him so long as he didn’t stay for than a day in any city. Two years and tens of thousands of deaths later, Spectre had become so used to staving off his nightmares with bloodshed that their abrupt end of was merely a welcome relief rather than a miracle. Experimentally, Spectre abstained from murdering anyone the following day. The nightmares didn’t come, nor did the voices of his parents condemn him. Intrigued, Spectre didn’t kill anyone the second or third days either, enjoying the feeling of being able to walk publicly through the streets in broad daylight. On the fourth day, a woman bumped into him while he was walking along the sidewalk and Spectre reflexively shot her. This kill felt different from the ones he had committed under Calamity’s influence, more satisfying somehow now that he was killing of his own free will. The other pedestrians objected to the violent murder, so Spectre starting shooting at the rest of them until the survivors began to flee. A few foolish bystanders decided to fight back, and Spectre laughed uncontrollably as he killed them. His previous murders had been toil, but this was liberation. The fear exuding from the helpless civilians as they discovered that walls and locked doors were no barrier to Spectre was delicious. Perhaps this heady sensation was what Steelheart felt ruling Newcago. For the first time, Spectre felt the ambition to rule a city of his own. No more travelling along destroyed roads, no kill quotas necessary for his mental well being, just a city packed with human prey he could pick off at his leisure. Still grinning, Spectre began the trek to Babylon Restored, the closest populated city. Arriving in Babylon Restored, Spectre quickly found that claiming a city was far more difficult from merely staying in one. He couldn’t just murder a bunch of unpowered humans and leave, here he would have to defeat the more powerful Epics. The first one that he encountered had what appeared to be one of Steelheart’s powers. His bullets bounced off her steel skin, and though she couldn’t hurt him while she was in that form, neither was Spectre able to defeat her. He needed something he hadn’t had since Newcago; allies. Fortunately, Spectre was able to find other disaffected Epics and human pawns who were only too willing to help him wrest the city away from the fools who spoke of democracy. Spectre and his new accomplices slaughtered them effortlessly, drawing sustenance from their fear and panic. Finally, the moment came when the last Democrat could be killed, and the Steel Epic left vulnerable. Soon, Spectre could begin culling the population of Babylon Restored, as was his right as a High Epic. Megasif, Stink.
  7. I will vote for Megasif as well. Stink, Gancho, and Megasif were in the Dining Room with Shqueeves last cycle when he died. I do believe Gancho's use of poison when and how he did suggests that he's a villager. I'm also inclined to view Stink's request to have a room to himself as village indicative, because doing so as an elim would cut down on the number of people available to make kills without providing much in the way of benefit. Perhaps an elim phaser would request this, but Stink is unlikely to be a phaser, as phasing would cause him to lose his mobile, exposing him if anyone tried to PM him back. That leaves Megasif as the most likely killer, unless an elim phaser came into the Dining Room. Looking at the list of players without known powers, the possible phasers who weren't in the Dining Room last cycle are Droughtbringer, Mr Doctor, and me. One of the former two almost certainly possesses Sart's mobile, probably Droughtbringer seeing as how Mr Doctor apparently forgot about the mobile. Droughtbringer wouldn't be able to phase without losing his mobile, which makes the likeliest scenarios: Mr Doctor is an elim phaser or Megasif was the one to submit the kill. If Mr Doctor was an elim phaser, he easily could have killed someone cycle two, as he was online for rollover and would have been able to target whoever he wanted. That narrows the probable possibilities down to one; that Megasif killed Shqueeves and is thus evil.
  8. The rules do specifically account for the possibility of an elim making a kill with an item, so I wouldn't say it's too unbalanced, especially if there's a small elim team or one with otherwise weak roles. We know Sart had a Mobile cycle 1, which he promptly dropped. BR confirmed that Sart didn't get his mobile back, so one of Xinoehp, Droughtbringer, or you must have picked it up. Xinoehp wasn't listed as having a mobile, which presumably means he either dropped it or, more likely, never got it. That means it's probable that either you or Droughtbringer received that mobile. Claiming a gun while quoting a post espousing the belief that the player with the gun is a villager is an interesting strategy. If you do have a gun, you really only have three choices; you can shoot me, you can abstain from using the gun, or you can drop the gun. Guns cannot target players in different rooms, and there would be no point in shooting CadCom as he's been poisoned, so I'm the only one you can shoot(other than yourself).
  9. Gancho would have known that he was the only viable suspect for poisoning CadCom, as Stink was confirmed to have a mobile. Gancho did vote for CadCom cycle 2, so it makes sense that Gancho would have chosen to poison CadCom over Stink. However, Gancho has been in the same room as CadCom the entire game, yet waited until cycle 4 to poison him. @Gancho Libre, why did you chose to use your poison when you did? The countdown clock is indeed frozen. Kidpen, Shqueeves, and Megasif were all in the Kitchen with Snipexe. Of the three, I believe Kidpen is the best lynch for this cycle. From his death, we should be able to determine whether the odd interaction between Kidpen and Gancho cycle one had any alignment indicative meaning, and whether Megasif's shifting the vote towards Xinoehp away from Kidpen and the elim victim stemmed from malicious intent.
  10. You were pinged because your profile indicated that you have been online within the past three hours, yet you hadn't posted since cycle 1. The three potential lynchees. Kidpen- Hasn't posted this cycle despite being active elsewhere. It's quite difficult to find their posts because of all the other threads they're involved in. Regrets lynching Coop, believes Sart is good, doesn't think Gancho's voting pattern makes him evil. Xinoehp- Hasn't really said anything other than checking in and noting that they're here. Voiced some suspicion of me, yet hasn't come back to elucidate. Seems similar to his usual style, though in previous games he's been more likely to back up suspicion with a vote, or at least place a vote on whoever was leading the lynch at that point. Snipexe- Checks in late cycle one. Claims that rollover is at a bad time, then is on close to rollover for cycles one and four. Opposes the suspicion of Crimsn enough to vote for the first player to suggest her being attacked was suspicious. Suggests lynching DeathClutch as a way to clear the Dining Room, then doesn't actually vote for him. If there's a Mind Control Epic, they don't seem to be interested in affecting the lynch results, so if I created a tie, it would probably stand. I left this far too late again, but I'll vote Xinoehp this cycle for diverging from his usual play style, and observe how the dynamics of having Kidpen, Snipexe, and Shqueeves in the same room plays out.
  11. I would like to sign up for the spec doc.
  12. Mr. Doctor from last cycle: The two groups of suspects (those around cycle 1 but not cycle 2 and the players who began in the kitchen) are separate, and I should have included a paragraph break between them. They're part of two different scenarios; the former being a hypothesis that the elim team was inactive cycle 2, which necessitates a phaser, and the latter supposing that the elim team was unable to reach a consensus regarding their target and then weren't around for rollover. Of the five survivors from the two lists, all of them except @Droughtbringer posted during cycle 3. Has @Gancho Libre played any games other than QF 32? If not, it seems hasty to assume that this is his normal play style. Vote Tally: Kidpen(1): Snipexe Xinoehp(2): CadCom, Megasif Snipexe(1): Gancho Libre All three of these players are on my suspect list, so I'll have to go back and look through their posts and interactions. I'll probably end up making yet another last hour vote.
  13. Deathclutch hasn't shown up at all since the game began, and is thus a fair candidate to be on a team of largely inactive elims. The players who posted cycle one when Crimsn was attacked but didn't participate cycle two when no kill occurred are Shqueeves, Droughtbringer, and Xinoehp. If the elim team is largely inactive, all three are reasonable candidates to have put in the kill on Crimsn except for the fact that none of them started in the kitchen, meaning they could only have attacked Crimsn if they were phasers. Of the players that did start in the kitchen and were in a position to attack Crimsn cycle 1, Kidpen and Itiah both posted close enough to rollover that they probably would have put in a kill if the rest of their team was inactive, while Snipexe posted about nine hours before rollover and might not have. @BrightnessRadiant, would it have been legal for Crimsn to attack herself? If so, that's another kitchen candidate who missed the end of cycle. Edit: Itiah died as a Democrat, so he definitely wasn't the one to attack Crimsn.
  14. I seem to have missed most of the cycle. Out of Megasif and Itiah, I believe the latter is more suspicious. Wanting to kill a potentially immortal villager seems a better reason than staying up late cycle one.
  15. Phasing is also an ability that grants immunity to all kills except the lynch, so long as the player with that ability phases every turn. An elim team with two members that can only be killed by the lynch seems overpowered, so they probably don't have both steel and phasing. As such, I won't vote for Crimsn unless there's more evidence then her role and the fact that she was attacked. I'm surprised that nobody moved. Last cycle, I received a message from Sart saying that he would be dropping his mobile in the Living Quarters. Seeing no reason Sart would message me exclusively, I assumed that other players had also been PM'd by Sart and might move to the Living Quarters for a chance to receive a mobile. At the very least, I would have expected Sart to move so that he wouldn't accidentally get his mobile back.
  16. If BR randomized starting roles and factions, as many GMs do, the fact that Shqueeves was an elim last game should have no bearing on his current alignment. Is there someone else you deem suspicious, now that there's an hour left in the cycle, Itiah?
  17. Despite having worked in Enforcement, Major Mauve was not a good detective. There had been no point in Steelheart's Newcago, where a person's legal status depended solely on their power and willingness to accept Steelheart's rule. Niceties like presumption of innocence were thrown out the window when it was so much easier to just forcibly silence all the troublemakers regardless of culpability. In Mauve's ten years as a member of Enforcement, seven of those spent as a sniper, the closest his Core had ever come to pursuing an investigation was when their fire Epic tortured the survivors of their raids for information. The days when such barbarity had served as legitimate interrogation techniques had passed, but its widespread use left Mauve uncertain of how to begin a proper investigation. I believe it would be best if we tried to keep the number of people in each room balanced. Doing so will tend to produce a lower number of suspects for each elim kill, although this benefit is mostly lost if the Rightful Rulers have someone who can phase, kill, then switch rooms again. It should also make things easier for the action and item scanners to investigate potential murderers.
  18. I will be Major Mauve, a former Enforcer in Steelheart's Newcago. Having narrowly escaped the massacre at Enforcement Headquarters by virtue of judicious cowardice, Mauve aimlessly wandered the eastern coastline of the Fractured States, trying his best to avoid Epics. Recently, he decided to stay in Babylon Restored for a few nights, and already regrets his decision. Does it require a full cycle's worth of actions to change rooms, either for the general room switch or the Epic phasing? I assume that regular room switching occurs after kills, such that players can't dodge kills by switching rooms. Are players that drop items eligible to randomly receive them at the start of the next cycle? Can items lost by phasing be picked up, or are they removed from the game?
  19. Apparently, Xinoehp was able to both get food and nullify my conversion of Crimsn cycle 6. I did not think that would be legal. We also could have converted Crimsn and won cycle 5, but I talked myself out of it. Ah well. At least this way, Fifth also won. @Domi in the Dark, @A Joe in the Bush, what did Hrathen do? If Meta is still alive, Hrathen evidently failed to kill him, which makes me confused as to what Hrathen's purpose was. Would Saolin have been able to kill Shaor if Saolin hadn't been a Wildman? Can you post the Hoed mantras for every player?
  20. Fifth. The path was clear. Lord Raoden, may his soul rest with the Overspirit, had shown them the way to a new Elantris, an Elantris unified by cooperation and harmony rather than pain and hunger. Karata had seen the truth of Raoden’s words, and had joined their cause willingly. Had she lived, her Children might even now be living lives of comparative luxury in the restored section of Elantris. Her Children had met the hand of friendship with the fist of hatred, and they had paid the price for their rejection. Scattered amongst the remaining gangs, their support dwindling, they were to be pitied. Baron Aanden had been tragically killed, his gang whittled away into obscurity. The Independents survived as they always had; subsisting on the barest morsels of edible substances. Ashertma had lived that way once, before Lord Raoden had come. He and his followers had shown her a new way of life, and Ashertma intended to share their teachings with each and every Elantrian. Only Shaor and her brutish Wildmen still stood in the way of Raoden’s grand vision. The remaining Spirits had tried to deal with the threat peacefully. Surely there was no need for further bloodshed. None of the Spirits had Raoden's charisma perhaps, but the efficacy of his methods would surely break through even the most stubborn resistance. Why would the Wildmen serve a leader that brought them nothing but violence and death, when they could be equal members of a community that provided food and safety for everyone? The Wildmen's selfish and cowardly attack on the Widow's trial had shown Ashertma that she had been mistaken. There could be no peace until Shaor was neutralized. Ashertma walked to the center of Elantris and bellowed, “Crimsn! This is your final warning. Surrender now, and tell your men to lay down their weapons. If you do so, you and your gang will be welcome in our new society. If not, we will be forced to remove you from power, with violence if necessary.” Ashertma turned to address the gathered crowd. “Fellow Elantrians! There is no need to be afraid. Lord Raoden has shown us the way to resist the pain that curses us all. His discovery of secret tunnels leading into Kae and his knowledge of agricultural techniques blesses us with more food than we’ve had since the Reod. In time, with your help we expect to be able to restore Elantris in its entirety.” Ashertma continued to speak, and for the first time, the Voice spoke audibly, its deep, resonant tone inserting itself into the pauses between Ashertma’s words. “My friends, Feast we stand now on the cusp of a new age. Throw off the chains of the past ten years, Indulge reject the false belief that our lives cannot be improved. Now is our chance to unite, Embrace The End and show the world that Elantris will rise again!
  21. This excerpt from the rules certainly seems to suggest that if the target fights back, both the Wildman and the target take damage. If my (unconfirmed) theory that a player protected by the bodyguard will still appear in the writeup as having been attacked is true, then it is possible for Crimsn to have survived an attack. I see that Crimsn has indeed claimed to have been protected, though I don't know how both Crimsn and her target would have ended up being protected. If Fifth had been converted on suspicion of being Karata, he would have been evil at the time he led the lynch on Shqueeves cycle 3, since the Shqueeves lynch and the Karata conversion both happened during the same cycle. It is possible that you've changed your mind since cycle five, where you stated a belief that Fifth was a villager at the time Shqueeves was lynched, but if so I'd like to hear why. I don't get the sense that Fifth and Itiah are both evil, not least because that would mean that four out the five original Children of Karata are evil, which means that if Fifth had been converted cycle six, (and Itiah is thus still a villager) there are now three Independent Spirits, which seems absurdly high. That means that if Fifth is a Spirit, he's Galladon/was converted cycle 4 or cycle 5. I feel the chances of this are good enough that I'm content to stick with my votes to kill both Fifth and Meta this cycle. That would mean that Spirit!Fifth asked Itiah to scan the Barons, but I don't see that as clearing Fifth, as it's entirely possible he planned all along to turn on Itiah after Bard flipped village. Depending on Fifth and Meta flip, we should be better able to clear/condemn the remaining Independents and Itiah.
  22. So the writeup suggests that the bodyguard protected an action. Doing so would cause the bodyguard and the person to take the action to be attacked, so both the bodyguard and the player whose action they blocked should have been listed in the writeup as having been attacked. That would mean that Kidpen cannot be the bodyguard, as he was not attacked. If Xino was the bodyguard, he shouldn't have been able to survive nullifying an action unless he's evil or has been healed, as I assume he wouldn't have been able to protect someone and get food simultaneously. I don't see how Crimsn could have either attacked me or protected someone as a bodyguard unless she's evil or been healed by the Barons, as she shouldn't have been able to survive an attack either. That means that the bodyguard is probably Alvron, who apparently also claimed they would attack me. Since neither Alvron nor Crimsn should then have been able to attack me, but I gained two levels of pain, something weird must have happened. I ended up going for food yesterday, so I managed to survive the dual attack, but I would like to know who attacked me and why. Unless Itiah can attack, in which case it could have been that Kidpen and Itiah attacked me, I don't see how this could have happened. @Jaddeth in the Bush, would someone who was protected from an attack by the bodyguard be listed as having been attacked? If so, things make more sense, as Xino or Crimsn could have attacked me and be listed as having survived an attack without actually taking damage. For this cycle, I would say that we shouldn't be lynching any original Wildman without proof of their guilt, and I don't particularly like the fact that Itiah is advocating for such. However, I do believe that there is at least one Independent Spirit, and my leading candidates are Fifth and Meta, as Drought and Walin were less active. I could see Fifth and Meta being on a team together, but only if either: one of them was converted after Fifth arranged for three Wildmen to attack Meta cycle five, or if they knew that not all the Wildmen would follow through. For right now, I'll vote Fifth for the lynch and vote for Hrathen to kill Meta.
  23. From what I can tell, we have Fifth saying he heard from Alv that three Wildmen planned to attack MetaTerminal, Alvron saying that two of those three decided to attack Steeldancer, and Meta saying that he was attacked twice. Those numbers don't add up, assuming I understand what people are saying correctly. That would mean that either someone is lying, or a Wildman attacked Meta without telling anyone about it. The Barons, including @ElephantEarwax, have not denied Fifth's claim that both Alvron and MetaTerminal were healed, so it does not appear that we'll be able to prove anything that way. Any Wildman who can clear this up is welcome to. If Itiah's scan results can be trusted, there are two Spirit Independents. That isn't guaranteed; by claiming two Independent Spirits, a converted Itiah would make it more likely that we keep killing Independents even if we find one traitor among them. I do believe there's at least one Independent Spirit though, most likely Galladon. Of the Independents, Drought and especially Walin have been inactive for large portions of the game; making them unlikely candidates for conversion, and I would expect Galladon to be more active if possible for them. That leads me to believe that the two supposed Spirits are among Bard, Meta, and Fifth. The lynch on Bard appears to be solid, so unless something changes I'll go for him this cycle and let the Wildmen deal with the other two. As an original Child of Karata, it would take three attacks to kill Fifth, while fewer attacks would be needed to kill Meta unless he's healed again, by the Barons or by the Widow's Trial event.
  24. I'm going to tag @Alvron here. As this is the second time @MetaTerminal has survived an attack, which as an Independent he shouldn't have been able to do, I'll ask him the same question. Can any Barons confirm that either of these two were healed? Alvron could have been healed during any cycle, while MetaTerminal would have had to be healed either during cycle 4 or cycle 5. The Bard lynch didn't seem to have any justification besides the fact that he was the only player other than CadCom who had received any votes. Nobody who voted for Bard seemed to believe that he was evil; just that they didn't want CadCom to die for reasons that were never really explained. At the time we had a theory that Galladon was an Independent, but we knew for certain that there was one Spirit among the Wildmen, and CadCom was the most suspicious of the publicly known Wildmen. My vote didn't actually accomplish anything, and doesn't even appear in the vote tally. I could just have easily not voted and let him die, but I felt he deserved to know why I was willing to lynch him over Bard. Presumably, if Lopen had been the bodyguard we would have learned that when Lopen died, as Steel was revealed as Dahad upon his death. Also, why do you say that the Spirits would have no conversions left if there are currently four of them? They can convert 3-6 players, and four current Spirits would imply they've used up four conversions.
  25. Well now there is opposition to the CadCom lynch. I don't really see the Bard lynch though. Fifth mentioned feeling that the tone of Bard's posts were off, and Bard was a little too eager to have the faction lists posted, but most of the votes against Bard appear to have been cast because he was the only viable alternative to CadCom. I'm not seeing the evidence for being a villager that Lopen and Crimsn appear to be noticing. Admittedly, most of my reasoning for suspecting CadCom is tonal, mostly where he sounds too sure of how many converts the Spirits have. I also don't like how he's been setting up people to be lynched for their votes, such as when he cast suspicion on everyone voting for Straw, Sart, or a GM cycle 2, and now where it appears he wants to cast suspicion on those who cleared him. Furthermore, voting for Bard at this point would cause a tie, which is not really a desirable result. I will therefore be voting for Cadmium Compounder.
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