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I think the answer is simpler. The island that later became Thaylen city was once a Rosharan equivalent of a hippy colony. After a particularly moving concert where a long eyebrowed Thaylen set his flute on fire, the Thaylen counterculture decided to live communaly, and a natural outgrowth of there anti-establishment worldview was wild, unkempt and ridiculously long eyebrows. And just like how the hippies of the 60's turned into the yuppies of the 80's and 90's, the once anti-establishment long-eyebrowed Thaylen radicals became the establishment. From moltav cocktail throwing dissidents to Manhattan swilling effetes, the progression is innate, like Hegel's dialectic of history. They really were doomed to become long browed merchants the first time a young Thaylen girl didn't pluck her brows and decided to not wear a bra, time is arrow always pointing forward.

Rad, I think this WoB is a pretty compelling confirmation of your theory Calderis. P=W/t, W=F *d, and F=m*a. So P=(m*a*d)/t. If Kaladin's mass is approximately equal to the mass of one of the fused, and given the fact that Brandon says that Kaladin will lose in a race given a large enough distance, the one variable that is different between the burning of stormlight and voidlight is the acceleration. So if we assume (and rightly so I think) that the Power derived from the burning of stormlight and voidlight is equivalent, the only explanation that fits is that the burning of stormlight produces more energy but is also shorter in duration.

I love Brandon Sanderson's work, but I hate White Sand volume 2. I am a cartoonist, and I have to say, this is the crappiest graphic novel I have ever read. If you disagree, leave now, highly opinionated vitriol follows. I loved the prose version of White Sand, it wasn't Brandon's best work, but I didn't expect it to be. But holy crap, I suffered through volume 1 of this monstrosity, with it's horrible art and truncated nonsensical dialog, but really to expect us to buy 2 more volumes of this horrible crap, to get a watered down, insensible version of the prose story, who does he think we are? For reals? Dedicated fans that will sift through the weird combination of baroque/neoclassical/renassaince/pashtun imagery in order to find some small hint about something of the deeper cosmere,....Admittedly, that is the case, but never before did dedication to a greater goal come at so high a cost. I hate this book, but I am compelled by forces greater than myself to read it, which makes me hate reading this particular book even more. I am a fan of graphic novels, but this is NOT a good graphic novel. Firstly, you shouldn't have a graphic novel where the major hinges of the plot are political and require book length sections of dialog. I'm an illustrator and I know that kind of thing is torture to draw. How many different angry expressions of the interlocutors can you draw before people get tired of the idea that the people who are talking are not happy about what they are talking about. This is totally general criticism of the whole series, but let me get into some of the specific criticism of this particular volume (volume 1 shares a lot of the same faults, but I will limit myself to criticism of the 2nd volume). Brandon said in Arcanum Unbounded that sand mastery lends itself to the graphic novel format. This would be true if sand mastery wasn't depicted as Flying with a crappy swirly line around Kenton and some little "magical" plus signs. I agree that sand mastery would be awesome if properly depicted in the graphic novel, unfortunately it's one of the weakest parts in the prose version as well. It's a magic system kind of specifically set up to make the sand masters look like egotistical jerky show-offs. It works far better in the prose version, they all seem like jerks. What is unforgivable in Vol. 2 is that the illustrator has seemed to have given up on depicting the actual sand, instead he just draws a glow around Kenton and some magical looking plus signs which indicate that some magic stuff is happening. Scratchy line drawings: The characters are not cohesive. Kenton looks 10 years older or younger from panel to panel, this is poor execution. The illustrator is using an aesthetic dodge, the reason the lines are so scratchy and hard to distinguish is because the illustrator is unwilling to commit to a specific presentation. His backgrounds (especially the natural environments) are awesome, but he gets less sure the closer the "camera" gets to the subject. Panel division: This is so poorly done, it is consistent from volume 1 to 2, but why divide the page up like that? It doesn' add anything to the narrative. It doesn't look good, it just makes the reading order of panels unnecessarily hard to determine. It seems like it's done as a further attempt to hide the fact that the illustrator is unable to create anything intrinsically compelling. What the heck, this is ridiculous? Ok, so this is going to be admittedly the biggest entry in this bulleted list, because it is going to have examples (spoilered so you don't have to look at them if you don't want to): A-Delius? What the crap is this depiction supposed to signify??????? This is one of the worst drawn characters I have ever seen. He is eating his wine like a pig at a trough! B-Sand mastery visualized — I bet Brandon had no idea that the grace and majesty of sand mastery would end up looking like this. Very rarely are ribbons of sand depicted, it's more of a magical nimbus of light with little magical plus signs to show spooky action of sand mastery. C-Continuity, continuity, continuity. This illustrator, not content to represent the lossandians as straddling merely three different eras (classical greece in the Diem, Loius the XIV's France in the Admiral's quarters and Florence from the Italian Renaissance in the Artisan's quarters), also unfortunately decided to be free and loose with the simple particulars of a given scene (like the one spoilered below where Ais kils the Kerztian assassin). She fires all five of her arrows at the Kertzian assassin at point blank range, but how they are depicted embedded in the head of the assassin doesn't make any sense, he looks like a pincushion. He has arrows in both temples, one up his nose and an arrow in each eye! How the arrows are arranged it looks like he was hit by 5 different archers from five different positions. Brandon writes incredibly cinematically, his prose visualizations would lend themselves quite well to the graphic novel form, but he should write specifically for the medium not have some other people try to shoe horn a complex political dialog packed thriller into this format. Sorry about the above rant, I don't usually like tearing things apart like this, but I needed to vent because I am compelled to read the entire Volume of this travesty (though it pains me deeply to do so). If I didn't care so much about the content of the book I would have stopped reading this volume after the 2nd page. Not looking forward to volume 3 at all, hopefully the illustrator that finished Volume 2 will be back to do all of Volume 3, his artwork, while not perfect, at least has the continuity down and the weird era straddling backgrounds are toned down substantially.

Actually, I was just joshing with all y'all. I can set my verbosity filter to low, i just have to use more metaphors. What that paraphrased WoB is saying is that there is something that is similar to how all of those species of life were set up, it's a baked in characteristic that they can interbreed, but it doesn't say that the forms of life mentioned were created by adonalsium, it is merely saying that there is an underlying intent that is common to all of the listed species. This is like saying that adonalsium created a rule that only species with no hair behind their knees could interbreed. Sorry capuchin monkeys, you are quite charming but you'll have to find a hairier date to take to the Sadie Hopkins dance. The most important part of that WoB is that the listed species (humans, parshendi and aimians) were made "purposefully". This doesn't mean that they were necessarily made by Adonalsium. This is one of those treadmill WoB's where you realize that what you thought was forward motion was really just walking in place. This, I think, is an information poor WoB. This is, as I like to classify these things, is what could be termed a WoBfuscation, a deliberate attempt to provide information that neither clarifies or disambiguates. It's end neutral. As you can see by the above, I was totally lying about being able to adjust my verbosity filter, but I hope the above was edifying and/or diverting.

To set the verbosity filter to medium: This WoB doesn't necessarily preclude the creation of a new species of life capable of interbreeding with the existent life, it just suggests that there is a pre-defined norm for how this interbrreding is accomplished. The baseline parameters are set, so as long as life created by the shards fulfills these baseline parameters the newly created life can interbreed with existent lifeforms in the cosmere. Actually, I think I can't change my verbosity filter, but I hope this somewhat clarifies the point I am trying to make.

@Calderis brevity is the soul of Hoid, err I mean wit. I agree, I don't know if you ever played any of the old school infocom text adventures like planetfall, but my verbosity setting defaults to high. Yours is at the much more readable setting of medium. I am going to come back to this topic with verbosity cranked to 11 after I finish my full mistborn re-read (paying special attention to Sazed's comparative religion monologues).

@RShara I saw this WoB, and I think this refers more to the superset of sapient cosmere species. One of the traits that is common to all higher lifeforms (with the possible exception of the Dysian Aimians) is the ability to interbreed. The WoB is paraphrased, but as it's written it seems to be saying that there is, like in object oriented program, a superclass> sapient being, that the sub class derived from this superclass inherits the ability to breed with any member of this superclass. This seems like a base parameter that was set up by Adonalsium for how the cosmere works, but within this framework I think the shards were able to create according to this template (like the humans on Scadrial) or separate from this template (I really do think the Dysians are an outlier, whether they were willfully created or are another instance of coalesced investiture acquiring sapience through mere concentration of investiture remains to be seen). I'm excited to see Brandon's answer to my Aimian question when my personalized books come in.

Doh, have been offline for awhile, forgive the double post. Buy, Nuralik knows that they'd need a pro to help them, probably scaring off all the fish with those hideous masks. Harmony will intervene on Roshar to preserve balance with the end result that the chasm fiends will begin eating their own tails.

Buy, hopefully she would have something have something to say about voidbinding that isn't just an elaborate semantically hard to follow shoulder shrug. Rall Elorim is known as the city of shadows because Threnodite shades have somehow transitioned there.

@RShara, rad, rad and rad. No wiggle room there, Eshonai R.I.P. I've been getting some of my ridiculous backlog of work done, so I've been offline. Working on diagrams of reverser pairing fabrials doesn't pay the bills (unfortunate that). I'm re-reading Mistborn right now during my down time, and taking notes. I'll be back when the bills are paid.

Sell. Felt is the worldhopping Kandra.

Really nice post @galendo, here are a couple of possible explanations for some of the weird items you bring up: What explains this? Are hungerspren more of Odium so Sja-Anat doesn't feel the need to corrupt them? Were hungerspren corrupted en masse during some previous Desolation, so that all the present-day "normal" hungerspren are actually the corrupted form of some prior version? There probably isn't enough information to tell what's going on yet, but maybe someone has ideas. So when Shallan and Co first get to Kholinar Shallan observes some hungerspren around a refuge that didn't look any different, and she mentions this in chapter 62 as she is doing her unusual research to summon pain and shame spren to study what the corrupted spren look like. But later, in chapter 72 after Veil's infiltration of Brightness Nananav's mansion of Rockfall to steal food to buy her way into the Heart of the Revel she makes the following observation: Normal uncorrupted hungerspren look like brown flies that flit around the hungry person, the hungerspren that Veil sees after the Rockfall infiltration are corrupted. I think this shows that the corruption of spren (or at least certain categories of spren) is a willful and intentional act by Sja-anat and not simply an area effect (like the thrill). The fact that corrupted pain, shame, and anticipation spren were seen when Shallan and Co first arrived at Kholinar but hungerspren were unaffected shows that at the least Sja-anat can limit what spren are corrupted by her influence, and further I think it points strongly to the possibility that the Spren are corrupted by a willful act on Sja-anat's part. Also the quote seems to possibly imply that the corrupted spren might be responsible for an increase in the hunger being experienced by those that attracted them. This would be interesting because it would imply that Sja-anat's corruption of spren is instrumental, in that corrupted spren have an ability to affect the person/persons that are experiencing the emotion or effect that attracted the spren in the first place by augementing or warping the emotion/sensation/condition that attracts the spren. Pretty useful ability for the enemy spymaster to have. Odium is from Yolen rather than Ashyn and was born thousands of years before the exodus to Roshar, so he's not necessarily related to any particular group on Roshar on an ethnic basis. If you took a Rosharan to Scadrial, they'd probably say that a lot of people there 'look Shin' as well. That said, Tanavast and Cultivation apparently both have the epicanthic folds, or at least Dalinar doesn't comment on their appearance the way he does when he sees Rayse. There's definitely things going on with the Shin but I'm not sure we should take Rayse's appearance as an indication of what that could be, at least not just yet. Could be a coincidence. And we'll probably have to wait for Szeth's flashback book to really get into the details. In visions from Venli's PoV Odium appears to her as a Singer, still with the white gold scepter, so he does alter his appearance when appearing to different people. I get the sense that his appearance to Venli is the outlier and that he truly resembles a Shin because his spren are also described as looking shin-like. One possible explanation for why Tanavast and Cultivation don't look shin like is that they are Gods to the people of Roshar. The collective belief of sentient beings shapes the cognitive manifestation of things. Possibly, because of the long time that they both have been Gods to the people of Roshar, the self-perception of the vessel's in regards to their physical being has shifted so that they view themselves as looking closer in appearance to the majority of the population that worshiped and revered them. This would be an inversion of the God created man in his image, in this case Man made god appear to himself in man's image. But because Odium is not actually worshiped on Roshar and is not directly invested on Roshar, his self perceived identity hasn't been warped by collective belief. It's Hoid, it could easily be 'all of the above'. xD He's already a Lightweaver (albeit not the Rosharan variant at that point), he seems like he's going to become a Radiant at the end of the book and between his love of lies/his tenuous relationship with the truth and the fact that he's apparently got a crazy spiritweb (and is sort of timeless, in the way that spren are) he might well seem like a Cryptic or a spren more generally from Pattern's perspective. He even self-describes himself has having 'begun life as a concept, a thought'. He also says in that bit partially quoted that he "started out as words on a page". Hoid often says the simple truth of a fact in a way that sounds like he is being allegorical, when in actuality he is just telling a straightforward truth. The reason that it sounds like metaphoric hyperbole stems from the fact that he has led an unbelievably weird life. I think Pattern is saying that he is like a higher spen, in that Hoid seems like an idea that has been brought to life. Curiouser and Curiouser. So at first I thought she might have Renarin's spren, but this doesn't work because Renarin isn't even anywhere near Shallan at the time, so she certainly can't stop and ask Glys for advice on whether to use the Oathgate even if she were likely to trust a corrupted Radiant spren anyway, which seems doubtful. So who or what could Sja-Anat be referring to? It has to be someone nearby and who Shallan would find trustworthy. This could be referring to the corrupted Gloryspren that Shallan talks to in Shadesmar, who basically is an intermediary that Sja-anat uses to tell Shallan of her desire to defect. Or this could be referring to Renarin's corrupted spren (which I think is far more likely) and Sja-anat knows that there is a great likelihood that Shallan and Renarin will be reunited in the future. It's interesting to note that Sja-anat is able to speak through the corrupted gloryspren, directly into Shallan's mind from Kholinar while Shallan is at Riino's lighthouse. Here is the scene from Chapter 97: So there is a lot to unpack in that scene. The emphasis of the gloryspren landing on Shallan, might imply that touch between a corrupted spren and a person is necessary for Sja-anat to communicate through the corrupted spren. It also might imply that the additional possible effects (augmentation or warping of effect) of the corrupted spren would likewise need to be transmitted through touch. Another interesting bit is how Sja-anat slips between the plural prounoun of we and singular pronoun of I. She uses the plural pronoun when referring to the act of corrupting the Oathgate and the the singular when talking about how she lied to Odium and how she will see what she can do to help Shallan. Most likely this is because she needed Ashertmarn's help to corrupt the Oathgate, but this could also possibly support the hyphenated theory of increased sapience for the Unmade theory. Possibly the we is in reference to two constituent components of her identity that were created by a Herald breaking 2 times under torture in Damnation. I think this is pretty shaky proof (the Ashertman explanation seems a lot more plausible) but I thought I would just throw this out there.

Yes! Through the power of awakening it's finally possible to play a game of Dejarik, the 3d holographic chess game played on the millenium falcon. The pieces would have to be sculpted out of clay and repaired after each game, but I would definitely go to Shadesmar(t) to buy that.

This thread is based on a lot of analysis already done on the [OB] Flying ships thread, but since it's not a fabrial technology suitable for use to create flying ships, I think that it's best that this has it's own thread. Lots of thanks to @The One Who Connects for helping me formulate this all in a way that is clearer and that is true to the underlying physics (and man, he's a Powerpoint wizard, his PPT diagrams look amazing!) To analyze this in depth, I have come up with a standardized set of symbols that I'll be using to create diagrams to illustrate how I think these paired reverser fabrials work: We only have two known use cases for pairing reverser fabrials, namely the creation of an archery parapet that could be raised remotely and the use of conjoined reversers to raise archery pavilions for Roion's archers at the battle of Narak, both in WoR. By far the best description we have for how these pairing reversers work is the scene in Chapter 35 of WoR where Navani and her ardents are conducting tests to figure out how to use this technology to raise an archery parapet. The important excerpts of this scene are spoilered below (with emphasis added) and the sketch from Navani's notebook with the inworld diagram of the archery parapet setup is included as well.) Here is a diagram of the archery platform test where the forces at play in this paired reverser system are shown, descriptions of what is happening in each panel follows: Platform A (the blue one) is 1.5 times as massive as platform B (the pink one). The Force of gravity affecting both platforms is shown as the arrow next to each platform. Platform A is experiencing a Force towards the center of Roshar that is 1.5x greater than the force affecting Platform B. The pairing reverser fabrials are engaged. Platform A experiences the same Force from the acceleration due to gravity that it did in Panel 1, but in addition is now experiencing a Force directed away from the center of Roshar that is the same in magnitude as the Force that Platform B Experiences due to gravity. The result of the addition of these two diametrically opposite forces results in Platform A experiencing a Force directed towards the center of Roshar that is .5x the force of gravity affecting Platform B. Due to the fact that Platform A can't move further towards the center of the earth because's it's downward force is pushing against a much more massive object (namely Roshar), the extra force is absorbed by the platform in the form of mechanicl stress. Though Platform B is experiencing a net positive force upwards, it likewise cannot move because motion of the retardation of motion of Platform A. The net affect is no motion and mechanical stress on the reverser fabrials in both Platform A and B. After the support is rolled away, platform B continues to hang suspended in the air in it's previous position, but it's really suspended in the air because of the Inverted Force of Gravity of Platform A, and though it is experiencing a net positive thrust upwards, it's motion is limited in that direction because of platform A's inability to move down due the downward force being applied to the much more massive planetary body. So workers now grab the ropes that are connected to the suspended Platform B, and begin pulling exerting an additional downward force on Platform B that is greater in magnitude than the the upwards Conjoined Force of Gravity affecting platform B. This downward force from the ropes and pulleys is inverted and experienced as upward thrust for Platform A, which is likewise greater in magnitude than the downward Conjoined Force of Gravity affecting Platform A. The workers continue to pull the ropes, and the Force applied by the pulley system is still greater than the Conjoined Force of Gravity for both platforms, as Platform B is pulled down, Platform A rises. After Platform B is pulled down as far as it can go, A force of tension is applied to the ropes (by securing them to the ground) such that the force of tension offsets the Conjoined Force of Gravity and equilibrium is reached (though diametrically opposed forces are still being felt by the components of the system, the magnitude of the resultant combined forces is 0, so there is no motion). Just to look at another case where the same underlying principles are at play, here is another use case. This time the more massive platform, Platform A starts out on the support tower and the less massive Platform B will be the platform being raised: Panel 1 shows the Force of Gravity affecting Platform A (the blue one on the support tower) and platform B (the pink one on the ground) The pairing reverser fabrials are engaged and the Conjoined Force of Gravity affecting both of the platforms is shown. In this instance the Conjoined Force of Gravity for platform A is being directed down through the support tower, and through the support tower into the ground. The net effect is inability to move downwards, so the upwards motion of Platform B is likewise retarded. Also, Pulleys are attached to Platform A in preperation to wheel away the support tower. Tension is applied to both of the support lines through the pulley system to exert a force that balances the net downward Force of Platform A, and the support tower is wheeled away. The tension is released in the pulley lines, and platform A now only experiences the Conjoined Force of Gravity, and is pulled towards the center of Roshar. This force and motion is inverted for Platform B and it rises into the air. Another view of Platform A falling due to the Conjoined Force of Gravity and Platform B experiencing the inverted force and motion of Platform A. Eventually platform A reaches the ground, and it's Conjoined Force of Gravity is absorbed and turned into mechanical stress as it pushes against the surface of Roshar. Likewise Platform B comes to a stop as it's upward thrust is unable to be converted to motion because of the inability of Platform A to move. This case is like the scene at the battle of Narak where Navani uses large rocks, dropped into the chasms to raise the archery pavillions. The rocks dropped over the edge of the cliff most likely had paired reversers that were paired with a reverser at the open front side of the pavillion. As the rock drops down the chasm (most likely attached to ropes of specific length to arrest their motion when a drop that matches the height of the pavillion was reached) the conjoiners in the archery pavillion rise. If there are any pendular effects of the rocks swinging at the end of their tether, these would probably not be too great and would eventually come to a stable equilibrium rest position. Here's the text of the scene from WoR chapter 82, where the archery pavillions are raised: Just in case anyone else would like to use these diagram symbols, I've added a PPT file that has them. Looking forward to getting into some more of the more complex systems, but I have to get some work done too. If any one has an interesting thought experiment involving paired reversal fabrials, let me know what it is (and time permitting) I'll try and figure out how it might work and quite possibly make a diagram. Pairing fabrial Reversers Diagram Symbols.pptx

Honestly, yes? I think part of the problem is the perception, especially when it came to ASK and there seemed to be a cohesive mod opinion, and if you were against the opinion, you really had to watch yourself. (As others had stated, the Shardcast didn’t help with this perception.) I think I would have interpreted actions differently if I hadn’t known the opinions of the moderators. (I’m not saying this forum needs to go this way, and I don’t think it will, but since you asked…) @Dreamstorm, I thought your post was exceptionally well though out and agree with nearly everything you said except the bit quoted above. I hope you take this in the spirit it is intended, but it seems fundamentally wrong to me to request that some of Brandon's most dedicated fans should be restricted in sharing their opinions on a website that they setup and maintain without any monetary support form the users of that site. That's like asking the little red hen to gather the wheat, thresh the wheat, bake it into bread and then retire so that others can enjoy the fresh baked loaf of bread. The reason that these people are giving so much of their time to this is endeavor that is the 17th shard is that they feel passionate about these books. Further, I think there is a double standard at play in this, that in order to protect a certain group from the perception of bias, another group has to be silenced. This site, as I see it (with my rose tinted optimist glasses on), is like classical Alexandria under Ptolemy I, this is a place for discussions on the highest level, disagreements are inevitable, and the best use of energy of those regulating this environment of free discourse is in diffusing disagreements that are turning into personal attacks. This is a time when the sage advice of Atticus Finch from To Kill a Mockingbird would help. Try to imagine that you are an admin/moderator/arcanist of the 17th shard, why would you commit a large segment of your personal time to do largely unpleasant/repetitive/difficult work if you can't enjoy the fruits of your labor? Totally get that it's a bad feeling to feel like the amazing work you do is unappreciated, I wish that some of the really good analysis that was in the ASK thread had been pulled out so that I could have read it. I am really looking forward to reading some of these when they appear in a form that is less daunting (like I said in an earlier post I stayed away from the ASK thread because of it's size, but if these ideas were broken into smaller chunks I would love to read them). I've read your posts on other threads, you have a great voice and you have a very sharp analytical mind and I would love to read some more of your posts in the future. There are a lot of great posters that seemed to have confined their great content to the ASK thread, so I think going forward, it will better for everyone that they are posting in a way that more forum users will be exposed to their unique voices/awesome analysis.

Sell. The king's drop housing the Thrill will end up in Mraize's trophy collection.

And to the great sadness of mankind in general. The rest of your post, while not as titillating, is nonetheless edifying.

Kelek's breath, that's my favorite. I assume the Heralds don't often get a chance to brush their teeth when they are being tortured in Damnation, so I'm assuming he comes back with some pretty serious hell-itosis.

Granted Gancho. The only negative repercussion of this wish is that everyone has to tell him what a splendid guy he is. Everyday. Nicely done, the Nightwatcher is impressed, she had been trying to give the Lopen unlimited powers so the world would be a better place but the strictures of the old magic had heretofore prevented her from doing so. But because this was your wish, to achieve balance in the universe you are also given a very painful boil on your backside that makes it impossible for you to sit through the 3 hour speeches that the Lopen gives in celebration of his magnificence and magnanimity daily to an adoring crowd. From the standing room only section you still can and do applaud. I wish that mercury was non-toxic. It's such a cool freaking metal that it would be nice to be able to check out its properties first hand without fear of death or brain damage.

Short sell that position, I personally would stand to make a lot of money when people realize Sja-anat is actually a double agent and begin selling at a loss. The Nightwatcher is actually Chemoarish and Cultivation is trying to tame her. This is totally a start up position with high growth potential. Get in on the ground floor of this ridiculously low probability theory and reap the rewards when it turns out to true.

I really like this lead in, and your member title is awesome. But I do have one question based on this: Shouldn't your member title be lightning/death's unholy offspring? Totally kidding, I think your points are really good, why people participate in a debate is central to why they might feel marginalized/attacked, and I think your breakdown is really insightful. I really just wanted to reply because I liked the bits I quoted a lot. Funny stuff.

Sell...for a lot of money to the right buyer... It turns out Cultivation's god metal is chull dung, who would of thunk it?

I thought Odium had cornered the Futures market, but buy, buy, buy. It turns out Herdazians have gem nails and not gem hearts, they can bond lesser spren in their nails. The Alethi are very jealous.

You're totally right, the text doesn't lie. I guess, based on what a dervish of awesomeness she was at the end of OB, I edited that memory. Edit the sad parts right, everything's better when you remember it because you are constantly modifying memory by just retrieving it. Really, it's hard to imagine Jasnah non-plussed (in the perturbed sense). Like everyone here I am dying to get more Jasnah. Part of her mystique is how opaque and guarded she is. But when she steps out of her shell, holy crap, stand back or you'll get Amaramed! That scene was so amazing, and the totally in character self-recrimination that followed her losing her cool (even though amaram probably tinkled a little in fear) was so good. I'll probably be eating a lot more bran and wearing my pants quite a bit higher, but I look forward to when I can read about Jasnah's story in detail.

Bring it...(Kidding)