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I don't think that's what @Argent meant, actually. Rather that he preferred if you'd pick some interludes to make a thread about, instead of heaping them all together.

Isn't it stated though, that Glys doesn't know when or how his corruption happened, only that it was before bonding with Renarin? Edit: Ftr, I think you're very much right, was just wondering about this part.

Someone getting an own book means flashback sequences. I think the book itself will focus on someone else (not saying who because this is about Part 2 reactions).

NOOOOOO BRANDON! WHY ARE YOU MAKING US WAIIIIIIT?

I've personally decided to call the shard Passion except when we're talking about the shard as-being-held-by-Rayse, in which case I'll use Odium.

This sums up the book for me, to be honest. That was an extremely scary moment, and it made what came after only more glorious. (and the hundreds of gloryspren didn't hurt either for that)

I think that this one is actually the source of the others though. As we've seen in these WoBs, a Shard's holder can have a lasting influence on the exact goals of the Shard, as long as it aligns, in a way, with the Shard's Intent. This would explain why hate is so strong - Rayse was a loathsome, crafty and dangerous individual (which to me sounds like he's a bad guy that probably hates a lot of people/stuff) - and would, therefore, also explain Dalinar's perception of him. Additionally, a crafty individual would, by nature, attempt to plan things. And I don't think it's all that weird that he bails when he seems someone ascend to pick up a piece of Honor, when he thought he was finished with Honor. That's like "I killed you! How can you be here? This isn't supposed to be possible!" Also, not to derail my own thread, but I wondered wheter Rayse might have been the one that originally Shattered Adonalsium (or at least the one who convinced others to help him do it). We know that Adonalsium has an enemy, and maybe Rayse (again, a loathsome, crafty and dangerous person) was back then already working for that enemy. That would possibly also explain Trell, by the way, as maybe another Shard/Vessel that is also working with Adonalsium's enemy. Additionally, this might play a role in how much of Rayse (at least in my personal belief) can still be seen in Odium; Rayse might have a powerup from outside the Shard.

Probably because he likes seeing us squirm.

Brandon confirmed it, but it's also made clear by Maya's description in Shadesmar.

Isn't that photographic memory though?

I don't think it is as much Honor tempering the negative in Passion, however, as I think it will be Dalinar as Vessel doing so, just like how I believe Rayse magnifies the negative.

I loved how it [their relationship] was barely more than an offhand mention, nothing that required pages of discussion one way or the other.

I actually went ahead and made a thread on it. WoB (second WoB) seems to imply to me that the Vessel does, to a certain extent, get to direct the Shard even after a long time.

Let's be real. Odium wasn't what we expected. Yes, he was the bad guy and people had to fight him. But he also claimed to not simply be the Shard of hate, and if we assume that a Shard cannot lie when showing someone his 'true self' like he did with Dalinar (and I think that's a safe assumption) then indeed, he is not simply hate, but rather, as he himself also sees it, Passion. Caring. I still don't trust him one inch - even if only because we know Rayse was "among the most loathsome, crafty and dangerous indiviuals I [Hoid] had ever met". Sounds like a bad guy to me. What, however if this Shard were held by someone who can only be described as honest, caring and strong? Someone like, say, Dalinar. And the thing is - we've already seen something special from Dalinar. Something he did in Thaylen City seems to have granted him a bit of Honor's power. At the very least, Odium Passion recognized something from Honor in there, and Dalinar managed to bring Honor's Perpendicularity there, even infusing all spheres. I personally believe that he has, in a way, ascended like Sazed has done. However, because Honor is splintered, he only ascended with one or maybe a couple of splinters, meaning he is nowhere near as powerful. But what if he starts gathering splinters, building up more and more power and - in the process - making Honor whole again with him as the Vessel? We know, after all, that a splintered Shard can be mended. So what if Dalinar were to restore Honor this way, and then, maybe through help from the Knights Radiant, maybe with help from Cultivation, or something else, manages to defeat Rayse (not Passion, but Rayse) and then pick up Passion himself? We'd have a shard of Honor and Passion, which I think would be a Shard that would do well as the god of a world and which would align pretty well with who Dalinar is right now already. And one last thing, Cultivation's holder is still alive, but what if she were to somehow die (maybe to kill Rayse?), and Dalinar would pick up Cultivation as well? Not only would we have a god with Honor and Passion, but also Cultivation. I don't know what we'd call that shard, but I do think that it would make for a 'god' that I wouldn't mind governing my world. Not only honorable and passionate, but also cultivating the world to make it better. Let's call the shard Guidance.

The thing is, Odium is more than just hate. That's the big Cosmere twist we've seen in this book. We assumed it was hate (which honestly was what we were told in-universe), but that was because the Shard's intent is filtered through Rayse's personality, which wasn't the nicest. Additionally, even when we still assumed that Odium was pure hate, people already theorized that an Honor+Odium shard would be "Justice", as someone who hates those who are dishonorable. Knowing that the Shard's Intent is not simply hate but rather Passion, however, and simply interpreted in a bad way because of who is holding it, it may not be as destructive as it looks to us. I would argue that someone like Dalinar, who is pretty strong-willed (let's be real...) and also holding Honor and Cultivation would be able to interpret Passion in a good way. EDIT: From the First Letter, on Rayse: "Rayse, on the other hand, was among the most loathsome, crafty, and dangerous indivisuals I had ever met."

I think it's as simple as "he ascended but only had a fraction of a full Shard's power to ascend with because Honor is shattered".

"What? Now? I was saving that for a dramatic moment!"

What of that "Odium is Invested in stone" theory? I don't know it well (don't think I've actually seen more of it than the title), but could it have anything to do with it?

Let's be real though, there's no way Dalinar has taken up Honor fully. For one, we've seen what that's like in Mistborn - you basically stop using your physical body and instead become a near-omniscient being that can see everything that happens on the planet and can effortlessly make huge changes like the radius of the planet's orbit - Dalinar would've obliterated that pityful army Odium had if he had received all of Honor's power. I think that a much better way to describe it would be that Dalinar has taken up some Splinters of Honor. He'll probably take up more and more though, until at some point indeed he is Honor. As for Sazed, the question is probably "how long does it take before an Intent overrides the Vessel?" I saw some speculation somewhere today that Honor changed before the Recreance because the Intent finally fully overrided Tanavast's will. That would mean it takes thousands of years. EDIT: Ninja'd by @Pattern Edit: Gonna continue for a bit though... What if someone were to take up all three of Honor, Cultivation and Passion (Odium)? We'd have an honorable, passionate Shard aiming for the growth of the people on the planet... That's a god I could personally live with.

Someone help me out. I've heard about the False Desolation before, but I cannot find any information about it, not even on google (the literally only hit I got was this thread).

Bondsmiths could never bind Honor. But yeah, he seems to be a small part of Honor now. Nowhere near in power, but it's a start in undoing the Splintering, I would argue.

Help me out. Is one of those two what we call the Thrill?

This theory kinda gets taken down by Stormlight Archive taking place (almost) concurrently with Mistborn Era 2.

I repeat, deaths don't happen when they make nice breaking points for the plot. They may happen at the worst possible moment no matter what way you look at it. A piece of advice: Don't read A Song of Ice and Fire.

Harmony (Mistborn spoilers): Taln will appear later in this book.